[CURRYPTO Public Issue #4] Traversing the DeepOnion

[currypto]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

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[DogeMajestic]

Thanks for posting
good additional read:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.0

[currypto]

Shit just got real; crypto-rainbow has deleted all my posts in his self-moderated thread!

I will paste them below:

Guys...hold onto your DeepOnion, but not for long. Some bad news coming up in the near future unfortunately.

I thought DeepOnion was the creation of hard-at-work developers. It's not. I have the exact commit DeepOnion was forked from, and the exact changes they've done, and even where they've pulled other code from. Sad I've spent about 7 hours investigating this, and although a pain...I think some people will thank me.

Obviously there is HUGE momentum right now for this rebrand-coin, and that's all people care about. And I don't expect it to stop even with evidence it's a rebrand-coin/make-me-money-coin, lol.

I retract my "keep up the good work". They are piggy-backing off of other's work so heavily.

Quote from: lijoe408 on Today at 03:23:12 AM
Interesting.  When do you plan on releasing this info? I remember the dev team said before that they took parts of several different projects and added their own piece.  Is it really a bad thing?  

Very soon, probably tomorrow. I am STILL working on it, just so I have covered my bases...I swear I will provide evidence and not just empty claims. Note I say hold onto your DeepOnion; I am not encouraging to sell. I think pure momentum alone will keep this coin pumping.

Uh, from the looks of it, they forked from Bitcoinplus (which the dev, crypto-rainbow, refused to tell me. This is an absolute I have figured out.), and taken code from Peercoin (ProofOfWorkReward, ProofOfStakeReward).

And that's it. There is nothing else. So for this guy's question...

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This is not first clone coins, and not the first developer who fork a code from a public source. whats the big deal? for as long the developer can improve the code base and add new feature it will always end up unique.

They didn't improve anything, nor add any features. The Tor functionality, and ProofOfWork/Stake were already present in BitcoinPlus. They didn't add anything except their branding.

Essentially you are saying if I copy DeepOnion, rebrand it as "Vault", and say it will have a whole list of features that DeepOnion already had, you would invest in it?

Then damn, I better get busy (kidding).

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Quote from: currypto on Today at 03:36:16 AM
Quote from: lijoe408 on Today at 03:23:12 AM
Interesting.  When do you plan on releasing this info? I remember the dev team said before that they took parts of several different projects and added their own piece.  Is it really a bad thing?  

Very soon, probably tomorrow. I am STILL working on it, just so I have covered my bases...I swear I will provide evidence and not just empty claims. Note I say hold onto your DeepOnion; I am not encouraging to sell. I think pure momentum alone will keep this coin pumping.

Uh, from the looks of it, they forked from Bitcoinplus (which the dev, crypto-rainbow, refused to tell me. This is an absolute I have figured out.), and taken code from Peercoin (ProofOfWorkReward, ProofOfStakeReward).

And that's it. There is nothing else. So for this guy's question...

This is not first clone coins, and not the first developer who fork a code from a public source. whats the big deal? for as long the developer can improve the code base and add new feature it will always end up unique.

They didn't improve anything, nor add any features. The Tor functionality, and ProofOfWork/Stake were already present in BitcoinPlus. They didn't add anything except their branding.

Essentially you are saying if I copy DeepOnion, rebrand it as "Vault", and say it will have a whole list of features that DeepOnion already had, you would invest in it?

Then damn, I better get busy (kidding).

I think you have very short-memories. See below the dev replied to your questions. He told you BitcoinPlus is one that they base.

From your email, it seems you only understand some surface thing. The pow/pos independent retarget algo come from where? do you find it in BitcoinPlus? The table-based pow/pos height ciomputation comes from where? do you find it in any other coins?

Man do a diff, and you'll find that there a lot things you don't understand in this coin.

