BetterCallRaul.it Domain Scam confirmed

[petulino]

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Scammer Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3543440
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Amount scammed: 0.05836495 BTC ( Reference )

Bettercallraut a new exchange recently rugpulled and when you open site , A photo(Domain has been siezed) appears. if someone investigate deeply then one can easily understand that this image is fake and created through image editor. further more the domain is not yet closed which prove the scam of this project. unfortunately the compaign was run by most trusted manager(Royse77) and team not paid last two week payment to manager.

I created this separate thread to discuss all investigation here so that other people know their scam and learn lesson from this case.

Some Proof of scamming:

Sorry for any inconvenience. I think none of us expected such ending especially I never expected to make another huge lose in the business and paying out of my own pocket again after Bitlucy scammed me (Over $6.2K or something, I can not remember exactly). Anyway, it is what it is. You all expected to get paid a total of 0.05836495 BTC from me by the next 7 to 10 days.  

If the domain was seized, the DNS entries would have been changed. That didn't happen:

Code:

Domain:             bettercallraul.it
Status:             ok
Signed:             no
Created:            2023-02-22 04:40:56
Last Update:        2023-02-28 01:04:33
Expire Date:        2024-02-22

Also, I have noticed evidence of slight photoshopping of the service name text (where it says "chipmixer and bettercallraul").





In exhibit B, we have the notice by Raul with a stronger white font than the one used in Chipmixer. This font does not match up with the rest of the notice. That must mean some clever swindler must have carefully erased the previous text (this is every easy to do if you've seen my Background Eraser service) and then wrote his own text on top of it. Apparently they did not have the same font installed on their computer as the one used in the notice.

You cannot see the difference even in this size. You must download the images and open them at 100% zoom to see the difference. They are both in 720p size.

Meanwhile in Exhibit A we see the BetterCallRaul logo plastered on top of the notice, on the left and the right. The only problem is, the swindlers pasted the logo on top of part of the chipmixer logo. You will never see any law enforcement organization make this simple mistake. OOPS!  

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[hugeblack]

I am surprised that no one has come to say that he has been scammed. Everything that has happened so far is related to the signature campaign, which scam has not been confirmed yet, and the campaign manager has the only right to accuse them of that, but there are no reports from users.
Also, all evidence does not indicate that the domain was seized, and therefore all that happened is that the site is exit-scam or closed service.

Personally, I do not expect them to return, but we hope that they pay the users before they are considered exit-scam

[CryptSafe]

It is unfortunate that such a thing happened. Just as hugeblack has said, nobody had come up with anything about them being scammed by the exchange and from investigation, it seems they faked it all themselves. Who knows what really transpired for them to have done such putting the campaign manager in such position of needing to pay for services rendered by signature campaign members.

Such experience is not worth it bit of happening to the same person for the second time requiring him to make payment from his own pocket.

We just pray they come back to make payment for their debts and clear their name as the case may be.

[Cuenta Alternativa]

Shouldn't a flag be created as well?

It is crystal clear to me that this is an exit scam.

[rby]

I am surprised that no one has come to say that he has been scammed. Everything that has happened so far is related to the signature campaign, which scam has not been confirmed yet, and the campaign manager has the only right to accuse them of that, but there are no reports from users.

This could mean that forum members (or majority) were nor using their services. If so, no one from here lost in their site. Maybe the big fish they caught before exiting is not from this forum.
It could also be fear of being tracked that made victims not to speak up. Just like the situation of ChipMixer which made many people fear so that they won't be indicted and sought after by FBI.  Let's just wait for few days more, many people are not aware of the situation and I even saw someone still wearing their signature today.

[Mpamaegbu]

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

[cabron]

If indeed BetterCallRaul had exit scam, why is this the fault of Royse when he is not part of that scam?
I'm sure the participants expect pay but this exit scam is unexpected. That makes all of them Victims.

This kind of scam really is not going to make mixers look worse to government and this is another reason why there'd be crackdown of them.

[Wapfika]

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

The project is indeed scam and doing this scam accusation thread is correct because the $Raul token trading is still active since there’s still liquidity locked on the LP. There’s still some user that buying and selling the tokens without any idea that project is already dead.

