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January 30, 2015, 07:10:17 PM |
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Drug laws are like nudity laws. They come from people who think they should decide how I should live. They make no sense at all. That is why I can watch 20 sadistic murders on TV each night while drunk to the point of death. But I can't smoke a harmless weed or see a nipple on TV. It's mind control and the freedom to explore new ideas could lead to change. OMG, not change!
They show nudity on TV in many western (non-US) countries, other than a premium cable channel that is. As far as I can tell, the difference is the Religious Right is absent in those countries to inflict their personal sense of shame and prudishness on an entire nation. |
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January 30, 2015, 07:13:01 PM |
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They should have death penalties in the united states, reduces the costs we need to pay for these criminals to stay alive, not contributing anything to the society and only taking away from it. Don't know why we are wasting tens of (hundreds for some prisons) thousands of dollars per year per inmate of tax money.
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January 30, 2015, 07:27:19 PM |
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They should have death penalties in the united states, reduces the costs we need to pay for these criminals to stay alive, not contributing anything to the society and only taking away from it. Don't know why we are wasting tens of (hundreds for some prisons) thousands of dollars per year per inmate of tax money.
If your opinion stems only from an economic argument, you might want to see these: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty, http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2014/05/01/considering-the-death-penalty-your-tax-dollars-at-work, and http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/20/california-death-penalty-execution-costs. Also, notice that in for-profit prisons, inmates are basically used as slave labor - sure it's not labor to enrich society at large, only the pockets of the fat cats.  [...] While the actual execution costs taxpayers fairly little (the drugs used in Texas run a mere $83), the costs associated with death penalty trials and the resulting incarceration are disproportionately higher. [...]
[...] To begin with, capital cases (those where the death penalty is a potential punishment) are more expensive and take much more time to resolve than non-capital cases. According to a study by the Kansas Judicial Council (downloads as a pdf), defending a death penalty case costs about four times as much as defending a case where the death penalty is not considered. In terms of costs, a report of the Washington State Bar Association found that death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense versus a similar case without the death penalty; that doesn’t take into account the cost of court personnel. Even when a trial wasn’t necessary (because of a guilty plea), those cases where the death penalty was sought still cost about twice as much as those where death was not sought. Citing Richard C. Dieter of the non-partisan Death Penalty Information Center, Fox News has reported that studies have “uniformly and conservatively shown that a death-penalty trial costs $1 million more than one in which prosecutors seek life without parole.”
And let’s not forget about appeals: in Idaho, the State Appellate Public Defenders office spent about 44 times more time on a typical death penalty appeal than on a life sentence appeal (downloads as a pdf): almost 8,000 hours per capital defendant compared to about 180 hours per non-death penalty defendant. New York state projected that the death penalty costs the state $1.8 million per case just through trial and initial appeal.
It costs more to house death penalty prisoners, as well. In Kansas, housing prisoners on death row costs more than twice as much per year ($49,380) as for prisoners in the general population ($24,690). In California, incarceration costs for death penalty prisoners totaled more than $1 billion from 1978 to 2011 (total costs outside of incarceration were another $3 billion). By the numbers, the annual cost of the death penalty in the state of California is $137 million compared to the cost of lifetime incarceration of $11.5 million. [...]
[...] The alternative to capital punishment – sentencing the most serious crimes to life in prison with no chance of parole – would by comparison be much cheaper. The authors calculate that every year California spends almost $200m more than it would were all death row inmates transferred on to life without parole. [...]
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January 30, 2015, 08:18:58 PM |
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They should have death penalties in the united states, reduces the costs we need to pay for these criminals to stay alive, not contributing anything to the society and only taking away from it. Don't know why we are wasting tens of (hundreds for some prisons) thousands of dollars per year per inmate of tax money.
Don't forget that they are providing something people want. It may not be for you, but every society does drugs. It could be a dangerous drug like alcohol or something less harmful like weed. It is even older than humanity. We do agree that prison for drug users is a waste though. |
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January 30, 2015, 09:44:03 PM |
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Sadly, OP is not a human.
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January 30, 2015, 09:54:31 PM |
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Sadly, OP is not a human.