Don't pretend to be an expert, from what you posted, it is clearly not.

from: crypto-rainbow on August 14, 2017, 07:58:57 PM

1. Is DeepOnion based off of another coin codebase?
>> The codebase of DeepOnion is from the tor integration coins such as KoreCoin/BitcoinPlus and others (there are a few variations of that).

2. If it is, which commit?
>> There's no commit from any other coin. All coins are open source. We maintain our own codebase.
In fact our codebase are different from any existing coins (not only on parameters, evidently, there are a lot of details, like separation of PoW/PoS etc.).  We will release other nice features and services in the future.

3. So DeepOnion nodes operator over Tor. Doesn't this mean IPs are somewhat visible, since we are connecting to each other, rather than a service?
>> No. You access Tor network through edge nodes, not through each other's nodes. This allow us a network level protection for our users.

4. So wouldn't it be possible to know who is running DeepOnion nodes via peerlist? Or is every DeepOnion node a hidden service?
>> Please read Tor introductions. The edge nodes are known, not inside though.

5. Is there legitimate proof or way to prove no premining has occurred?
>> There is premine, and it is stated very clearly in OP, for the purpose, distribution etc. We maintain the logs at this URL: https://deeponion.org/report.php?date=2017-08-11
Different airdrop days can be chosen from the link above. We will release more stats in the future.

6. When was this coin actually started? It was released in July (12th-ish) but I would like to know when it actually began development.
>> The development started a few months earlier by the dev team. Initial idea came about 3 years ago.  

7. Does DeepOnion support re-producible builds? If I build DeepOnion from source, will the binary be 1-for-1 with what you have released (considering I build from the same release version, of course).
>> Of course, it is open source. Many people built their own client. We support open source and we believe the privacy is a fundamental human right!

8. Why create DeepOnion, instead of setting up a Bitcoin node behind Tor?
>> Bitcoin is a big community, its development is slow and has many limitations (the recent Aug 1 event is just an example).
We create DeepOnion to explore different path to build a secure and untraceable coin. There are many techniques where bitcoin is just too big to explore.

All right, the defenders are coming out! This is good, and exactly what I aim for. Now we can get somewhere - thank you for actually adding to the conversation.

1. Yes, I did see exactly what he said, and those two coins are where I started. He did not specify which coin he started from. I asked him (both in this thread, and PM - no response). Nor did he specify the commit. I was able to deduce both of these things from comparing 4 different cryptocurrencies, as well as looking at the ancestry of a few to see what's going on here.
2. I'm working on where the PoW/PoS changes have come from.
3. I am in fact working from a diff - good detective work there! You'll be able to see exactly what I'm looking at soon enough Smiley

Thanks again

Why he has to answer each of your question? who are you?? does he has to answer any of the trivial questions by anyone who may or may not understand the code? He answered enough to your curiosity, and instead of being thankful, you started to attack the coin.

If you know what you are doing, it's probably ok, from what you posted, you don't. I'll give you a hint, all altcoins are from a few branches, initially most from litecoin, then PoS coins are all based PPCoin/NovaCoin. Then there are a few important improvements such as complete separation of the diff retarget between PoW/PoS (earlier pow/pos coins and many now are coupled, and cause big issues), true randomness, tor integration, messaging, then there are masternodes etc. So find the branch that has the features you look for.

Looks like you pretty new in this domain, so learn and don't pretend.

1. He doesn't, but he did!
2. I'm just another person on the Internet honestly. No one special.
3. How am I "attacking" the coin, when I am encouraging holding, and even say the developer can be trusted?
4. No shit they are all mostly based off of a few coin codebases. Just look at this: mapofcoins.com/bitcoin. Like you said, it's about the improvements...But there are no improvements here.

Your assumptions are terribly wrong.

Excuse the whole mess.

[currypto]

Thanks for posting
good additional read:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.0

Fuck man...Nice job. Feel free to link my article there too. There are so many defenders of this it is unbelievable. All in it to make quick money, very little true believers of cryptocurrency and what it really means.