The telegram chat group of BCR https://t.me/bettercall_raul is already on chaos while the dev is already silent. Probably there’s only few to none investors here in the forum since this project have a very small community even on telegram. Team keeps dumping their bags since this announcement of website seize without any further explanation from their side.

[Solosanz]

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

I tend to agree with you because AFAIK there's no victim claim he got scammed in this exchange and the exchange can't be used anymore, so if the @OP create this thread to warn other users to not use this exchange, how it's possible when we can't use it anymore?

If indeed BetterCallRaul had exit scam, why is this the fault of Royse when he is not part of that scam?

Where did you read the @OP saying if the campaign manager is a part of the BetterCallRaul's team?

Shouldn't a flag be created as well?

Yes, but it should be the campaign manager because he's the one who can create flag type 3, @OP can create flag type 1, but of course flag type 3 is better than type 1.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

If there is one individual who have been scam then it is Royse777 as he has to pay the campaign participants from his own pockets.

But I do agree that after carefully looking at the site and supposedly seizure order, it is somewhat doctored to look as if it was indeed taken down. So it's really a messed right now, but hopefully it will be cleared by the dev themselves because it doesn't look good at this point.

Or if it's true that they have been taken down, then it should be all over the new by now.

[acroman08]

OP, don't you think your action is spontaneous and preemptive, except you're directly affected by that? The manager should've been in a better position to accuse them of scam and I believe Royse777 is waiting for the deadline for the BetterCallRaul team to do the right thing to elapse before accusing them of such. Until then, let's hope all gets well again.

I completely agree that Royse777 should be the one to post this type of scam accusation as he is the one who is directly affected by it. what I think OP should have posted is an exit scam warning, I mean, with the evidence posted on the BetterCallRaul.it signature campaign, I am inclined to believe that the seizing of their website is fake.

[LoyceV]

If there is one individual who have been scam then it is Royse777 as he has to pay the campaign participants from his own pockets.

Agreed. If Royse777 doesn't think a scam accusation is warranted yet, I'd just wait. OP hasn't been scammed.

The escrow details aren't even public:

As the campaign manager, I hold 0.0540 BTC (≈ $1,500) in escrow to guarantee payment for members. Raúl will top up the address regularly as the campaign progresses each week.

ESCROW INFORMATION
Private (Only accepted members are allowed to check)

I think OP should have posted is an exit scam warning

There's no point: the website is gone.

I am inclined to believe that the seizing of their website is fake.

I'm not buying it either. Then again, nothing makes sense:

None of this makes sense:

• If it's hacked, I'd expect the hacker to replace deposit addresses to steal funds.
• If it's seized, I'd expect the DNS entry to be changed. I wouldn't expect to recycle CM's logo, and I wouldn't expect the exact same list of government organisations to be involved.
• If it's an exit scam, it makes no sense to pretend to be seized while they could still be collecting deposits. And nobody so far said they've been scammed.
• If they just quit because it's not profitable, they could have just said so.

This happened exactly 3 months after the domain name was registered.

[Woodie]

I am surprised that no one has come to say that he has been scammed. Everything that has happened so far is related to the signature campaign, which scam has not been confirmed yet

Well payment is already due and I believe the only reason we aren't seeing  people complain of being scammed is because manager gave his word to honor their dues to prevent any panic...

If indeed BetterCallRaul had exit scam, why is this the fault of Royse when he is not part of that scam?

Valid argument and I share the same sentiments.

But having read several opinions on this issue, it seems to have mixed feelings bordering on some users seeing this exit scam was unforeseen and the manager shouldn't be   liable which has prompted some to accept the circumstances and go without the payment....others are saying its the managers responsibility..I guess the participants should have the last say in this...Btw let's not forget CM has lost pay here for service rendered .

[Agbe]

BetterCallRaul.it knows what they are doing. They even login to the forum this evening. Look at their last active time Today at 07:34:53 PM which means they are coming here to spy what is happening in the forum about their exit scam.  Really I have not heard anyone came and claimed that BetterCallRaul.it has scammed them was it that user here was using the platform?

