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August 12, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
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I wrote this article. I was amazed at data revealed by Peter R in his post. And I'm wondering if anyone sees it differently.

Do people focus too much on anything they perceive as new? Is it all just a game between speculators and the resulting bag holders?

Do you personally care about actual use, or are you only in this for the daytrading?

I'm obviously biased in favour of Bitmark since I'm involved in the project, but I'm more interested in discussing the concept in general. This doesn't have to be about Bitmark at all.



From: http://bitmarknews.com/2014/08/12/why-bitmark-will-be-important/

I came across an interesting post by Peter R on the Bitcointalk forums that really helped put Project Bitmark into perspective for me.

The people who use the currency drive it's price tag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg6025866#msg6025866

Quote from: Peter R
The plot confirms for me that the value of bitcoin comes from the network of people who use it.  If we keep finding new ways to use bitcoin, the rest will take care of itself.

This might seem obvious to some people. But seeing data to back up what you've been thinking is always nice. And confirming that we've been focusing on the right thing from the start makes what we're doing with Project Bitmark even more important.

Most, if not all, cryptocurrencies that have emerged this year have focused on developing novel technology that differentiates themselves from Bitcoin. Anonymity, Proof of Stake, exotic Proof of Work algorithms. These are all real technological improvements that have been achieved to varying levels of success so far in 2014. Their value proposition is that they are "better" than Bitcoin. But people seem to be forgetting what makes a currency a currency is the people using it. And making it fun and easy to use is what motivates people to actually adopt a currency and spend it. Not as just an investment, but as money.

A currency focused on adoption is more likely to succeed in the long term than one that focuses on the latest trend on Bitcointalk. Giving people an easy way to use their money is the most important thing that enables a technology to be adopted as an actual currency with utility. Other additional technology that proves useful to that end can be adapted for use when it's proved to be both stable and useful. That should come after, not before, giving people something they can spend. People will continue to pioneer these emerging technologies, and once they have proven themselves, they can be integrated into Project Bitmark. But only if they actually provide value.

The priority of Project Bitmark is to create a technologically stable, easy to use, daily use currency. And that's the focus of our effort. The proof that providing value in that way also happens to also provide price tag value is illustrated in Peter R's chart. Knowing this helps since it enables people to be comfortable in the fact that supporting, growing, and helping Bitmark do what it set out to do will provide real financial benefit. Knowing that you're on the right path, and that you'll be rewarded for it helps toughen resolve.

I want Project Bitmark to be the first alternative to Bitcoin that actually drives toward creating a real large scale network effect driven by actual use of Bitmark as currency. In my opinion Dogecoin has been the only currency thus far that actually put in an effort and flirted with the idea. But they focused on building a community around Dogecoin itself, while we focus on bringing Bitmark and Marking to existing communities instead. Showing people something that provides value and can be adopted by millions of communities that exist already is, in my opinion, a much better strategy than trying to recruit people into a specific subculture based around a meme. It's not that they did anything wrong, their community sprung up organically and will continue to exist indefinitely. But by providing the tools for people to build their own communities(Discourse + Marking being one example) we can spawn thousands of organic communities rather than just one.

It's still very important that we continue to reach out and continue to build our own core Bitmark community. We need more people participating on all levels. Development, design, any value anyone can provide is greatly appreciated. Even just being interested and following the project is valuable. But the core cryptocurrency enthusiasts that surround us are not going to be what defines Bitmark. That will be up to the people who see the value in it and adopt it. People will define the use of Marks in anyway they see fit. Payment, reputation, tipping, content filtering, anything you can imagine. Marking can be used in a infinite amount of ways. It solves lots of problems and breaks down barriers that exist on the web today. People don't have to be into Bitcoin, or be an altcoin trader to use Marks on their favorite website. But the door will be open to them if they decide they are interested and want to learn more.

