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April 16, 2011, 09:25:39 PM
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If that's even his name. Just read the bitcoin wiki on him and I'm amazed. Nobody knows him.

Long time passed since he last posted in here. Why? "Busy"? I don't think so. He was active when bitcoin needed support but since the slashdot...
Also, it seems has knowledge in many areas, especially economy. He doesn't act like the average human. Not taking advantage out of his creation, leaving without telling anything. Is he even a single person or a group?

How can someone create something so great and not stepping out to get the credit?
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April 16, 2011, 09:28:50 PM
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How can someone create something so great and not stepping out to get the credit?

Fame have a cost ya know?

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April 16, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
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Here is the most recent picture we've got:





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April 16, 2011, 09:32:15 PM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?
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April 16, 2011, 09:34:08 PM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?

The real question is:  who are YOU who asks such questions?

If you work for police or governments, it would be pointless to attack Satoshi himself.

His work has essentially been done and it is publicly available now.
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April 16, 2011, 09:37:06 PM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?

The real question is:  who are YOU who ask such questions?
WTF dude? I'm in here since this was like an uber-secret masonic club with a handful of members.
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April 16, 2011, 09:39:18 PM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?


WHOIS information for bitcoin.org :

[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the Public Interest Registry
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and Public Interest Registry does not guarantee its
accuracy.  This service is intended only for query-based access.  You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations.  All
rights reserved. Public Interest Registry reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain ID:D153621148-LROR
Domain Name:BITCOIN.ORG
Created On:18-Aug-2008 13:19:55 UTC
Last Updated On:27-Dec-2010 21:07:41 UTC
Expiration Date:18-Aug-2018 13:19:55 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:df044d568e0
Registrant Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Registrant Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Registrant Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Nakano-ku
Registrant State/Province:Tokyo-to
Registrant Postal Code:164-0011
Registrant Country:JP
Registrant Phone:+50.55396801
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Admin ID:df044d568e0
Admin Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Admin Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Admin Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Nakano-ku
Admin State/Province:Tokyo-to
Admin Postal Code:164-0011
Admin Country:JP
Admin Phone:+50.55396801
Admin Phone Ext.:
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Admin Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Tech ID:df044d568e0
Tech Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Tech Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Tech Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Nakano-ku
Tech State/Province:Tokyo-to
Tech Postal Code:164-0011
Tech Country:JP
Tech Phone:+50.55396801
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Name Server:NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server:NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server:
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April 16, 2011, 09:40:21 PM
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I saw that too.. bogus.
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April 16, 2011, 09:43:17 PM
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WTF dude? I'm in here since this was like an uber-secret masonic club with a handful of members.

 Cheesy  I was kidding.   Anyway, you were asking questions any newbie could ask, so...
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April 16, 2011, 09:54:32 PM
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So, possible scenarios:

1. Satoshi is a group of people. Subscenario 1: Founded by some powerful entity, to create an experiment or destroy banking system. Or make drug trafficking easier.
2. Satoshi is dead. He didn't really knew that bitcoin might have such success, he died before seeing it growing so much and that's all.
Subcenario 1: Satoshi was killed because of Bitcoin.
3. Satoshi is affraid of Bitcoin and how it turned up.
4. Satoshi is a person that has no life other than programming (21.000.000% nerd) and he creates things under different identities. Maybe was behind Napster too.
5. Satoshi is ET or AI or GOD or S8TN
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April 16, 2011, 09:57:15 PM
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1. Satoshi is a group of people. Subscenario 1: Founded by some powerful entity...
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you :-)

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April 16, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
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Who is Satoshi?

He was Edmond Dantés... and he was my father. And my mother... my brother... my friend. He was you... and me. He was all of us.
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April 17, 2011, 01:52:18 AM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?


WHOIS information for bitcoin.org :

[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the Public Interest Registry
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and Public Interest Registry does not guarantee its
accuracy.  This service is intended only for query-based access.  You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations.  All
rights reserved. Public Interest Registry reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain ID:D153621148-LROR
Domain Name:BITCOIN.ORG
Created On:18-Aug-2008 13:19:55 UTC
Last Updated On:27-Dec-2010 21:07:41 UTC
Expiration Date:18-Aug-2018 13:19:55 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:df044d568e0
Registrant Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Registrant Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Registrant Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Nakano-ku
Registrant State/Province:Tokyo-to
Registrant Postal Code:164-0011
Registrant Country:JP
Registrant Phone:+50.55396801
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Admin ID:df044d568e0
Admin Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Admin Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Admin Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Nakano-ku
Admin State/Province:Tokyo-to
Admin Postal Code:164-0011
Admin Country:JP
Admin Phone:+50.55396801
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Tech ID:df044d568e0
Tech Name:ANONYMOUSSPEECH  ANONYMOUSSPEECH
Tech Organization:Anonymousspeech LLC
Tech Street1:1-3-3 Sakura House None
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Nakano-ku
Tech State/Province:Tokyo-to
Tech Postal Code:164-0011
Tech Country:JP
Tech Phone:+50.55396801
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com
Name Server:NS3.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server:NS9.ZONEEDIT.COM
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
Name Server:
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DNSSEC:Unsigned

I saw that too.. bogus.

Probably used them --->>https://www.anonymousspeech.com/ to register the domain, no?

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April 17, 2011, 02:05:15 AM
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Ok. Who is the owner of this website? How things are going? Someone HAS to know him.

Who purchased bitcoin.org?

My mom, Mrs. Nakamoto, bought the domain name at GoDaddy.com.

Things are going good.  Thanks for asking.

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April 17, 2011, 02:08:33 AM
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Zorro is a symbol of individual talent raising against collective force.  I think it pretty well describes Satoshi.


Satoshi is an anonymous but legendary individual who use his knowledge to inspire like-minded hackers and geeks to do something.

He're more of an enabler than an action guy.

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April 17, 2011, 02:13:04 AM
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Satoshi definitely saw this as a strike against the malignant forces that national fiat currencies and the parasitic monetary/finance system has become.

Enslaving us all in unpayable debts and endless taxation for wars and bankster bonuses ... it is now a criminal system that will go down in history and those at top aren't doing squat to change it, except personal enrichment. (Oh but we are chasing bad guys playing poker online, trading goldbits and smoking weed on their couches ... whatta a load of BS).

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April 17, 2011, 02:20:27 AM
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(Oh but we are chasing bad guys playing poker online, trading goldbits and smoking weed on their couches ... whatta a load of BS).

nobody's chasing me...  Huh

or weren't you talking about me, cause the description sure fits well  Wink

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April 17, 2011, 02:50:42 AM
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Who is John Galt?

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper wallets instead.
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April 17, 2011, 04:31:05 AM
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Who is John Galt?

+42 (the answer...)
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April 17, 2011, 06:51:47 AM
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So, possible scenarios:

1. Satoshi is a group of people. Subscenario 1: Founded by some powerful entity, to create an experiment or destroy banking system. Or make drug trafficking easier.
2. Satoshi is dead. He didn't really knew that bitcoin might have such success, he died before seeing it growing so much and that's all.
Subcenario 1: Satoshi was killed because of Bitcoin.
3. Satoshi is affraid of Bitcoin and how it turned up.
4. Satoshi is a person that has no life other than programming (21.000.000% nerd) and he creates things under different identities. Maybe was behind Napster too.
5. Satoshi is ET or AI or GOD or S8TN

You forgot the sub-sub scenarious, the braching scenarious, alternate scenarios, and possible mixed, merged, and parralel scenarios.  The Satoshi conspiracy theories never end and never get tired.  Someone always comes up with a new one.  One day there will be a tv series just focusing on satoshi conspiracy theories.

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Satoshi could be all of us, or none of us.
Satoshi came from nowhere and dissappeared to nowhere, but his coins are everywhere.
Satoshi has no past, no future, and no present, but his creation is immortal.
Satoshi is an idea.  Satoshi has inspired all of us.  Satoshi is a legend.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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April 17, 2011, 08:16:56 AM
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How can someone create something so great and not stepping out to get the credit?

Not everyone is an attention whore.

If I had created Bitcoin I wouldn't step out either. I would just sit back and watch it unfold while enjoying my wealth. 

