What happened:: Voiding a bet 25 minutes later, 10 minutes after the game has started and my team winning big Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253453 Amount Scammed: 0.09 BTC During the several months of me using the BetBTC.co platform, that is already the fourth time this company has tried to scam me:
1. This screenshot explains the situation in detail
https://prnt.sc/x8h9w7In short, they voided a winning bet 25 minutes after it was placed, tried to steal 0.051585 BTC
ONLY AFTER i have wrote to support, they
ADMITTED that they broke their own rule (looks like the bet cancellation process management was not aware of their own rules) and returned my bitcoin.
In the process they admitted changing their ToS (long after i signed up and agreed to them).
FOR THE RECORD, these are not the ToS that i have agreed on when signing up
2.
They voided my winning bet 20 minutes
AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED and my team WINNING big, tried to steal 0.0338244 BTC.
After many denials this matter was escalated to some supervisor and he agreed to give my money back.
Here is the screenshot of his "generous" decision
https://prnt.sc/x9slm0In the process they also lied to me claiming that they dont void simillar bets only if less than 0.01 BTC (will come into play later). Here is the screenshot
https://i.gyazo.com/9aa6601add6c88648a1b1e87a6fed8b3.png3. Here somehow i was charged BTC withdrawal transaction fees of 0.00964561 BTC (around 300 euro). This bitcoin was returned to me ONLY after i have written to support, but i assume its not a given, that everybody in the same situation would have noticed it.
This screenshot explains everything
https://prnt.sc/x8hdepThe last scam happened just yesterday.I placed a bet (basketball game) on a "TEAM" with a +9 handicap (even if they loose by 8, i still win the bet) 13 minutes before the start of the game. The bet was 0.105 BTC @ odds 1.859 (potential profit of 0.090195 or about 2600 euro today). 1 minute later i placed a bet on the same TEAM to WIN the game @ odds 4.149 (the bet was 0.014 BTC, it will come into play later).
FOR THE RECORD, a bet on +9 handicap @ odds 1.859 AND a bet on a WIN @ odds 4.149 represent the same probability of the team actually winning the game (only in one case i took a much safer bet with a big +9 handicap at much much lower odds, and in the other case i took the straight win, but both of them represent a totally valid odds/probabilities for the same game. This can be verified on BetBTC website as many other basketball games would have almost the same odds and handicaps)
Twenty Three (23) minutes after i placed the bets, and 10 minutes
AFTER THE GAME HAS STARTED, and while my TEAM WAS WINNING already by 8 points (already 17 points !!! advantage for my main handicap bet), my main bet on +9 handicap
WAS VOIDED, but at the same time my bet on straight win stayed valid and eventually was settled as WON
screenshot here -
https://i.gyazo.com/8419504b0819525348b1ad3839b152fc.pngWhich brings us to the LIE they told me about not voiding only bets of less then 0.01 BTC.
Please note again that +9 handicap @ 1.859 and straight win @ 4.149 are EXACTLY THE SAME bets in terms of probabilities. YET THEY VOID THE BIG BET (which i had already +17 points advantage at that time, and decided to leave the MUCH MUCH RISKIER bet on the straight win, which in the end very luckily won by two points in the dying seconds of the game).
this video has all the needed evidence of the above statement -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NoksqLPnQ (you can actually see my main bet dissapearing in front of your eyes, while my team winning big)
For me this WAS a very respected casino/bookie, but in my experience they have:
ATTEMPTED TO STEAL from me LIED to me DID NOT KNOW their own rules MADE MISTAKES (that eventually could cost bitcoin to us, the gamblers - https://i.gyazo.com/feb5f8373c844d6d54ccfd784e2c5881.png) CHANGED THE TOS after i have signed up and agreed to the previous version WAITED TO SEE THE CURRENT RESULT OF THE RUNNING game, to see if to void the bets VOIDED only the bets with the highest probabilities, hoping the other, less probable bets, will looseSo now i claim that they should have never voided my bet 98ceb3de4980f92a of 0.105 BTC @ 1.859 on Hispano Americano +9 (Argentinian Basketball League)
the official result of the game can be found here
http://www.fibalivestats.com/u/ADC/1843177/ and the bet on +9 easily won, as my team was leading big right from the opening whistle.
The voided this bet according to this rule they have:Voided or Cancelled Bets
BetBTC may cancel or void bets which it believes have been:
(a) incorrect lines - example: pre-live bet which after 1 minute is quoting 10% below of the settled price - BetBTC WILL NOT cancel bets placed longer than 30mins ago AND also Live Bets do not apply for this point;
THIS RULE IS
JUST A DISGRACE TO ANY SPORTSBOOK. How they use it is also a disgrace. They void +9, but settle as WON a bet on straight win that was even taken AFTER the bet on +9
This rule they have (WHICH THEY CHANGED AFTER I HAVE SIGNED UP AND AGREED TO THE ToS) just opens a way for a very serious manipulation on the part of the casino. As we can see from the situations above, they are using it to make money, by voiding winning bets from their winning customers.
I DEMAND FOR MY BITCOIN WON ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED BET TO BE PAID BACK TO ME.
P.S. after confronting them about the latest situation via the support, this is what i got in reply:Hello,
1. There was an error on the voided terms and your bets were all re-considered after you contact us. After that and only after, we have changed the terms to up to 30 minutes.
2. Regarding the high withdrawal fee, there was a clear error because your funds were sent from an empty hotwallet that caused a lot of inputs that turned the transaction very heavy and expensive. Right after you reported it to us, we rapidly credited back the extra charged fees and took action to ensure this does not happen ever to another user (we have also checked and in fact it was the first and only time it ever occurred in a BetBTC withdrawal)
3. We now void all bets including smaller than 0.01btc if it fits the voiding terms, it is according to the terms already.
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I inform you that your account will be permanently closed within the next 48 hours. Please withdrawal any remaining funds in your account until then, and don't create additional accounts here - there are a lot of other crypto sportsbooks you can use elsewhere.
Best regards,
BetBTC (admin)
They ADMIT the ERRORS, KEEP LYING and CHANGING their RULES AGAIN