Why is that mate , op is just copying from the internet what he read . He is giving his opinion like everyone else here and you should respect that . - madness |
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January 30, 2015, 10:04:11 PM |
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The execution in Indonesia of six death row prisoners early last Sunday, including five foreigners,
convicted of drug smuggling and the refusal by president Joko Widodo to grant clemency from the death penalty
for Myuran Sukumaran has cast into sharp relief his likely fate and that of fellow death row prisoner Andrew Chan.resource : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-21/kingsbury-death-row-a-tragic-lesson-for-australian-travellers/6028996I agree, drug smuggler must be punish and receive death penalty. But some of country , there are some controversy about death penalty as a punishment. So what do you think about it ? Is it right decision to punish them with death penalty or they deserve remission ? This is a total violation of human rights, the fact that you wish someone dead for drugs, disgusting..... Different country = different rules Rules evolved because in different countries there are different habits, different ways of life. |
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January 31, 2015, 03:54:11 AM |
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Different country = different rules
Rules evolved because in different countries there are different habits, different ways of life.
They smug about 8,3 kg HEROIN to bring out of BALI , for my law that were very very heavy weight. Because of that he must be heavily punish.
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January 31, 2015, 10:26:27 AM |
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Different country = different rules
Rules evolved because in different countries there are different habits, different ways of life.
They smug about 8,3 kg HEROIN to bring out of BALI , for my law that were very very heavy weight. Because of that he must be heavily punish.
Don't let our family close to these I think that you won't keep your family out of drugs because there are no drugs on the market. Never ever. You can kill all the actual trafficants, in no-time you will have new people taking their place. Please educate you childrens properly, don't ask the state to keep them out of troubles, because the state will fail miserably (and probably will end up with your sons in prison). |
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January 31, 2015, 11:06:52 AM |
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Curiosity, scepticism and to question everything is something which brings the world forward. If there were nothing like this, Bitcoin wouldn't exist. People still would believe that the earth may be flat and someone paints the stars at the sky.
Defending the death penalty, imho, means that there is a total lack of curiosity and scepticism. It is a total believe that the judical and political system always are right. Such a belief is the enemy of change.
Have you ever thought about how quick a law may change? What if your government would decide that persons involved in Bitcoin deserve death penalty because of "market places" like Silk Road? Would you cheer this?
However, there are two issues: Drugs and death penalty.
Death penalty doesn't change anything. People are killed in the USA. Has this any effect? No. Canada, for example, had the death penalty. Funny enough: Once it was abolished, the murder rate sunk. So making a correlation between death penalty and crime rate is utterly wrong. Beside this: A country prohibits killing and kills? Do you know how many people are being killed for political reasons, yet disguised as "crime". Or how many poor are killed for crimes, while rich people get away with just the same? Death penalty is unjust, unrevokable and whoever supports it also supports the fact that innocent may be killed - in their name. Unless you have a total believe in the judical and political system - just as many Nazis had.
Now regarding drugs: I don't take any - well, not true: I do smoke cigarettes and, from time to time, drink a glass of wine. Depending on where I live, this could put me in danger. It is a cultural question what is seen as drug and what not. In Switzerland, Absinth was put on a drug list for many years. If you do your research, you'll find out it wasn't because of the danger of Absinth, but because the producers of beer and wine were afraid to lose parts of the business.
In Europe, Cannabis was legal for many years, and in some parts of my country, farmers still smoke their "good night"-pipe every evening. Until about 100 years ago, Cannabis was sold in pharmacies - so was heroine, cocaine and a lot more. It was mainly a political reason why it was put on the prohibition list. And speaking about political reasons: Why do you wish the death penalty for drug traffickers but don't ask your government to do the same on the bankers who make a lot of money out of the proceedings? Why don't you ask for the death penalty for all the officers of the Indonesian army who are deeply involved into drug smuggling? Because they are the same who influcence the legal system which is sentencing people to death...
It is pure hypocrisy to support the death penalty for these guys and at the same time support the political, legal and judical system which is involved in drug trafficking.