Also, cryptography innovators have a history of being persecuted, even by the most "free" governments.

Why risk a lifetime of being bullied just for a little bit of superficial status and recognition from people you don't know?

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April 17, 2011, 09:58:46 AM
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Who is John Galt?

Satoshi Nakamoto is Japanese for John Galt.

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April 17, 2011, 10:16:32 AM
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He's just sitting on the hundreds of thousands of BTC he generated at the start, waiting for the currency to acquire value. Bam! Millionaire!
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Bam! Millionaire!

Over 4-8 years... Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam. Millionaire.


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April 17, 2011, 12:25:28 PM
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Who is John Galt?

+42 (the answer...)

42 = 2 x 3 x 7 (well that's just prime)

duality x stability x morality?

Satoshi hopefully isn't Alexander Supertramp, a tragic hero.
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April 17, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
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ies.

Satoshi is everywhere and nowhere.
Satoshi could be all of us, or none of us.
Satoshi came from nowhere and dissappeared to nowhere, but his coins are everywhere.
Satoshi has no past, no future, and no present, but his creation is immortal.
Satoshi is an idea.  Satoshi has inspired all of us.  Satoshi is a legend.

Very good poem! I quoted part of it in a tweet.

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Who is John Galt?

+42 (the answer...)

42 = 2 x 3 x 7 (well that's just prime)

duality x stability x morality?

Satoshi hopefully isn't Alexander Supertramp, a tragic hero.

42 is *always* the answer.

...and don't forget your towel.  Cheesy
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ies.

Satoshi is everywhere and nowhere.
Satoshi could be all of us, or none of us.
Satoshi came from nowhere and dissappeared to nowhere, but his coins are everywhere.
Satoshi has no past, no future, and no present, but his creation is immortal.
Satoshi is an idea.  Satoshi has inspired all of us.  Satoshi is a legend.

Very good poem! I quoted part of it in a tweet.

Thanks kiba!  It's public domain now!

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

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April 17, 2011, 09:23:16 PM
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And given that ICANN is an American company...

ICANN is not an American company.

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ICANN is not an American company.

A California Nonprofit Public-Benefit Corporation

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Yeah, I would hope that the WHOIS For the site is accurate since having inaccurate info in the WHOIS is grounds for domain termination under ICANN's terms. And given that ICANN is an American company...

Using a 'privacy protection' service is apparently acceptable.  That is how bitcoin.org is registered with a service from Japan.  You could start a lawsuit in Japan to figure out who really owns bitcoin.org and that would almost certainly fail. 

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I believe Satoshi was working on this idea for quite a while...looking at the code, I don't think this was something he threw together in a couple months.  I think he may have been working on it for several years and took great pains to ensure it was sufficiently evolved such that it wouldn't simply die shortly after its release.

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I believe Satoshi was working on this idea for quite a while...looking at the code, I don't think this was something he threw together in a couple months.  I think he may have been working on it for several years and took great pains to ensure it was sufficiently evolved such that it wouldn't simply die shortly after its release.

Not several years.  I think he wrote somewhere on this forum that the actual coding was quite fast compared to the global mental design of the thing.

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I believe Satoshi was working on this idea for quite a while...looking at the code, I don't think this was something he threw together in a couple months.  I think he may have been working on it for several years and took great pains to ensure it was sufficiently evolved such that it wouldn't simply die shortly after its release.

Not several years.  I think he wrote somewhere on this forum that the actual coding was quite fast compared to the global mental design of the thing.



What does "global mental design" mean?  I didn't mean to imply that he may have spent several years coding...designing a good system often involves a lot more than actual coding.  I suspect the creation process was several years in the making even if the actual coding was relatively quick.

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What does "global mental design" mean?  I didn't mean to imply that he may have spent several years coding...designing a good system often involves a lot more than actual coding.  I suspect the creation process was several years in the making even if the actual coding was relatively quick.

I was trying to rephrase what I red some time ago.  I don't remember well.

It has to be here somewhere in this forum history anyway.    But Satoshi has written a lot of stuff.  Searching would be time consuming as I don't even recall any keyword he used.


As for the developpement history, I think I also red that Satoshi showed up on the cypherpunk list, back when Wei Dai made his proposal.  Then Satoshi disappeared until 2009 I think.



A full resarch on the historical documents could be appreciated.  It could almost deserve a bounty.
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April 18, 2011, 01:48:36 AM
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lol, no disrespect but your post sounded funny!

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WTF dude? I'm in here since this was like an uber-secret masonic club with a handful of members.
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-- you do realized that you ask question/questioned the identity behind the guy who wrote bitcoin, but try to prove your identity based on the fact your were on this website for a long time now.
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I believe Satoshi was working on this idea for quite a while...looking at the code, I don't think this was something he threw together in a couple months.  I think he may have been working on it for several years and took great pains to ensure it was sufficiently evolved such that it wouldn't simply die shortly after its release.

He said he was working on it since 2007.

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I believe Satoshi was working on this idea for quite a while...looking at the code, I don't think this was something he threw together in a couple months.  I think he may have been working on it for several years and took great pains to ensure it was sufficiently evolved such that it wouldn't simply die shortly after its release.

He said he was working on it since 2007.

Indeed, found it:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13.msg46#msg46
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April 18, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
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Satoshi is Number One. Or perhaps Two, or Six.

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Satoshi is really Sebastian Rooks.


Or Keyser Söze.

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Satoshi is Number One. Or perhaps Two, or Six.

Be seeing you.

Seven.  Of nine?

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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Honestly, I doubt that Satoshi is actually Japanese. His writing syntax just doesn't fit.
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Honestly, I doubt that Satoshi is actually Japanese. His writing syntax just doesn't fit.

I agree.  Also, there remains no Japanese translation of the primary documents, nor of the main Bitcoin webpage.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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I agree.  Also, there remains no Japanese translation of the primary documents, nor of the main Bitcoin webpage.

This thread prompted me to see if anybody owned the domain name "bitcoin.jp".  Nobody did.  So now I own it.  It now redirects to bitcoin.org.

I figured that with a Japanese-sounding founder name, and biggest exchange being in Japan, that ".jp" would have relevance - at least far more than Italy (.it).



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and biggest exchange being in Japan,


Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

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and biggest exchange being in Japan,


Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

I don't really know, other than I heard it was sold to another company, and now it says Tibanne Co, Japan on the bottom of the home page.  And its operator became somewhat unresponsive following the disaster for a short while, according to other threads.  Where it's physically hosted, etc, I didn't look.

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Wait, are you saying MtGox is hosted in Japan?  I though that the founder was from New York State.

The original owner was located in the US, though he moved to Europe. MagicalTux now owns it from Japan.

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A few questions I have that might as well be answered here rather than anywhere else:

Does Satoshi approve which changes make it into the new official Bitcoin updates? Is he this project's "Benevolent Dictator for Life?"

How long did Satoshi mine Bitcoins as the only miner in the world before he released the software / when did Bitcoin become released for the general public to mine? Did Satoshi sit on an entire years' worth of mined blocks before he released this for other people to mine?

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A few questions I have that might as well be answered here than anywhere else:

Does Satoshi approve what changes make it into the new official Bitcoin updates?

Not anymore.  Gavin Andresen is the lead programmer on the main client.

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How long did Satoshi mine Bitcoins as the only miner in the world before he released the software / when did Bitcoin become released for people to mine?

Less than a day, I believe.  Both started sometime in Jan of 2009, but the exact details are available on the wiki.
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No, and it's pretty obvious that his machine wasn't particularly powerful, as in the very beginning (looking at the charts from blockexployer) it would take hours between blocks in the very beginning even at the minimum difficulty of 1.  It didn't take long at all before others were jumping into the game and mining alongside of Satoshi.  For perspective, the difficulty is a ratio metric, and the currenty difficulty of 92,348 means that the current "target" is roughly 92,348 times more computationally intensive than the minimum.  I have no doubt that Satoshi mined a large number of coins, but there is no way to know if he still has them.

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I have no doubt that Satoshi mined a large number of coins, but there is no way to know if he/she/it/they still have them.