So if you're new to Project Bitmark, or you've been here from the start and wonder if adoption really is the most important thing a currency should focus on, the proof is there with Bitcoin. Bitcoin has yet to have a real competitor when it comes to competing against it as a currency. Every time a new store takes Bitcoin, that's a new store that now has the technology in place to accept Bitmark as well. And we can find out what their problems are and solve them directly with Bitmark. Give them another alternative and tailor our value proposition to them. Bitcoin is clearing the path and making it easier for us. We're in a very good position to take advantage of that.

 

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August 12, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
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No one interested in discussing adoption or lack there of? Tongue

Does anyone here believe that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives at all?
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August 14, 2014, 10:59:08 PM
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I ve read the article on bitmarknews 1 or 2 days ago . Thumbs up!
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August 14, 2014, 11:55:56 PM
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I agree that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives, but in order to do this I feel it needs:

1. Be easy to use
2. Secure
3. Transactions need to be instant (6 sec's or less) and this has to be natively built-in, no third party stuff.
3. Mobile, needs to be mobile, use it on phones and tablets.
4. Bloat free, a user shouldn't have to wait hrs to sync with chain.
5. Price stability, no big swings let we have seen with BTC.
That's what it will take for your co-worker, neighbour, spouse to use it.
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August 16, 2014, 09:46:58 AM
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I agree that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives, but in order to do this I feel it needs:

1. Be easy to use
2. Secure
3. Transactions need to be instant (6 sec's or less) and this has to be natively built-in, no third party stuff.
3. Mobile, needs to be mobile, use it on phones and tablets.
4. Bloat free, a user shouldn't have to wait hrs to sync with chain.
5. Price stability, no big swings let we have seen with BTC.
That's what it will take for your co-worker, neighbour, spouse to use it.

Project Bitmark's 'Marking' initnisitive mentioned in the article should cover 1-4. Although 2 is not guaranteed but since it's meant for mircotransactions and microtrust it should be less of an issue and a lot of thought is currently being put in regarding how to maximize security on all fronts.

Number 5 is a tricky one since it's not really possible to control the market. I think time, volume, and market cap are the only things that can really calm the volatility inherent in these type of assets.

I want to know about other projects that are attempting to tackle these issues.

Is there anything in Bitcoin being developed? Circle perhaps? Anything else?
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August 23, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
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This most certainly needs a bump Smiley

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August 23, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
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No one interested in discussing adoption or lack there of? Tongue

Does anyone here believe that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives at all?

There are several phases when it come to adoption.

It needs the support of developers, miners and geek first before it ever get to the average consumer. And this part of the process usually take longer than 6 months.

And coin that passes this phase such as litecoin and dogecoin doesn't automatically mean the merchant and consumer will use it.

At this point, only bitcoin still reign supreme and the rest of altcoins should still considered pump and dump.
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August 23, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
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Does anyone here believe that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives at all?
That's what they are doing. There is some attention paid to Pow/PoS because that's what the security is founded upon, and it matters, but far more attention is paid to user-visible features.

You only mentioned one: anonymity. Well, anonymity and privacy are important, especially for coins that re-use addresses. Features like Nxt's asset exchange, digital goods store, arbitrary messaging: these are all new ways to use the coin, so they are exactly what Peter was asking for.

Except they aren't in Bitcoin, because Bitcoin development is moribund. Second generation coins like Nxt are designed to be extensible, to have new user-visible features added. That's another way in which core architecture matters.

Bitcoin: 1BrangfWu2YGJ8W6xNM7u66K4YNj2mie3t Nxt: NXT-XZQ9-GRW7-7STD-ES4DB
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August 23, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
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It's important, but often overlooked. Too much focus is on adoption by investors, rather than adoption by users.

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I am really new to the cryptocurrency world. It seems to me quite funny that new altcoins are appreciated for the method of their mining. It is like to debate if a new fiat currency can be printed on the ink jet or laser jet... And pumping and dumping at the exchanges is another crazy thing.