[dfox101]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

What a joke, another pretend-expert tries to give false information. I suggest you to better understand the altcoin history before give out shits like this, to fool people (and yourself).

BitcoinPlus is not from BlackCoin, not at all. Let me tell you the history: BitcoinPlus is based on a coin called BritCoin, and BritCoin is based on BoostCoin. BoostCoin is the first one combining X13 and PoS, but it is not the one first with TOR integration. I'll leave you to find out which coin has the first integrated TOR. Blackcoin does not have TOR integration, instead it has blacksend which BitcoinPlus does not have.

BitcoinPlus wanted to rebase on BlackCoin first, then mammix2 who is the BoostCoin dev rebased BitCoinPlus with BritCoin which itself derived from BoostCoin.

Also, many features from DeepOnion are not from MammothCoin at all. 6 months before MammothCoin all these tech are used in another coin (again do your own reserach, novice!). So your diagram is completely wrong, do more research and do a better work that can give yourself a better credit.

[Iris Linus]

I have to admit that I participated in a round of this.

yap it's shit

I made some more BTC. That's what it's about, eh? ...

[badykvik]

I am not surprised to see some greedy people trying to shout down this project but deeponion is too big for them to swallow  .

My best advise to such people is to follow the old saying "If you cannot beat them, you join them"

You guy should start seeing the reality behind this project and the sooner you join us the better for you.

[currypto]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

What a joke, another pretend-expert tries to give false information. I suggest you to better understand the altcoin history before give out shits like this, to fool people (and yourself).

BitcoinPlus is not from BlackCoin, not at all. Let me tell you the history: BitcoinPlus is based on a coin called BritCoin, and BritCoin is based on BoostCoin. BoostCoin is the first one combining X13 and PoS, but it is not the one first with TOR integration. I'll leave you to find out which coin has the first integrated TOR. Blackcoin does not have TOR integration, instead it has blacksend which BitcoinPlus does not have.

BitcoinPlus wanted to rebase on BlackCoin first, then mammix2 who is the BoostCoin dev rebased BitCoinPlus with BritCoin which itself derived from BoostCoin.

Also, many features from DeepOnion are not from MammothCoin at all. 6 months before MammothCoin all these tech are used in another coin (again do your own reserach, novice!). So your diagram is completely wrong, do more research and do a better work that can give yourself a better credit.

1. Where do I claim I am an expert?
2. You are wrong here. Look at this commit: 70af2d46bfe6eecdec498c832021228efd545f99
In particular:

Code:

diff --git a/COPYING b/COPYING
index 8691ab37..4563049a 100644
--- a/COPYING
+++ b/COPYING
@@ -1,7 +1,4 @@
-Copyright (c) 2014 BlackCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2013-2014 NovaCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2011-2012 PPCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2009-2014 Bitcoin Developers
+Copyright (c) 2014 bitcoinplus Developers

3. Nice, what is MammothCoin based off of? I couldn't find anything. I think you are hinting at SuperCoin here.

[dfox101]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

What a joke, another pretend-expert tries to give false information. I suggest you to better understand the altcoin history before give out shits like this, to fool people (and yourself).

BitcoinPlus is not from BlackCoin, not at all. Let me tell you the history: BitcoinPlus is based on a coin called BritCoin, and BritCoin is based on BoostCoin. BoostCoin is the first one combining X13 and PoS, but it is not the one first with TOR integration. I'll leave you to find out which coin has the first integrated TOR. Blackcoin does not have TOR integration, instead it has blacksend which BitcoinPlus does not have.

BitcoinPlus wanted to rebase on BlackCoin first, then mammix2 who is the BoostCoin dev rebased BitCoinPlus with BritCoin which itself derived from BoostCoin.

Also, many features from DeepOnion are not from MammothCoin at all. 6 months before MammothCoin all these tech are used in another coin (again do your own reserach, novice!). So your diagram is completely wrong, do more research and do a better work that can give yourself a better credit.