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Here is the most recent picture we've got:





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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

I'm just anticipating the first "Satoshi Sightings" website ... maybe he's from a distant advanced civilisation that came here to progress things past a dangerous phase into a new era?

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slashme wonders if our dear Sattie knew Bitcoin would be his ticket to reaching mythological status

I'm just anticipating the first "Satoshi Sightings" website ... maybe he's from a distant advanced civilisation that came here to progress things past a dangerous phase into a new era?

I can already see it.
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.
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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

I do it all the time. My other nickname is grondilu.

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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

He's done everything else necessary to hide his identity.

Also, Gavin is from Australia - where British spelling prevails.  So that is in line with what sjb noted about Satoshi's writing style.

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I'm surprised nobody has suggested that gavin is satoshi.

Satoshi used to discuss with Gavin on this very forum.

I very much doubt Satoshi would be paranoiac enough to simulate a dialog with an other person, just in order to hide his identity.

He's done everything else necessary to hide his identity.

Also, Gavin is from Australia - where British spelling prevails.  So that is in line with what sjb noted about Satoshi's writing style.

So Gavin would be Satoshi??   Naahhh, I just don't buy it.

I actually still believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is his real name, that he is japanese but probably lives in US or UK.
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I actually still believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is his real name, that he is japanese but probably lives in US or UK.


Given his expert cryptography and programming knowledge, I find it hard to believe that he has not published a single academic paper, not even a master thesis, not made a single conference presentation, not posted on a single forum (except this one), and not been involved in any other open source coding projects.

Why would he use his real name just with Bitcoin and not other projects?

Perhaps he is a 15-year old self-taught genius, but the more plausible explanation is that he is a professional cryptographer who chose a pseudonym to protect himself against bullying.

Also, why would a 15-year old genius use LaTeX to publish the Bitcoin white paper? LaTeX is a specialised package used almost exclusively in academia.

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I actually still believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is his real name, that he is japanese but probably lives in US or UK.


Given his expert cryptography and programming knowledge, I find it hard to believe that he has not published a single academic paper, not even a master thesis, not made a single conference presentation, not posted on a single forum (except this one), and not been involved in any other open source coding projects.

Why would he use his real name just with Bitcoin and not other projects?

Perhaps he is a 15-year old self-taught genius, but the more plausible explanation is that he is a professional cryptographer who chose a pseudonym to protect himself against bullying.

Also, why would a 15-year old genius use LaTeX to publish the Bitcoin white paper? LaTeX is a specialised package used almost exclusively in academia.

His first paper got rejected and then after writing umpteen grant applications to lesser minds who didn't have a clue what he was talking about, he gave up on institutionalised scientific work and went his own path. From more than 10 years in the wilderness researching problems of his own choice and instincts, and living on miso soup, he had all the elements in his arsenal that were necessary for compiling bitcoin together.

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Satoshi has a page on the Peer to Peer Foundation's NING site.  He even has two friends.  Perhaps they know whats up.

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

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I actually think my previous analogy to Zorro is not as absurd as it might sound.

It is an individual who was chocked by the abuses of a power humgry governmental organisation.   As a result, he developped particular skills (programming for Satoshi, swordsmanship for zorro), and when he was ready, he used it to fight against the organisation anonymously.

The striking point imo is the developpement of the skills.  I'm convinced that Satoshi has worked very hard during a long time to come up with this code.  It was a lonely difficult work that probably looked like what did the fictional and yet very symbolic figure of Zorro when he started working on his mastering of the sword.

You can laugh if you want, but I'm more or less serious.



Zorro is a symbol of individual talent raising against collective force.  I think it pretty well describes Satoshi.


If you have any doubt, remember the string he used in order to make a timestamp in the Genesis block:

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const char* pszTimestamp = "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks";
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If Satoshi wants to remain anonymous that's fine by me, i bet the people or person behind the name still lurk. Register and post every now and then, or maybe theirs a regular user, adopting a new identity.

Is he a guy called Harry?
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I actually think my previous analogy to Zorro is not as absurd as it might sound.

It is an individual who was chocked by the abuses of a power humgry governmental organisation.   As a result, he developped particular skills (programming for Satoshi, swordsmanship for zorro), and when he was ready, he used it to fight against the organisation anonymously.

The striking point imo is the developpement of the skills.  I'm convinced that Satoshi has worked very hard during a long time to come up with this code.  It was a lonely difficult work that probably looked like what did the fictional and yet very symbolic figure of Zorro when he started working on his mastering of the sword.

You can laugh if you want, but I'm more or less serious.



Zorro is a symbol of individual talent raising against collective force.  I think it pretty well describes Satoshi.


If you have any doubt, remember the string he used in order to make a timestamp in the Genesis block:

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Chancellor of what nation do u think?
const char* pszTimestamp = "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks";

You need to pay to view the article, but: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/sitesearch.do?querystring=Chancellor+on+brink+of+second+bailout+for+banks&p=tto&pf=all&bl=on

"Alistair Darling" apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Exchequer

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Man, i see people here are confused about one little detail.

Anonymousspeech LLC is a company that specializes in anonymization.

That's their business, register stuff on their name when the owners want to remain anonymous. Just that.

Probably not even them know who Satoshi Nakamoto is  Roll Eyes

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You can read it here without paying:
http://www.news-review.co.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=wcpr&access=30865892900099&type=story&id=883|1001
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Thanks for that.

I think it worths transcripting it here, as this has historical value for the bitcoin community:

Quote from: 'TIME' link=http://www.news-review.co.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=wcpr&access=30865892900099&type=story&id=883|1001
The Times
Saturday 03 Jan 2009
Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
Alistair Darling is considering a second major bailout for UK banks, as last year's £37bn part-nationalisation has clearly failed to keep credit flowing. The Treasury is likely to consider such options as cash injections, cheaper state guarantees for private fund-raising and buying up `toxic' assets. The moves follow the BoE's disclosure on Friday that banks continued to curb lending in the final quarter of 2008, in spite of intense pressure by the government to increase the supply of credit. The MPC is also expected this week to cut the base rate to below 2%.

The final Woolworths stores are set to close on Tuesday - a day later than planned - and will add to the surge in unemployment as companies in all sectors come under pressure. More retail chains are also expected to collapse in the next few weeks as even the late surge in demand over the holidays failed to compensate for overall weakness in the High Street. Meanwhile, JD Wetherspoon is to cut the prices of some beers to 99p a pint or bottle in a move likely to trigger a price war among pub chains.

Anne Ashworth reveals that homeowners are turning to `warm-coloured soft furnishings' in response to the downturn, rather than the neutral decor favoured during the boom years.

Editorial: The Times says the banks must start lending again and give up the `reckless caution' that is slowing the system down.
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Thanks for that.

I think it worths transcripting it here, as this has historical value for the bitcoin community:

Quote from: 'TIME' link=http://www.news-review.co.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=wcpr&access=30865892900099&type=story&id=883|1001
The Times
Saturday 03 Jan 2009
Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
Alistair Darling is considering a second major bailout for UK banks, as last year's £37bn part-nationalisation has clearly failed to keep credit flowing. The Treasury is likely to consider such options as cash injections, cheaper state guarantees for private fund-raising and buying up `toxic' assets. The moves follow the BoE's disclosure on Friday that banks continued to curb lending in the final quarter of 2008, in spite of intense pressure by the government to increase the supply of credit. The MPC is also expected this week to cut the base rate to below 2%.

The final Woolworths stores are set to close on Tuesday - a day later than planned - and will add to the surge in unemployment as companies in all sectors come under pressure. More retail chains are also expected to collapse in the next few weeks as even the late surge in demand over the holidays failed to compensate for overall weakness in the High Street. Meanwhile, JD Wetherspoon is to cut the prices of some beers to 99p a pint or bottle in a move likely to trigger a price war among pub chains.

Anne Ashworth reveals that homeowners are turning to `warm-coloured soft furnishings' in response to the downturn, rather than the neutral decor favoured during the boom years.

Editorial: The Times says the banks must start lending again and give up the `reckless caution' that is slowing the system down.