[albon]

Bettercallraut a new exchange recently rugpulled and when you open site , A photo(Domain has been siezed) appears. if someone investigate deeply then one can easily understand that this image is fake and created through image editor. further more the domain is not yet closed which prove the scam of this project. unfortunately the compaign was run by most trusted manager(Royse77) and team not paid last two week payment to manager.

I am not surprised that this new and unknown exchange platform, "BetterCallRaul," has turned into a scam, Even the domain name does not refer to a brand or something like that, but rather to a person, and it is not known who he is. I felt uncomfortable with this exchange, which I saw for the first time being promoted in a signature campaign; Sad for the people who trusted this scam exchange and used it even though many well-established alternatives in the market are popular and safe. Fortunately, @Rose777 will pay out of his pocket to the participants in the sig campaign for the two weeks they worked to promote this nonsense, this is something to be thanked for being also one of the workers in promoting it, and it is also possible that he also did not get paid for being a bounty manager for the signature campaign, There is no conclusive proof, as @hugeblack mentioned, that the platform is Seized. This is a trick that the scammers use to remove the charges from them.

[smyslov]

BetterCallRaul.it knows what they are doing. They even login to the forum this evening. Look at their last active time Today at 07:34:53 PM which means they are coming here to spy what is happening in the forum about their exit scam.  Really I have not heard anyone came and claimed that BetterCallRaul.it has scammed them was it that user here was using the platform?

The majority of us here believe its a scam, they are in a hurry to pull it off by posting a fake and photoshopped seizure, and since they log in they cannot make an announcement that they are seized because they are first exposed of rug pull, I wonder if there are traders who lose money, if there are they can post it here for reference.
OP did not lose money here since his reference is the signature campaign which he is not a part of.

[Baofeng]

This case is just really mysterious to me, hehehe. I don't know but I will play a devils advocate here. The domain name itself, not sure if anyone here is familiar with "Breaking Bad" tv series that was a hit in 2008-2013, a story about a a chemistry teacher who struggles in life, and then he was diagnosed with a lung cancer. And suddenly turn his skills into good use by becoming a drug dealer to produce and distribute methamphetamine.

And then a spin off titled "Better Call Saul" (sounds familiar?), which is the prequel, set before the original "Breaking Bad", but shows the moral decline of the character that really shows how he turns to be the bad guy in the end, so it's a tragedy, again, sounds familiar? hehehehe.

[stompix]

None of this makes sense:
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The whole thing with the forged seized warning makes no sense either and I'm not sure what they would want to accomplish
- delay scam accusation? They will happen the next moment anyhow as we can see
- stop people from complaining and pursue them? Not going to occur if large sums are involved
- it will just bring more attention than a simple website wipeout (like now)

Not sure what they were dealing with behind the scene but probably it wasn't profitable to run so they decided it was better to shut down abruptly and maybe trap a bit of custom funds (if any?) along with the unpaid signatures. Or all of this so-called business was just a front to attract buyers for their token and it either failed or it was enough to move on?

Either way, this just looks like one of the stupidest exit scams I've witnessed around here.

[UchihaSarada]

They still logged in account hours ago and reading our scam accusation and responded to our complaints by taking off their fake background photo and shutdown their website that is no longer seized now.

bettercallraul profile. They logged in or CIA logged in the account?  

They just made another stupid activity by logged in account to read. Stupid scam exit and not yet arrested by police.

[TravelMug]

Either way, this just looks like one of the stupidest exit scams I've witnessed around here.

Yes, I have been here in the community for 6 years and this is the first time that I heard this kind of exit scams from no less than an bitcoin tumbler. They usually disappear though with customers funds (assuming some whale used this websites to mix his coins and then the people behind just took it).

They still logged in account hours ago and reading our scam accusation and responded to our complaints by taking off their fake background photo and shutdown their website that is no longer seized now.

bettercallraul profile. They logged in or CIA logged in the account?  

They just made another stupid activity by logged in account to read. Stupid scam exit and not yet arrested by police.

Hopefully they login to talk to the campaign manager and clear everything up because this is getting out of hand.