So, I agree 100% cryptocurrencies must focus on their usability for everydaylife. On the other hand I am not able to understand the concept of Bitmark (I read this http://bitcoinbarbie.com/project-bitmark/ and I am confused). Is there any explanation of this idea for idiots like me? :-) Some example: I like some article on the web and I want to like or "mark" him somehow with Bitmark. What should I do and what is the sense of it for me, for the publisher of the article and for the cryptocurrencies?
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YES! I've been looking to discuss the concept if adoption with someone who understands... This thread is exactly what I believe. Features can be so easily copied that adoption is everything. That's why I'm invested in aerocoin. They're number one focus is adoption. They copied anonsend and encrypted messenger to show the competency of the dev team (Which both function perfectly) BUT, their main focus is the development of AeroMe. It's a complete marketplace / has a payroll function / has an auction / has a loan service / has merchant services / this amazing concept of smart property. It's a complete system dedicated to one thing... Being adopted and used . It's doing what all these million dollar start ups are doing for bitcoin. Please read the white pages in my signature. I promise this isn't spam... I really believe that trying to be used by the main stream should be the goal of every alt, and that's exactly what aerocoin is doing. I'd love to discus this with you OP. I think adoption is absolutely everything.

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August 23, 2014, 04:23:43 PM
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AeroMe (complete marketplace) is slated to have a beta in two weeks. After the release they plan to market the fuck out of the concept to the masses, so the coin can get used. To me It will essentially function like an online store where you must buy coins to use the site, similar to gaming devices (like Xbox points). SO YOU WOULD HAVE EVERYDAY PEOPLE BUYIG AEROCOIN AND USING AEROCOIN. the holy grail of adoption!

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August 23, 2014, 04:43:40 PM
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No one interested in discussing adoption or lack there of? Tongue

Does anyone here believe that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives at all?

There are several phases when it come to adoption.

It needs the support of developers, miners and geek first before it ever get to the average consumer. And this part of the process usually take longer than 6 months.

And coin that passes this phase such as litecoin and dogecoin doesn't automatically mean the merchant and consumer will use it.

At this point, only bitcoin still reign supreme and the rest of altcoins should still considered pump and dump.

Support by the developers is key, yes, I agree. And the miners must secure the network for everything to function. And having a community of 'geeks' to support the coin and provide assistance helps as well. 6 months seems like a reasonable time frame for all this to come together. Mainly the development and all the work that goes in to that, but also the establishment of a community and places to communicate like message boards and such.

I agree with you when you say getting large like Litecoin and Dogecoin did does not automatically lead to merchant and consumer adoption. That takes an approach focused on meeting the needs of both parties. I don't feel that Litecoin or Dogecoin made much progress in this regard. Dogecoin focused on building an insular community, and was successful at that. But that's not something that leads to widespread adoption. Litecoin focused on adoption the first year or two that it came out. But the communities' efforts seem to have faded and they have become complaisant, save for a couple of people(TheMage in particular).

But I also think that focusing on adoption from the start and not waiting for investors to 'pump' up the price is a better strategy. It takes a long time and a lot of work to create things that both merchants and consumers want to use. Most people seem to think that comes later, but I think people should be focusing on it from the start.
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Does anyone here believe that crypto currencies should focus on people using them in their day to day lives at all?
That's what they are doing. There is some attention paid to Pow/PoS because that's what the security is founded upon, and it matters, but far more attention is paid to user-visible features.

You only mentioned one: anonymity. Well, anonymity and privacy are important, especially for coins that re-use addresses. Features like Nxt's asset exchange, digital goods store, arbitrary messaging: these are all new ways to use the coin, so they are exactly what Peter was asking for.

Except they aren't in Bitcoin, because Bitcoin development is moribund. Second generation coins like Nxt are designed to be extensible, to have new user-visible features added. That's another way in which core architecture matters.