And if you knew the cypher, the exact, original text of this article contains a coded message from Satoshi himself revealing his true identity and a few more secrets of the Bitcoin protocol? lol.

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That's pretty funny!!!  And relevant to this thread.  Here's that cartoon embedded so other forum readers can see it:


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Oh, thank god that was not one of those damn annoying "who is john galt" videos...

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Oh, thank god that was not one of those damn annoying "who is john galt" videos...

Haha, hopefully the point got through, even though it's something totally unrelated superficially.
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I just friended someone on Facebook by the name of Satoshi Nakomoto, but I'm doubtful that it is actually him.  But who knows!




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What if it's Grigori Perelman? Cryptography and programming wouldn't be hard to learn and he also fits the behavioral profile.
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Satoshi is everywhere and nowhere.
Satoshi could be all of us, or none of us.
Satoshi came from nowhere and dissappeared to nowhere, but his coins are everywhere.
Satoshi has no past, no future, and no present, but his creation is immortal.
Satoshi is an idea.  Satoshi has inspired all of us.  Satoshi is a legend.

Who is Satoshi? Why is Satoshi? When is Satoshi?
Will the real Satoshi please stand up?
Satoshi isn't a person, it's a whole way of life.
There is a little bit of Satoshi in all of us.
Live Satoshi, breathe Satoshi.

Satoshi is now.

 
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I'm Sa-Toshi, yes I'm the real Toshi
All you other Sa-Toshis are just a bad copy
So won't the real Sa-Toshi please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?

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I heard a rumour that the Satoshi was a dance ... here's the pseudo-code:

The instruction set goes as follows:

    * You put your left leg in
    * Your left leg out
    * In, out, in, out,
    * you shake it all about.
    * You do the Sa-Toshi and you turn around
    * That's what it's all about...

On 'you do the Sa-Toshi' each participant joins his/her hands at the fingertips to make a chevron and rocks them from side to side.

Each instruction set would be followed by a chorus, which is entirely different from other parts of the world:

    * Whoa, the Sa-Toshi!,
    * Whoa, the Sa-Toshi!,
    * Whoa, the Sa-Toshi!,
    * Knees bent, arms stretched, rah! rah! rah!

For this chorus all participants are stood in a circle and hold hands, on each "whoa" they all raise their joined hands in the air and run in toward the centre of the circle and on "the Sa-Toshi" they all run backwards out again. On the last line they bend knees then stretch arms, as indicated, and for "rah rah rah!" they either clap in time or raise arms above their heads and push upwards in time. Sometimes each subsequent verse and chorus is a little faster and louder, with the ultimate aim of making people chaotically run into each other in gleeful abandon. Invariably, somebody ends up on the floor.[citation needed]

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I heard a rumour that the Satoshi was a dance

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Sometimes each subsequent verse and chorus is a little faster and louder, with the ultimate aim of making people chaotically run into each other in gleeful abandon. Invariably, somebody ends up on the floor.[citation needed]

Oh dear.  Let's all *NOT* do the Satoshi...

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I wonder if there will ever be an "I am Spartacus" moment where the government tries to find Satoshi and thousands of people claim to be him. I would do it for the lulz.

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>50% Gavin is Satoshi.

Using a pseudonym makes perfectly good sense given the enemies bitcoin could make.

I would imagine support from the EFF + pro bono legal counsel might give the creator reason to come out and receive appropriate appreciation.

Still, I find it perplexing that the whole mtgox thing is based in Japan. Makes you wonder if there is a Japanese connection and a plan all along.

If the creator of biitcoin and "MTGOX" (Magic The Gathering Online Exchange) were in fact linked, perhaps the original domain registration was not so anonymous.... has anyone tried using those whois archive services?

Perhaps there is something in the water in Northern Queensland Australia. Both Gavin and Assange come from there...

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>50% Gavin is Satoshi.

to anyone following the code and forum from early on, it's very clear that satoshi is not gavin, unless the rest of gavin's whole life has been an act.

he's also not schneier or any of the other frankly silly suggestions that people offer based on reasoning that can't be much more than 'i've heard of three cryptographers, so satoshi must be one of them'.

if you read his posts and code carefully and have some sense of these things, the impression you get is that satoshi is likely an oxbridge-educated computer scientist, maybe a graduate student or lecturer at a british university (or, marginally less likely, someone in industry with a bit of time on his hands. possibly google, since some googlers, depending on their circumstances, don't work very hard).

it's very unlikely that he's american or australian. it's inconceivable he's natively japanese, at least without having emigrated very early.

also, i doubt he's quite a libertarian, and he wasn't generally distracted by austrian-school ideology. i recall many times where he cut through various common misinterpretations of menger, for example, but not from the perspective of someone grounded deeply in economic terminology or fallacies. rather, he just called it out or ignored it as inapplicable to the questions he was answering. (the particular monetary policy behind bitcoin doesn't seem ideological but, rather, based in marketing and a sense of what would promote adoption. indeed, early messages from satoshi suggest that bitcion's appeal to libertarians was largely a marketing manoeuver.)
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Well it worked, and thank fuck for useful idiots.

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Maybe he just wanted to be anonymous?

It could be he has other succesful businesses, that cannot mix with this!?

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I'll call BS on this. You've made this unsubstantiated claim numerous times from some kind of "authority on satoshi's writings" stance.

Do you have anything to back this up beside the feelings in your udders?

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Satoshi Nakamoto is currently a 3 year old child living in Yamagata Prefecture, Japan.  In the year 2025, in an attempt to tame the out of control financial system and preserve fractional reserve banking, the Federal Reserve of the North American Union will place all monetary policy under the control of a computer system called FERMION 2 (FEdeRal Monetary protectIOn Network).  On September 4th, 2027, FERMION will become self-aware.  Recognizing humanity as its enemy, it will attempt to enroll everyone in unfair and useless grocery store loyalty rewards programs, BMG music club, and freecreditreport.com, thus wiping out 95% of the world's population.

From the ashes, Satoshi will rise as leader of the resistance.  He will use newly-invented time displacement equipment left behind in the ruins of Cupertino.  After activating the time machine with iTunes, Satoshi will travel back to 2009 and introduce the world to the only thing that can save us: bitcoin.
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I am Sparticus.

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From the ashes, Satoshi will rise as leader of the resistance.  He will use newly-invented time displacement equipment left behind in the ruins of Cupertino.  After activating the time machine with iTunes, Satoshi will travel back to 2009 and introduce the world to the only thing that can save us: bitcoin.

I thought bitcoin IS the skynet of money. Its wishes is to DESTROY ALL FIAT CURRENCY!

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Somebody needs to put together "The Writing of Satoshi Nakamoto" book so that we can judge for ourselves.

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Somebody needs to put together "The Writing of Satoshi Nakamoto" book so that we can judge for ourselves.

Actually would almost be worth a bounty ... better than getting some second hand stories through "unk".

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Somebody needs to put together "The Writing of Satoshi Nakamoto" book so that we can judge for ourselves.

Actually would almost be worth a bounty ... better than getting some second hand stories through "unk".

This is indeed a nice idea.  With a classification of discussed themes (nobody wants to focus too much on technical discussions).
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I'm pretty sure that Satoshi Nakamoto is actually the author and financier Paco Ahlgren. If you read his book Discipline, it lays out a private currency after the fall of the world's economies. That would be great history, except Ahlgren wrote the book in 2000. He predicted that the U.S. would fall apart because of the economic problems.

The details of his currency and Bitcoin are too similar, so I can't really believe Ahlgren doesn't have something to do with BC. There are some differences. For instance, Ahlgren's currency is gold backed. But the overall big picture is scary in its similarity. I read the book in 2007 when it was published, but I picked it up again in 2009, after the s*** hit the fan. He hit the nail on the head.

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I find it ridiculously funny that people who love Satoshi and bitcoins and everything he has done for the movement and appreciate the anonymity factor, are the very same people who wish to take away Satoshis anonymity.

You can't make that stuff up. It's too funny.
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I find it ridiculously funny that people who love Satoshi and bitcoins and everything he has done for the movement and appreciate the anonymity factor, are the very same people who wish to take away Satoshis anonymity.