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February 01, 2015, 06:59:01 AM |
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I agree, drug smuggler must be punish and receive death penalty.
dear izanagi, thank you very much for your opinions. Sincerely I appreciate it and value it very much. It's dear to my heart so thank you again for bringing this subject.  . yes, but you, simply. Normally I wouldn't have let you understand. But I don't know why, I love to know that you and your like will know. Why, it's like a wave, you can't stop it, only your defenses will be grinded, inch by inch until there is the path cleared (or flashed at once, what ever). What Path shall you ask. A path that can't be blocked, the path of life. Understand that I thank you for having felt in the trap, at the right time, at the right place...
This is a total violation of human rights, the fact that you wish someone dead for drugs, disgusting.....
Different country = different rules Rules evolved because in different countries there are different habits, different ways of life. Dear Furio, yes it's a total violation of the path of life. On this Earth there are only 2 country where I can understand a certain ban on certain usages of certain plants, Saudi Arabia, as the birth place of Islam, and China due to past internal problems. And dear justinetime, Deadlier Armies = weaker armies lifestyle is folded or annihilated. I have to go, on a shopping spree... me that thought that would be used only once  . what a fools... key word : preventive warfare - all plants are part of the creation - fight the plants, fight the keepers - you are just humans, the butterflies - you stayed, you assume. |
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February 01, 2015, 08:55:46 AM |
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Curiosity, scepticism and to question everything is something which brings the world forward. If there were nothing like this, Bitcoin wouldn't exist. People still would believe that the earth may be flat and someone paints the stars at the sky.
Defending the death penalty, imho, means that there is a total lack of curiosity and scepticism. It is a total believe that the judical and political system always are right. Such a belief is the enemy of change.
Have you ever thought about how quick a law may change? What if your government would decide that persons involved in Bitcoin deserve death penalty because of "market places" like Silk Road? Would you cheer this?
However, there are two issues: Drugs and death penalty.
Death penalty doesn't change anything. People are killed in the USA. Has this any effect? No. Canada, for example, had the death penalty. Funny enough: Once it was abolished, the murder rate sunk. So making a correlation between death penalty and crime rate is utterly wrong. Beside this: A country prohibits killing and kills? Do you know how many people are being killed for political reasons, yet disguised as "crime". Or how many poor are killed for crimes, while rich people get away with just the same? Death penalty is unjust, unrevokable and whoever supports it also supports the fact that innocent may be killed - in their name. Unless you have a total believe in the judical and political system - just as many Nazis had.
Now regarding drugs: I don't take any - well, not true: I do smoke cigarettes and, from time to time, drink a glass of wine. Depending on where I live, this could put me in danger. It is a cultural question what is seen as drug and what not. In Switzerland, Absinth was put on a drug list for many years. If you do your research, you'll find out it wasn't because of the danger of Absinth, but because the producers of beer and wine were afraid to lose parts of the business.
In Europe, Cannabis was legal for many years, and in some parts of my country, farmers still smoke their "good night"-pipe every evening. Until about 100 years ago, Cannabis was sold in pharmacies - so was heroine, cocaine and a lot more. It was mainly a political reason why it was put on the prohibition list. And speaking about political reasons: Why do you wish the death penalty for drug traffickers but don't ask your government to do the same on the bankers who make a lot of money out of the proceedings? Why don't you ask for the death penalty for all the officers of the Indonesian army who are deeply involved into drug smuggling? Because they are the same who influcence the legal system which is sentencing people to death...
It is pure hypocrisy to support the death penalty for these guys and at the same time support the political, legal and judical system which is involved in drug trafficking.
Someone with better english writing, explaining exactly my views on this.... |
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February 01, 2015, 11:41:45 AM |
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The execution in Indonesia of six death row prisoners early last Sunday, including five foreigners,
convicted of drug smuggling and the refusal by president Joko Widodo to grant clemency from the death penalty
for Myuran Sukumaran has cast into sharp relief his likely fate and that of fellow death row prisoner Andrew Chan.resource : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-21/kingsbury-death-row-a-tragic-lesson-for-australian-travellers/6028996I agree, drug smuggler must be punish and receive death penalty. But some of country , there are some controversy about death penalty as a punishment. So what do you think about it ? Is it right decision to punish them with death penalty or they deserve remission ? I think its totally messed up over the top law. The problem is not smuggling drugs, producing drugs etc. The problem is in the taking of drugs from people who dont know what they are doing. |
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