1. Where do I claim I am an expert?
2. You are wrong here. Look at this commit: 70af2d46bfe6eecdec498c832021228efd545f99
In particular:

Code:

diff --git a/COPYING b/COPYING
index 8691ab37..4563049a 100644
--- a/COPYING
+++ b/COPYING
@@ -1,7 +1,4 @@
-Copyright (c) 2014 BlackCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2013-2014 NovaCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2011-2012 PPCoin Developers
-Copyright (c) 2009-2014 Bitcoin Developers
+Copyright (c) 2014 bitcoinplus Developers

3. Nice, what is MammothCoin based off of? I couldn't find anything. I think you are hinting at SuperCoin here.

To your comments:
2. You looked at a wrong place. This is the blackcoin code you look at. Look at the commit of code from mammix2's checkin starting from Mar 31. 2015, and compare with the previous blackcoin code, do you see much similarity? (hint: the tor code were not there before, you even see some britcoin label initially)

3. You made some progress, and found SuperCoin, lol, no, it is not the one that has these features first. There are other coins that have these similar features before. Anyway, have fun.

[currypto]

2. You looked at a wrong place. This is the blackcoin code you look at. Look at the commit of code from mammix2's checkin starting from Mar 31. 2015, and compare with the previous blackcoin code, do you see much similarity? (hint: the tor code were not there before, you even see some britcoin label initially)Grin

3. You made some progress, and found SuperCoin, lol, no, it is not the one that has these features first. There are other coins that have these similar features before. Anyway, have fun.

Uh no, there are tons of places where they take out "blackcoin" for "bitcoinplus". You need to add more context to what you are saying. I am aware there is "old blackcoin" and "new blackcoin". Why aren't you referring to it like that?

Instead of pulling my pisser why not enlighten us with what cryptocurrency/ies SuperCoin is based on?

Thanks

[Mozdalifa17]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

Noted from experience every coin supported by big community will succeed regardless any technical faced problems so relax and watch . i am doing Arabic translation at the moment to increase TORonion community .

[Lauda]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

Noted from experience every coin supported by big community will succeed regardless any technical faced problems so relax and watch . i am doing Arabic translation at the moment to increase TORonion community .

I am not sure whether you're trolling or just stupid. However, what I am sure of is that you're a paid baboon just like anyone else wearing the signature of this shitcoin.

[ssb883]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

You sure put some effort to research and write for what you call "definite shitcoin". Makes me wonder why. And yeah, I carry DeepOnion signature.

[currypto]

http://currypto.club/hello-world/deep_onion/traversing-the-deeponion

Enjoy. Undeniable proof DeepOnion is a copy+paste project. Not necessarily a scam...but a definite shitcoin. And hey, maybe that's what people want.

You sure put some effort to research and write for what you call "definite shitcoin". Makes me wonder why. And yeah, I carry DeepOnion signature.

There is, objectively, nothing wrong with a shitcoin, just like there is nothing objectively wrong with a pile of shit. It's just shit...

Even on the DeepOnion hype thread, I have encouraged people to hold their coins, and have said that the developer can be trusted, as they haven't added anything malicious.

Is everyone with a DeepOnion signature this stunned?

[dfox101]

2. You looked at a wrong place. This is the blackcoin code you look at. Look at the commit of code from mammix2's checkin starting from Mar 31. 2015, and compare with the previous blackcoin code, do you see much similarity? (hint: the tor code were not there before, you even see some britcoin label initially)Grin

3. You made some progress, and found SuperCoin, lol, no, it is not the one that has these features first. There are other coins that have these similar features before. Anyway, have fun.

Uh no, there are tons of places where they take out "blackcoin" for "bitcoinplus". You need to add more context to what you are saying. I am aware there is "old blackcoin" and "new blackcoin". Why aren't you referring to it like that?

Instead of pulling my pisser why not enlighten us with what cryptocurrency/ies SuperCoin is based on?