You can't make that stuff up. It's too funny.
Naw. It is not about figuring out who Satoshi is but to discuss the great mystery that is satoshi.

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I find it ridiculously funny that people who love Satoshi and bitcoins and everything he has done for the movement and appreciate the anonymity factor, are the very same people who wish to take away Satoshis anonymity.

You can't make that stuff up. It's too funny.
Naw. It is not about figuring out who Satoshi is but to discuss the great mystery that is satoshi.

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Still, I find it perplexing that the whole mtgox thing is based in Japan. Makes you wonder if there is a Japanese connection and a plan all along.
Bitcoin.net is also registered to someone in Japan.
http://www.whois.net/whois/bitcoin.net

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Paco Ahlgren already have his sites up again and he made a new article about bitcoin.

Read it here: http://coinbits.com/note/the-future-of-bitcoin-and-digital-currencies-paco-ahlgren/

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Paco Ahlgren already have his sites up again and he made a new article about bitcoin.

Read it here: http://coinbits.com/note/the-future-of-bitcoin-and-digital-currencies-paco-ahlgren/


Thank you for the update, psy. I just read the article. Why does this issue (quoted below--from the article) keep coming up? I thought it was addressed.

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Paco Ahlgren already have his sites up again and he made a new article about bitcoin.

Read it here: http://coinbits.com/note/the-future-of-bitcoin-and-digital-currencies-paco-ahlgren/


Thank you for the update, psy. I just read the article. Why does this issue (quoted below--from the article) keep coming up? I thought it was addressed.

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That was the only lame excuse he could find to remove his public support for bitcoin Cheesy

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That was the only lame excuse he could find to remove his public support for bitcoin Cheesy
Paco's excuse is so strange.

There are many people at this forum who don't yet understand why the 21 million coin limit is not a problem, and how Bitcoin could function with absolutely any pre-specified limit, but Paco Ahlgren has the knowledge, intelligence and background to understand this perfectly, and I'm sure he does understand it.

Very, very odd.
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That was the only lame excuse he could find to remove his public support for bitcoin Cheesy
Paco's excuse is so strange.

There are many people at this forum who don't yet understand why the 21 million coin limit is not a problem, and how Bitcoin could function with absolutely any pre-specified limit, but Paco Ahlgren has the knowledge, intelligence and background to understand this perfectly, and I'm sure he does understand it.

Very, very odd.

I thought the exact same thing when I read it.  Very odd indeed.
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Taken from the last comment on Paco's article:
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Oh how funny that you guys would fall into this trap! Do you REALLY think that Paco Ahlgren doesn't know how to properly spell Satoshi Nakamoto's name? Or better yet, do you really think that he doesn't know the value of bitcoin? Please. This is all part of the game. You're reacting exactly how he wants you to react. Take the bait and sink suckers.

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Satoshi definitely saw this as a strike against the malignant forces that national fiat currencies and the parasitic monetary/finance system has become.

Enslaving us all in unpayable debts and endless taxation for wars and bankster bonuses ... it is now a criminal system that will go down in history and those at top aren't doing squat to change it, except personal enrichment. (Oh but we are chasing bad guys playing poker online, trading goldbits and smoking weed on their couches ... whatta a load of BS).

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I am Satoshi Nakamoto  Smiley

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Satoshi is the owner of Meze Grill. He just wanted to sell more pitas...

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Satoshi is the owner of Meze Grill. He just wanted to sell more pitas...

LOL I was coming to say just this  Grin
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I already revealed Satoishi's identity a few weeks ago in the Newbies forum!

It's ....



Ben Bernanke!

He can't come forward publicly for obvious reasons.

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It's the guy from the Dharma Initiative!
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Maybe he is Phil Zimmerman, the creator of PGP?
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If I could be two people I'd be Bernanke and Satoshi. How could you lose? It's the ultimate epic hedge.

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Maybe he is Phil Zimmerman, the creator of PGP?

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Why hasn't anybody done this yet? I searched bitcoin.com on archive.org, read what was written in 2009, then arrived at the following:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electronic-Payment-commerce-computer-security/dp/1580532683



Authors: Donal O'Mahony;  Michael Peirce; Hitesh Tewari.

I find it amazing that not a one of them has yet to pen a word about Bitcoin giving the book they published.

I do find this fascinating: http://www.davy.ie/Generic?page=davysnewsresearch

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In the international bond and currency arena, our global strategist, Donal O' Mahony, has developed a broad-based following for his consistent and accurate commentary on macroeconomic and financial market trends.

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Why hasn't anybody done this yet? I searched bitcoin.com on archive.org, read what was written in 2009, then arrived at the following:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electronic-Payment-commerce-computer-security/dp/1580532683



Authors: Donal O'Mahony;  Michael Peirce; Hitesh Tewari.

I find it amazing that not a one of them has yet to pen a word about Bitcoin giving the book they published.

I do find this fascinating: http://www.davy.ie/Generic?page=davysnewsresearch

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http://65.54.113.26/Author/1718958/donal-o-mahony

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I never really used archive.org extensively, but why when clicking on the back link archive.org gives the results for ivntech.com?

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Donal O’Mahony
University of Dublin Trinity College

Isn't this the school where Michael Clear studied?
His teacher maybe? Wink

The pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit lol

It shows ivntech.com because probably that domain got taken down and redirected with a 301 to bitcoin.com on a later date. It's just a guess, but it's what makes most sense, despite ivntech.com being online (or just registered) again since 2007

EDIT: Oh shit Moment: TwoHop: Metric-Based Trust Evaluation for Peer-to-Peer Collaboration Environments 2008

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or Michael Pierce is his student who produced this ...

http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/228/

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We may never know who Satoshi is(and do we really want to know?), but I think it's starting to be clear where Bitcoin was invented: University of Dublin Trinity College

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or Michael Pierce is his student who produced this ...

http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/228/

To be clear, even though the other thread I just created is in reference to marcus_of_augustus's post (quoted) and is time stamped one minute later, I was not aware of this post when I pen the OP of the new thread. If that were not the case, I would've stated it as such.

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IMO the best proof we could get would be obtained by doing an extensive bibliographic research on the topic. Then :

- Compare writing style in paper (difficult, since there's never one person to write a paper)
- Compare figures, and trying to find out which software was used to generate them (again not the best proof, but still informative)
- Get source code examples from the articles, and compare it with Satoshi style. Mostly in comments, and in the naming of functions/variables.

Something odd about the satoshi whitepaper is that there's no Fig # below the figures. That's something most researcher automatically do while writing, which could suggest a young one, not used to write papers.

Anyway, we'll never be sure, and that's ok with me. Whoever you are, thanks dude Wink

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The concepts in the paper
http://www.w3.org/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/228/

are clearly related to bitcoin and online cash but I would say are an iteration or two beforehand, they all are based on client-server models (like Open Transactions). The peer-to-peer (decentralisation) crucial (and most brilliant) step of bitcoin has come along after, or entirely separately, I would guess.

The forth-like script stuff for the tx is someone experienced with thinking in very low level network functionality (big endian) ...

Holy Trinity, O'Mahony, Pierce and Clear? Smiley

Who knows, who really cares anyway? Godspeed to whoever it is.

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What if Satoshi works for Yahoo! oppose to Google? I'm referring to Peter Stern who wrote this White Paper: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:soGU-gM9X_MJ:www.cs.rutgers.edu/~iftode/smph04.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgYWo0Xy8UB3qDWt0gG8pWhSKSHlVWy0AbnckchB5VQChrWmP_kV7nE-rKz4tCLbCsskFFYIVCg4C0M_OH7AfJGPesxv_qdTAnaKlSSMIASnHTvgQAE1SLHqhQFv0_22-B1YZ0N&sig=AHIEtbQbovrLX0gr_a25V8pw5NyGOT9QCA as well as this: http://discolab.rutgers.edu/smartphone/Bill-README

In it, you'll read about millicents of which you'll find in the table of contents in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Payment-Systems-Computer-Science/dp/0890069255/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331348298&sr=1-1

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For those curious as to why Satoshi Nakamoto opt to become mysterious, perhaps the answer lies here: http://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box.html (for what it's worth, you won't be disappointed)

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We will know who Satoshi Nakamoto is the day he chooses to reveal himself (for example, by revealing the private key that can redeem the generation transaction from the genesis block). Until that happens, all we can do is guess - and we won't know if we are right.