From what I can tell very few currencies really focus on gaining widespread main stream adoption. But there are some that do we'll probably end up discussing which ones and what approaches they take in this thread as it develops.

I agree that anonymity is an important thing for many people, including myself. But for the average person who wants to use a currency online to order a book, or buy someone a beer by tipping their artwork that they just viewed on their website, anonymity is less important.

Yes, it's very difficult now for Bitcoin to add on new features and push any new development initiatives with the political situation that exists. That's why it's such a great time to be focused on building a competing currency that can rival if not overtake Bitcoin in adoption.
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I completely agree, bitcoin is too big to change, but alts have the opportunity to add great features.

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August 23, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
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YES! I've been looking to discuss the concept if adoption with someone who understands... This thread is exactly what I believe. Features can be so easily copied that adoption is everything. That's why I'm invested in aerocoin. They're number one focus is adoption. They copied anonsend and encrypted messenger to show the competency of the dev team (Which both function perfectly) BUT, their main focus is the development of AeroMe. It's a complete marketplace / has a payroll function / has an auction / has a loan service / has merchant services / this amazing concept of smart property. It's a complete system dedicated to one thing... Being adopted and used . It's doing what all these million dollar start ups are doing for bitcoin. Please read the white pages in my signature. I promise this isn't spam... I really believe that trying to be used by the main stream should be the goal of every alt, and that's exactly what aerocoin is doing. I'd love to discus this with you OP. I think adoption is absolutely everything.
AeroMe (complete marketplace) is slated to have a beta in two weeks. After the release they plan to market the fuck out of the concept to the masses, so the coin can get used. To me It will essentially function like an online store where you must buy coins to use the site, similar to gaming devices (like Xbox points). SO YOU WOULD HAVE EVERYDAY PEOPLE BUYIG AEROCOIN AND USING AEROCOIN. the holy grail of adoption!

AeroMe sounds interesting. Reading the whitepaper in your sig now.
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August 23, 2014, 05:40:09 PM
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Honestly... What it is is marketable. And not just to the alt market. You can compete with bitcoin right away with AeroMe. You don't need much of a market share to get the coin to 10 bucks. It's currently trading for 1 penny right now...It has the functionality to allow easy use right away, and the marketing team just announced a sooner release date. It won't need speculation I can get regular people to buy and use it myself.

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August 23, 2014, 05:44:43 PM
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Adoption is definitely the most important thing, but part of the reason people focuss on the novel technological features is because they think that these new features will be what drives adoption of the coin.

Personally I like coins which have a purpose other than as a currency, whether that's asset exchanges, decentralized storage and other apps, smart contracts etc - because I think there is more reason for people to use these things than to use something which is meant purely as a form of money, because they offer novel advantages which people can't get elsewhere.
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August 23, 2014, 05:47:23 PM
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This anon tech is bullshit. It's an arms race, and it doesn't appeal to anyone but the paranoid. What's more marketable "hey we've got the most anonymous coin ever, no one will ever know what you're buying" OR "we have a complete market place WITH merchant services WITH auctions WITH loan services WITH payroll options WITH smart property WITH a decentralized exchange And oh yea, all the transactions can be anonymous" . Aerocoin is doing the latter. It's trying to get used. AeroMe.

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August 23, 2014, 05:54:36 PM
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Adoption is definitely the most important thing, but part of the reason people focuss on the novel technological features is because they think that these new features will be what drives adoption of the coin.

Personally I like coins which have a purpose other than as a currency, whether that's asset exchanges, decentralized storage and other apps, smart contracts etc - because I think there is more reason for people to use these things than to use something which is meant purely as a form of money, because they offer novel advantages which people can't get elsewhere.

Read the white paper in my signature. No spam. Not pushing you to buy. I just think Aerocoin is exactly what you're interested in. Marketable coin. The forum and alt lovers push anon tech because it's nerd Savvy, but most regular people don't care much.

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