Thanks

There are tons of blackcoin code in their github, but these are branched version of blackcoin, and dated back Apr 2014, lmao. Do a more serious research man, your "research" is way shallow and can only cheat those who understand nothing.

I told you Supercoin is not the one one original did these features used in DeepOnion, Supercoin has a bunch of its own original features. Anyway, you were doing a "research" and with incomplete and wrong information trying to attack the coin. I won't waste more of my time here. You attracted fudders here which I have this nice video for them  Turn the subtitle on (lower right corner). Every time I watch it, I laugh big time

I have a small question for Crypto-rainbow: Why is your trust -2? I remember looking like it was not there before ... 

Watch the video you will understand.

DeepOnion Community Made This Video 

Watch: Let's have some fun!
http://www.captiongenerator.com/632602/Fuding-from-the-bunker

For the fudder of DeepOnion, lol. Turn the subtitle on (lower right corner) 

[lakimens]

I'm new to crypto, so I can't believe you on this. Many people are spreading FUD about ONION.
It's a project to make the TOR network more anonymous and they're doing that while giving us money. What is the problem with that?
After I hear the other side of this story, which someone already begun explaining I will not believe you.

For argument's sake let's say this is true.How many coins are based off of other coins?
BitCoin Cash is a copy of BitCoin.
Litecoin is a copy of BitCoin.
Dogecoin is a copy of BitCoin.
These are ABSOLUTE copies of BitCoin, not based on BitCoin. ABSOLUTE copies with very small changes.
There's more.

Why would the dev work hard, when he can work smart and save time?

[Lauda]

I'm new to crypto, so I can't believe you on this. Many people are spreading FUD about ONION.

Posting facts != spreaidng FUD.

It's a project to make the TOR network more anonymous and they're doing that while giving us money. What is the problem with that?

That's the only reason for which you're defending this shit.

These are ABSOLUTE copies of BitCoin, not based on BitCoin. ABSOLUTE copies with very small changes.

In comparison to DeepOnion, those "absolute copies" have actual development teams unlike this turd with a shady individual behind it.

[lijoe408]

I'm new to crypto, so I can't believe you on this. Many people are spreading FUD about ONION.

Posting facts != spreaidng FUD.

It's a project to make the TOR network more anonymous and they're doing that while giving us money. What is the problem with that?

That's the only reason for which you're defending this shit.

These are ABSOLUTE copies of BitCoin, not based on BitCoin. ABSOLUTE copies with very small changes.

In comparison to DeepOnion, those "absolute copies" have actual development teams unlike this turd with a shady individual behind it.

Development teams take time to build.  This coin is one month in and you are undervaluing the marketing that they've generated.  In the current cryptoworld hype and marketing overshadow development.  That's why you see projects like Particl sadly with manyfold the marketcap of Bitbay, and OX with a higher marketcap than blocknet. 

[lijoe408]

I don't get what you guys are so up in arms over?  90+% of the alts are just bits and pieces from other projects cobbled together.  Alot of older coins have good innovations but just failed due to bad marketing and distribution.  Marketing and distribution are real challenges to be solved just like technical challenges and there is value in it.  I see nothing wrong with taking the parts that you like from dead projects and creating your own. Again this project is only 1 month old, you don't know what direction dev will take the project in.

The argument that Dev holds all the coins and can dump at anytime therefore it is scam is silly.  You can apply the notion to any Premined coin.  At least this coin is being given away for free and no ICO.

[Lauda]

Development teams take time to build. 

Quite the argument that you've got there.

This coin is one month in and you are undervaluing the marketing that they've generated. 

This coin is overvalued as people aren't allowed to dump everything or they will get kicked from the airdrop.

In the current cryptoworld hype and marketing overshadow development. 

Which is exactly what is happening with this coin. Zero reason to exist, zero useful features, just a bunch of spammers from an *airdrop*.