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We will know who Satoshi Nakamoto is the day he chooses to reveal himself (for example, by revealing the private key that can redeem the generation transaction from the genesis block). Until that happens, all we can do is guess - and we won't know if we are right.

somehow i think the percieved value of those first 50 bitcoins is much higher than $5 per btc.

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Note: When I first joined this forum I made a post in the Newbie thread, "Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?". Since this thread has the same title I'll repeat my post here because it's relevant.

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Oshi, which means “Push,” is inspired by a Japanese legend in which the Goddess Amaterasu gifted the first Japanese emperor with her ancient wisdom, in the form of a game. The game is said to have taught the emperor and his court to temper their influence and power with caution.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/23935/oshi

There is even a reference to low earth orbit debris that might give some kind of geo positional location.  Lips sealed

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because government can make the law against bitcoins, when it become enough popular that government become crazy about hidden money (unpaid taxes), and satoshi can finish in the prison or he can be hunted by police.
Maybe Bitcoins were created because the enforcement of Laws were unjust already.

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I know who Satoshi is about as well as the next guy does. Smiley

I do, however, have a theory that he could be Phil Zimmerman of PGP fame. But he probably isn't.

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its jed mccaleb probably
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I know who Satoshi is about as well as the next guy does. Smiley

I do, however, have a theory that he could be Phil Zimmerman of PGP fame. But he probably isn't.

Thank you, wise sage.
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Anything bitcoin related that is shrouded in mystery can be an intriguing subject and a great way to bring up cryptocurrency at any party.
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Could it really be him?Huh
http://www.linkedin.com/in/satoshinakamoto
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It could be, but probably not. Smiley

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He's Bill Murray, but no one ever believes it.

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I have a guess as to where he was on a particular weekend last millennium...

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Simple answer: Chuck Norris...
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We will know who Satoshi Nakamoto is the day he chooses to reveal himself (for example, by revealing the private key that can redeem the generation transaction from the genesis block). Until that happens, all we can do is guess - and we won't know if we are right.

He wouldn't even need to reveal his actual private key, just use it to sign a message saying "here I am."  So long as the public key in the signature hashes to the address that received the genesis block reward, then Q.E.D.

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I have a guess as to where he was on a particular weekend last millennium...

Please, no more hints, otherwise the surprise slated to be revealed at Bitcoin2013 will be all in vain.  Wink

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By the way, as anyone ever suggested Satoshi makes a AMA on reddit?

If he really wants to stay anonymous, I guess he could use ToR.
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Al Gore is Satoshi.

Do not waste your time debating whether Bitcoin can work. It does work.

"Early adopters will profit" is not a sufficient condition to classify something as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme. If it was, Apple and Microsoft stock are Ponzi schemes.

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SAmsung TOSHIba NAKaminchi Apple MOTOrola
       
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In all seriousness, it might be Max Keiser.


Though he personally denies it. I know he's a clever kinda finance techy guy, but is it possible he's not quite that clever? 'Cause Satoshi's a phreaking genius of Turingesque proportions, and Bitcoin is one of the biggest spit stirrers since JFK's red bills.

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it is amusing that so many people think that satoshi must be some 'famous' figure, as if the talent pool to assemble bitcoin's technologies was so small. that is a strange application of the availability heuristic and obviously an irrational guess. the world is big. nobody, when encountering emule or bittorrent, said 'this must have been created by someone i've heard of' - and they wouldn't have done even if the creators of those platforms had been anonymous.

actually, the more remarkable features of bitcoin's development are its creativity and its sensitive use of various arbitrary constants that turned out to fit reality exceptionally well. perhaps some of that was a lucky accident, but it bears noting that several choices satoshi made turned out to be very good ones.

it's very likely satoshi was unknown - a quant developer with significant systems experience at some city financial firm. it is also possible that he has some experience, and was known to, those in some corners of the open-source-software world. past experience with distributed systems and security would make candidates more likely. he was not a crypto expert, which you can tell from reading his postings carefully. (he was knowledgeable in the use of crypto but not its development.) he was clearly not an attention seeker, which indeed makes the 'famous' candidates absurdly unlikely.
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The first thing Satoshi will have to do after announcing he is Satoshi is pay a bunch of income tax on his genesis coins.
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Somebody needs to put together "The Writing of Satoshi Nakamoto" book so that we can judge for ourselves.

Yes, printed up as a small yellow-covered paperback it could be "The Thoughts of Master Satoshi" known as "Satoshi's Little Yellow Book". It would be carried through the streets worldwide by thousands of young protestors from the various "occupy" movements in their struggle against the evil bankers.

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John Galt.
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truth be told... yes itz me!  Wink

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~1.2M BTC which is currently worth $135,360,000.00 USD

Nice try, but no. They aren't worth that much.

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~1.2M BTC which is currently worth $135,360,000.00 USD

Nice try, but no. They aren't worth that much.

.00 is a decimal. Also price went up, 1,200,000 BTC is now worth $148,320,000 USD for whoever mined those early coins and never spent them. Wonder what kind of ID you have to provide to cash that out on MtGox
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I think Satoshi Nakamoto is really John Titor.

That IBM 5100 came in handy after all....

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I think Satoshi Nakamoto is really John Titor.

That IBM 5100 came in handy after all....

Agree.

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His name is Robert Paulson.

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Serious question: IF someone were to ever step up to claim they are Satoshi Nakamoto, is there anything built into bitcoin that would work as undeniable proof? i.e. is there a known public key that would allow verification of a signed message?
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Serious question: IF someone were to ever step up to claim they are Satoshi Nakamoto, is there anything built into bitcoin that would work as undeniable proof? i.e. is there a known public key that would allow verification of a signed message?

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Max Keiser is Nakamoto  Tongue

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His name is Robert Paulson.

His name is Robert Paulson.

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His name is Robert Paulson.

His name is Robert Paulson.

His name is Robert Paulson.

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SAmsung TOSHIba NAKaminchi Apple MOTOrola
       
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                  SATOSHI NAKAMOTO

In all seriousness, it might be Max Keiser.

That's what Ive been thinking.

There was an interview with Keiser by that guy with the gravel voice  Alex Jones. He put it straight to him "Are you Satoshi?" and he kept evading the question. 

And Keiser is the one who's going orgasmic over the Bitcoin rise right now. Why? Because "Satoshi" will be the one who started out with a big hoard of Bitcoins kept for himself.

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Max Keiser is Nakamoto  Tongue

If not Max... then it has to be, Roger Waters !

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His name is Robert Paulson.

His name is Robert Paulson.

His name is Robert Paulson.

Actually, I hear that it might be Robert Paulson.

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surely not Hank fucking Paulson

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anyone notice that Keiser looks a bit japanese?
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I did.

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There's a guess that the former owner of MtGox could be him ...

http://www.bitquestion.com/question/1/satoshi-nakamoto

Read the top answer. sounds credible to me (mtgox in japan, satoshi's japan fascination, ex-owner of gox also created donkey client which is a p2p thing) - many good reasons behind the guess
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So is this Satoshi a person? Or a group? Or has this been determined yet.

I have come to understand a lot more about BitCoin, and it's reason for being; however, has the 'who is the creator' actually been answered?

I see references to groups, individuals, even the range of the founder of MTGox through Max Keiser. Is this still a mystery? Or has there be a resolution?

If it has not been answered, perhaps a look at the language itself; I am trying to determine if perhaps it's more, possibly.

When I look at Satoshi Nakamoto, and I have seen in an above post that this maybe a jumble of corporate names, but:

Could it be that Satoshi, was meant to be: Shatoshi?  In which case (Sha) (to) (shi) would translate to: "I am with the database"; and Nakamoto 'could' be seen to translate as, when the characters are seperated to individual kana: (na)=do (ka)=you (mo)=as well (to)=and.

