Betcoin.AG claims DT members demanded money to change feedback

[GSpgh]

Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you.

There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG:

Zepher - inactive
Blazr - inactive
dooglus - active
Lutpin - active
TwitchySeal - active

Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe.

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[Betcoin.AG]

Hello, everyone who left negative feedback in 2016 was based on 1 incident that they had heard about but were not involved with. The one player who was involved with this issue was satisfactorily compensated and continued to play here. Prior to us contacting everyone who left the negative feedback, there were about 15 of these (all from the one incident). Everyone we spoke to reversed their feedback, except those remaining. Of those remaining, they were either unreachable or demanded money to change their feedback. Thank you.

There are 5 DT negative ratings on Betcoin.AG:

Zepher - inactive
Blazr - inactive
dooglus - active
Lutpin - active
TwitchySeal - active

Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe.

Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

[AB de Royse777]

There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

Well you need to post the proof in public. I do not think it's necessary to keep it hidden from the community.

[LoyceV]

There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

I'd like to see this proof.

Update: Please make it something better than a screenshot!

[The Cryptovator]

There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

Betcoin.AG has sent me a screenshot who asked money. Unfortunately I am on the way and can't read the screenshot since I am on mobile. I will take a look deeply on it if there is really someone asked for money. I am also curious about it and made arguments on gambling section. I will post it if I found something.

[Betcoin.AG]

There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

I'd like to see this proof.

Update: Please make it something better than a screenshot!

Please see your DMs

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'd like to see this proof.

As would I.  I'm not going to say I don't believe it, but when an accusation like that is made there really needs to be some evidence presented--for everyone's sake, and especially the forum's.  You really don't want DT members pulling shit like that.

There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

And you sent it to him because....?  Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it.

I will post it if I found something.

Cool.  The accused member ought to have a place to defend himself, too, which is another reason the accusation should be made right out in the sunshine where everyone can make their own conclusions.

[GSpgh]

Hello, to clarify, unreachable refers to the fact that they would not speak to us about removing the negative trust, not that they aren't active. There was 1 member who asked for money and we have sent proof of this to Coolcryptovator.

You need to make it clear. Right now basically you're accusing all three of them because it's not clear which one demanded money, if anyone actually did.

[AB de Royse777]

And you sent it to him because....?  

I have the same question too.

Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it.

It needs to be in public, there are no scope to hide it in PMs.

[GSpgh]

And you sent it to him because....?  

I have the same question too.

He was the first who asked about it in the other thread.

I also think this should be public as it's a serious accusation. Hopefully it's a mis understanding, maybe spoofed email or not DT member.

[LoyceV]

And you sent it to him because....?  Better to just lay it all out here in this thread so we can have a discussion about it.

I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that.

I've seen the screenshot. A very short summary:
First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site.
Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section".

The username is cut from the screenshot, but I don't trust screenshots anyway.

I suggest to report the PM to an Admin (hilariousandco?), and ask him to confirm authenticity here.

[The Cryptovator]

@The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. I am the one who had asked him questions about "demand money". As a result he sent me screenshots. This thread wasn't created that time. But still I can't read it (not clear on mobile) so I have to sit on PC to read it. PM could verified very easily by reporting specific moderators. Provide fake screenshots against DT members will cause more red tag.

I will request to Betcoin.AG  post your evidence here, so all DT member will know him and might kick him if proof is solid.

[Betcoin.AG]

I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that.

I've seen the screenshot. A very short summary:
First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site.
Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section".

The username is cut from the screenshot, but I don't trust screenshots anyway.

I suggest to report the PM to an Admin (hilariousandco?), and ask him to confirm authenticity here.

To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet.

@The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots. I am the one who had asked him questions about "demand money". As a result he sent me screenshots. This thread wasn't created that time. But still I can't read it (not clear on mobile) so I have to sit on PC to read it. PM could verified very easily by reporting specific moderators. Provide fake screenshots against DT members will cause more red tag.

I will request to Betcoin.AG  post your evidence here, so all DT member will know him and might kick him if proof is solid.

We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one.

[AB de Royse777]

First, Betcoin.AG offers "some test chips" to try the new site.
Then, the other person asks for a significant amount of BTC to "gamble and document every section".

This significant amount rise some question though if it is truly came from the DT user however if the reason is as what you have put in the double quotation mark then the motive seems different than the way it was presented here.

Are the 3 active DT members demanding money to change their feedback? I find that hard to believe.

Edit:

To clarify, we offered this person chips to test the site and they asked for us to send 2 BTC to their personal wallet.

Okay this is next level LOL

We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one.

You have all my attention now and I am sure others is having the same feeling.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I've seen reputations attacked for publishing a PM, so I get that.

I get that, but my point wasn't Coolcryptovator's credibility but the fact that it was sent in a PM in the first place instead of making it public.  If you're going to make an accusation like this, it shouldn't be circulated in PMs because that obviously causes even more problems and delays and frustration.

@The Pharmacist there was no any special reason why Betcoin.AG sent me screenshots.

Not to worry, I wasn't attacking you in any way.  I explained my issue with this in my above post.

All of those members are still on DT?  Is Lutpin still on DT1/2?  I could swear he was removed a while ago, but I haven't been keeping up with who's on the list.

[LoyceV]

We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly.

If you don't, your accusation is useless and could look like an excuus to justify your own red trust.
If you do, this is a big thing and would probably lead to the user being kicked off DT. That means you have one less red trust on DefaultTrust.

All of those members are still on DT?  Is Lutpin still on DT1/2?

Yes (to both questions).

[MFahad]

We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one.

They are asking for bribe to change the feedback.  They have destroyed your trust, your business is at stake and still you feel you need to save that person (if there is any).
Isn't strange or you are pulling out another drama here ?

[GSpgh]

We are discussing internally whether to out this person publicly. It has been discussed before, but for privacy reasons, we decided against it at that time. Please allow us some time to make this decision, as it is a big one.

You already made decision by making this unprovoked public claim today. You are now accusing 3 DT members without proof. If you back out you should probably get some fresh red trust for trying to make your casino look more trustworthy by smearing DT members.

[Betcoin.AG]

You already made decision by making this unprovoked public claim today. You are now accusing 3 DT members without proof. If you back out you should probably get some fresh red trust for trying to make your casino look more trustworthy by smearing DT members.

We definitely have an appreciation of what is at stake here and certainly have no interest in taking away from our reputation. Naturally, the people who make these choices are not always the same people who post on BitcoinTalk, so we ask that you please give us a little time so that we can relay the information to the appropriate desicion-makers. Thank you.

[actmyname]

It's strange that you would rescind action now, especially after you state you've already shown Coolcryptovator the screenshots.If it was a matter of decision-making, it should have been done prior to showing anyone the evidence.