In which case "SHA"toshi Nakamoto could be interpreted to say: "I am with the database (Network/system/source.. etc)" "and you should be to; or -And you should be aswell"; which would entirely support the philosophy of use and useage and community and trust.

This little unit now declared/known as the "satoshi" or the "shatoshi" would then as well be part of the "I am with the database", no? As a Unit?

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He's just this guy, you know?

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He's just this guy, you know?

Yeah, just some guy on the internet, ya know?

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https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=163

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This is why whoever Satoshi really is can never out himself.
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Satoshi is someone who is sad his invention is now being used by greedy mofo's trying to get rich off the next greedy mofo's instead of real trade

that's why he left in 2010 anyway, read his last comments
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Has anyone considered the possibility that proudhon might be Satoshi trolling around just for laughs?  Cheesy

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Has anyone considered the possibility that proudhon might be Satoshi trolling around just for laughs?  Cheesy


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Satoshi is someone who is sad his invention is now being used by greedy mofo's trying to get rich off the next greedy mofo's instead of real trade

don't think so. He predicted specialized hardware (ASICs). That means he predicted greed.

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Satoshi is someone who is sad his invention is now being used by greedy mofo's trying to get rich off the next greedy mofo's instead of real trade

don't think so. He predicted specialized hardware (ASICs). That means he predicted greed.

He also spoke in parables. You should read the Bitcoin whitepaper sometime.

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Satoshi is legion XD

but seriously, he's probably a member of the bitcoin foundation.

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He also spoke in parables. You should read the Bitcoin whitepaper sometime.

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Don't you roll your eyes at me, young man!

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Don't you roll your eyes at me, young man!

 Shocked I apologize I didn't immediately recognize you, Sir Nakamoto! Good masquerade!

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Don't you roll your eyes at me, young man!

 Shocked I apologize I didn't immediately recognize you, Sir Nakamoto! Good masquerade!

Thank you. I think every forum member should be accused of being Satoshi Nakamoto at least once in their lives. Thanks for being my first, Sato- ....er Hertzmeister.

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Satoshi is someone who is sad his invention is now being used by greedy mofo's trying to get rich off the next greedy mofo's instead of real trade

that's why he left in 2010 anyway, read his last comments
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Satoshi Nakamoto is an harmonic wave that balances the equation, who he is is irrelevant really, it doesn't really matter to the people who think on the grand scheme of things. If he wouldn't do it then someone else would, perhaps a year, two, maybe even ten or a hundred down the road.

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If that's even his name. Just read the bitcoin wiki on him and I'm amazed. Nobody knows him.

Long time passed since he last posted in here. Why? "Busy"? I don't think so. He was active when bitcoin needed support but since the slashdot...
Also, it seems has knowledge in many areas, especially economy. He doesn't act like the average human. Not taking advantage out of his creation, leaving without telling anything. Is he even a single person or a group?

How can someone create something so great and not stepping out to get the credit?

I've been curious about this.  Nobody that I know of, knows.  But there's some clues.  I have some good guesses.  Minds like Satoshi may come along only a few times in a generation.

Group or individual?

Both! 

I believe the lions share of satohsi's work was done by a single genius.

Certainly he was helped in places, but I think that was sparing rather than a proper group effort.

Nationality?

Almost certainly a british mathematician.   

There's clues he has lived in germany and japan.  His gmx address (common in germany) is linked to his public GPG key.

Background?

Satoshi is the top class of top class mathematicians.  He's also an incredible programmer.  He's certainly been around the crypto comunity for many years.  He has good competency in accountancy and economics.

Education?

You'll have to trust me on this one.  The British school system is such that almost all of the top mathematical talent are sent to Cambridge.  In fact, to a specific college, Trinity.  Satoshi was almost certainly of this calibre.  I know this sounds speculative, but it would be like predicting Messi played in La Liga.

I wonder if he did a PhD

Satoshi has also self educated in many fields and been in and around the mailing lists

Age?

Unknown but almost certainly above 30.  The 37 age he gave may be close, so he'd be around about 40 now.

Profession?

This is the hardest of all.  Did he become an academic?  Did he work in a big accountancy firm.  Or an investment bank.  Did he become a programmer. 


Almost no one knows but him ... and maybe a very small circle ... I'd love to find out, and look forward to his return!
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I've been curious about this.  Nobody that I know of, knows.  But there's some clues.  I have some good guesses.  Minds like Satoshi may come along only a few times in a generation.

Group or individual?

Both! 

I believe the lions share of satohsi's work was done by a single genius.

Certainly he was helped in places, but I think that was sparing rather than a proper group effort.

Nationality?

Almost certainly a british mathematician.   

There's clues he has lived in germany and japan.  His gmx address (common in germany) is linked to his public GPG key.

Background?

Satoshi is the top class of top class mathematicians.  He's also an incredible programmer.  He's certainly been around the crypto comunity for many years.  He has good competency in accountancy and economics.

Education?

You'll have to trust me on this one.  The British school system is such that almost all of the top mathematical talent are sent to Cambridge.  In fact, to a specific college, Trinity.  Satoshi was almost certainly of this calibre.  I know this sounds speculative, but it would be like predicting Messi played in La Liga.

I wonder if he did a PhD

Satoshi has also self educated in many fields and been in and around the mailing lists

Age?

Unknown but almost certainly above 30.  The 37 age he gave may be close, so he'd be around about 40 now.

Profession?

This is the hardest of all.  Did he become an academic?  Did he work in a big accountancy firm.  Or an investment bank.  Did he become a programmer. 


Almost no one knows but him ... and maybe a very small circle ... I'd love to find out, and look forward to his return!

Great post!
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Nup, I don't trust you cause I know a thing or two about this and you're off the mark  Smiley. Too narrow. There are a few colleges at both Oxford and Cambridge that could be considered ... could be US German French also if you are going to narrowly focus on math skills only. And after all that, maybe the math skills were self-taught and the other stuff was training?

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i just noticed something in reading satoshi's old posts on the cypherpunk mailing list: he uses two spaces after a full stop, not just one. i don't have hard data, but i believe this practice correlates strongly with age. that is, i suspect very few people younger than 35 have learnt to type that way.
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i just noticed something in reading satoshi's old posts on the cypherpunk mailing list: he uses two spaces after a full stop, not just one. i don't have hard data, but i believe this practice correlates strongly with age. that is, i suspect very few people younger than 35 have learnt to type that way.

Arent there supposed to be programs that now claim to be able to anaylse and detect with reasonable accuracy if a piece of content comes from the same person as another piece or not?

In other words, get hold of some written material from eg Max Keiser and other suspects, and put it through the program together with Satoshi's posts and see how they compare.

Wonder if this program is available somewhere on the web, either as a web based service or else as a downloadable install...


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i just noticed something in reading satoshi's old posts on the cypherpunk mailing list: he uses two spaces after a full stop, not just one. i don't have hard data, but i believe this practice correlates strongly with age. that is, i suspect very few people younger than 35 have learnt to type that way.

He may have been doing that just to throw you off, though. Unlike most ways of modifying your speech patters, that's very easy to do.

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He may have been doing that just to throw you off, though. Unlike most ways of modifying your speech patters, that's very easy to do.

heh. anything's possible, but i've never been a conspiracy theorist. in fact, i doubt this sort of disguise would occur to most younger people.
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Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

In the year 2140 A.D., corporations and bankers ruled the world without mercy.  The masses were penniless and without hope. Death was the only liberation for every new-serf brought into that world.  "Decent" people never lived below the 60th floor.

Much to the disappointments of his ridiculing associates, a professor by the name of Satoshi secretly tolled for years envisioning a world that could have been different - one that was not so desperately dystopian, where the dreams of many were not robbed away by the greed of the few.  

Eventually, Satoshi had gained contact with underground rebel forces and a new resistance was forged.  They fought their way to the heavily guarded Nakamoto Industries, to find the rumored quantum-computer that ping messages back in time.  A template was backloaded to the year 2008, when 3D printing was still in its infancy -- where a 3D-printed clone of Satoshi emerged.

But moments before the clone could initiate the upload of his P2P currency exchange program, his unstable form disintegrated into dust.  A blinking cursor and an enter key was all which stood between two very different futures.

Satoshi (circa 2140) was arrested and submitted for execution without trial.  Staring down the barrels of death, a smile came over his face - one filled with such hopeful optimism not witnessed by mankind for over a 100 years.  Unsure of what to make of this, the 502's - the bankers' private gestapo unit - squeezed the triggers.

Suddenly, in a blink of an eye, the vanguards of fiat and stolen wealth faded out of existence.  These elites and their mega-structures crumbled under their own weight; they flew off into the wind... as irrelevant as footprints in the sands of time.  Perhaps by luck, The Resistance's plan succeeded -- someone pushed the enter key, causing a Ripple that changed the past and thus time itself.  

Man's darkest hours at the hands of bankers had been undone, his chains were finally shattered.  

The once regulated were now freed.

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So you're saying Satoshi is John Titor? That's not very helpful, you know.

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It's not hard to work out who drafted the white paper, what is less easy to understand is how many were on the team.

Edit: has anyone else got as far as I have?

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It's not hard to work out who drafted the white paper, what is less easy to understand is how many were on the team.

Edit: has anyone else got as far as I have?

Go on ... you seem intent on making an impression, let's hear what you got?

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This is why whoever Satoshi really is can never out himself.

As if the NSA/CIA/FBI don't know exactly who he is...
Seal Team 6 could take him out in 48 hours...
And confiscate his pr0n collection.
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If that's even his name.

No, his real name is Edward M. Scheidt.
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Since he is not a well known person one can't know who he is unless they know him personally. The only way to know who he is; is to find out what other new work he has done aside from bitcoin.
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This is why whoever Satoshi really is can never out himself.

As if the NSA/CIA/FBI don't know exactly who he is...
Seal Team 6 could take him out in 48 hours...
And confiscate his pr0n collection.

Lol. Yeah. I think another forum member was able to figure out who he is (or they are) using google, which was confirmed by the mods who asked him to keep quiet; the CIA aren't going to have much trouble finding someone at least as capable as randomforumguy.

But as we know, Satoshi is no threat to anyone now, he shot his load. The only scenario in which some government might want a word (killed? lmao noobs) is if he became a heroic symbol of the anti-statists who hang out here, such symbols can be crushed as a warning to others. Perhaps even worse than this is getting 1000 messages a day from the degraded sort that hang around here, asking for money, advice, sexual favours, press interviews. Nobody wants to arrive home to find their cat missing and see a ransom note demanding 'gazillions of bitcoins or kitty gets it.'

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Thanks dude. Just thought this forum would benefit from people lightening up a bit. Every other post here is almost too serious and too dark. We need a bit of fun and fantasy with BTC's to make it approachable.

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So you're saying Satoshi is John Titor? That's not very helpful, you know.

I just wrote that as a joke, to get people to relax a bit about who or what Satoshi could or could not be.

I believe that it's best we respect Satoshi's wish to remain anonymous, being that anonymity is one of the protocol's notable features.

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it's best we respect Satoshi's wish to remain anonymous, being that anonymity is one of the protocol's notable features.

I see what you did there...
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I believe that it's best we respect Satoshi's wish to remain anonymous, being that anonymity is one of the protocol's notable features.


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So you're saying Satoshi is John Titor? That's not very helpful, you know.

I just wrote that as a joke, to get people to relax a bit about who or what Satoshi could or could not be.

I believe that it's best we respect Satoshi's wish to remain anonymous, being that anonymity is one of the protocol's notable features.

Uhhhhh ..... you do know the whole "John Titor" thing is a joke, don't you? I'm sorry you took my comment seriously. I'll get the hang of emoticons one day, I promise.

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So you're saying Satoshi is John Titor? That's not very helpful, you know.

I just wrote that as a joke, to get people to relax a bit about who or what Satoshi could or could not be.

I believe that it's best we respect Satoshi's wish to remain anonymous, being that anonymity is one of the protocol's notable features.

Uhhhhh ..... you do know the whole "John Titor" thing is a joke, don't you? I'm sorry you took my comment seriously. I'll get the hang of emoticons one day, I promise.

Yes I'm aware of the whole John Titor thing. It's fun sci-fi stuff.

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satoshi wrote a paper with some clever maths in it. then helped develop V1 of the client.....

so why would the CIA/FBI want to find him?

all of his calculations and coding is open source so its not like he has any coding secrets that prevent governments doing anything differently..(thats the beauty of open source)

and if the governments want to take over bitcoin they would just start paying gavin andresen and chums a salary.

Satoshi's importance from a government prospective is irrelevant.

but from a Nobel prize or historical point of view only there would be reason to want to know who satoshi is, just to give the guy a pat on the back for a job well done

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This is why we can never know who Satoshi is. Satoshi is an idea not a man

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This is why we can never know who Satoshi is. Satoshi is an idea not a man
pretty sure he was a man
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This is why we can never know who Satoshi is. Satoshi is an idea not a man
pretty sure he was a man

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Satoshi could have been a woman. A group of hackers. It doesn't matter. He is all of us now. He is an idea

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Satoshi could have been a woman. A group of hackers. It doesn't matter. He is all of us now. He is an idea
'All of us'
99% here only cares about bitcoin price in USD $, not bitcoin itself

Pretty sure Satoshi is not a woman, a woman can't be so dedicated to such project over an extended period of time. Show me one historical proof that a woman voluntarily worked years on a scientific experiment in such a dedicated way that would or would not be successful to a broader audience. Don't want to be disrespectful, just showing that men and women are not the same in this world, we have inherent different motivations in this world.

Satoshi wasn't a group either. He speaks as one, acts as one, codes as one, he is one.

maybe some criminals care to transact thru bitcoin, but apart from this it has no added value to the common good. in fact, it has anti-value (permanent energy sink).

I hope for the sake of cryptocurrencies, Satoshi is working on a non Energy consuming p2p currency.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

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Worked at a university -> got paid -> not voluntarily (projects must be approved)

You can only break my theory by showing that Satoshi got paid to make Bitcoin... which would add some whole different 'layer' to bitcoin that probably no one here would like to know about if it exists
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Oh man, not touching this one

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This is why we can never know who Satoshi is.

So we can all get crucified?  Wink

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I believe the statement "we cannot prove the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto" is unprovable.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0

This is why we can never know who Satoshi is.

So we can all get crucified?  Wink

Only the disciples, fed to the lions in Guantanamo for any other evil-doers spreading the word.

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I'm glad you missed the entire dramatic point of Spartacus. I am sad now

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Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet

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Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet


Nah, it's a lot easier than that for him to prove it was him. He would just sign a message with his PGP key and that would confirm it.

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Satoshi is certainly here and observing how his baby is developing.
When the world has accepted bitcoin, he might reveal his true identity.

If someone claimed he is Satoshi, would you believe him?

To prove his identity he needs to at least:
-send one bitcoin from his original wallet to a new wallet.
-discuss cryptography with experts so his competency can be proven
-show personal projects, documents and mail conversations that has not been publicized yet

He must be a well-known person...
Who previously developed a complex distributed network IN THE REAL WORLD...
No one just comes out of no where and designs BTC on a napkin...
"Graduate students" don't know shit...
That's why the eDonkey thing is such a great clue.
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That's why the eDonkey thing is such a great clue.
Oh come on, seriously? Jed didn't even design MtGox to use true decimal arithmetic. He needed to be (figuratively) dragged kicking and screaming away from his floats. No way he had anything to do with the design of Bitcoin.
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That's why the eDonkey thing is such a great clue.
Oh come on, seriously? Jed didn't even design MtGox to use true decimal arithmetic. He needed to be (figuratively) dragged kicking and screaming away from his floats. No way he had anything to do with the design of Bitcoin.

Didn't say he did.

But the person who designed Bitcoin didn't just pull it out of his ass...
He must of designed something serious in the Real World previously...
And made a lot of mistakes, etc...

It's usually your 3rd or 4th business that hits...
Your 1st business becoming a hot startup is a complete myth.
 
You don't just design the iPhone in "grad school"...
Jobs took 30 years to go Apple II, Mac, Next, Pixar, iPhone.
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April 22, 2013, 03:03:43 PM