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January 23, 2015, 08:20:23 PM
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I see there have been several rumors and misinformation regarding this digital currency in Ecuador.
As an Ecuadorian, I thought it'd be useful to post some facts:

Ecuador's currency is the US dollar since the year 2000 and that won't change at the moment.

A project to create a new  digital or even crypto currency does not exist.

What will happen in about one month or so is that people in Ecuador (myself included) will be able to create accounts in the Central Bank of Ecuador from our mobile phones.

We'll be able to make payments (i.e. transfers to another account) using our mobile phones only; we'll be able to make deposits on hundreds (thousands?) of points; and we'll be able to withdraw money from the same points, plus all the existing ATMs. Everybody will be able to send and receive payments this way, so we won't need to carry cash anymore.

What's new here is that these accounts are accessible from the mobile phone only, and no Internet connection or smartphone will be required (everything will be via USSD). The idea is to allow everybody to hold an account, even the poorest ones.

Also, because almost all Ecuadorians will have an account in the Central Bank of Ecuador, the Government will be able to use the money held in that Central Bank, effectively issuing virtual money (which is a common practice of all the banks in the world, nothing new here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg_1iXbIjFQ).

This digital currency will still be US dollars. There is no new currency involved.


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January 23, 2015, 09:47:54 PM
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Specific cryptos for countries is a dumb concept, as demonstrated by AUR and the rest of knockouts. We have Bitcoin, a currency for planet earth. Everything else is deprecated.
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January 24, 2015, 04:56:42 AM
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Thanks for the insightful information. It was nice of you to clear that up. Smiley
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January 24, 2015, 04:58:51 AM
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Mobile battery sales will go up in Ecuador.

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January 25, 2015, 01:42:28 AM
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And now they can print dollars. That's what they have been eager to do all the time.
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January 25, 2015, 08:33:43 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up.
The media got their story all screwed up.
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January 25, 2015, 09:09:50 AM
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Specific cryptos for countries is a dumb concept, as demonstrated by AUR and the rest of knockouts. We have Bitcoin, a currency for planet earth. Everything else is deprecated.

Having a universal currency would be the best thing to happen. But again with bitcoin, some form of inequality in terms of distribution will exist.

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January 25, 2015, 11:27:06 AM
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Specific cryptos for countries is a dumb concept, as demonstrated by AUR and the rest of knockouts. We have Bitcoin, a currency for planet earth. Everything else is deprecated.

Having a universal currency would be the best thing to happen. But again with bitcoin, some form of inequality in terms of distribution will exist.

It's only money, the creator and supporters do not shoot for an "to everyone based on need" society. The fiat systems of the current world does not either, in fact it is designed to steal from the widows and fatherless, pumping new money into the oligarks' pockets at an exponentially growing rate.


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January 25, 2015, 01:59:03 PM
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Specific cryptos for countries is a dumb concept, as demonstrated by AUR and the rest of knockouts. We have Bitcoin, a currency for planet earth. Everything else is deprecated.

Having a universal currency would be the best thing to happen. But again with bitcoin, some form of inequality in terms of distribution will exist.

Inequality will exists forever this has been discussed a lot. If you are there first supporting -> you take bigger risks -> you get more reward. Law of life.
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January 26, 2015, 06:13:14 AM
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And now they can print dollars. That's what they have been eager to do all the time.

Great. A bank run would now mean a run on the Government.
Wonder how this would play out.  Grin
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January 26, 2015, 08:58:53 AM
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That's very detailed information thank you, yes a lot of people spread pure bullshit around here so it's nice to get someone reliable explaining things, there's plenty of more legitimate rumours I have heard of countries that are going purely digital or at the very least plan to. I personally wouldn't rule out the idea of some fancy new 'world' currency or something coming out that will save us all as Max Keiser predicts but I'm not sure that a lot of countries will even last that long to be able to implement it.
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January 27, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
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I see there have been several rumors and misinformation regarding this digital currency in Ecuador.
As an Ecuadorian, I thought it'd be useful to post some facts:

Ecuador's currency is the US dollar since the year 2000 and that won't change at the moment.

A project to create a new  digital or even crypto currency does not exist.

What will happen in about one month or so is that people in Ecuador (myself included) will be able to create accounts in the Central Bank of Ecuador from our mobile phones.

We'll be able to make payments (i.e. transfers to another account) using our mobile phones only; we'll be able to make deposits on hundreds (thousands?) of points; and we'll be able to withdraw money from the same points, plus all the existing ATMs. Everybody will be able to send and receive payments this way, so we won't need to carry cash anymore.

What's new here is that these accounts are accessible from the mobile phone only, and no Internet connection or smartphone will be required (everything will be via USSD). The idea is to allow everybody to hold an account, even the poorest ones.

Also, because almost all Ecuadorians will have an account in the Central Bank of Ecuador, the Government will be able to use the money held in that Central Bank, effectively issuing virtual money (which is a common practice of all the banks in the world, nothing new here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg_1iXbIjFQ).

This digital currency will still be US dollars. There is no new currency involved.



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thanks for the information. 

Can you tell us your experience, is there anybody using public currencies in ecuador or is it really all corporate fiat? 
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January 27, 2015, 01:58:58 PM
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*face palm*

thanks for the information. 

Can you tell us your experience, is there anybody using public currencies in ecuador or is it really all corporate fiat? 

When this new project was announced the Government banned all the digital currencies other than U.S. dollars,
so no one is using BTC or other cryptos (at least publicly and very little privately in my experience).

The digital $ will be used in about one month so nobody is using it yet. I'll post an update when it's publicly available.



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January 27, 2015, 02:24:33 PM
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*face palm*

thanks for the information. 

Can you tell us your experience, is there anybody using public currencies in ecuador or is it really all corporate fiat? 

When this new project was announced the Government banned all the digital currencies other than U.S. dollars,
so no one is using BTC or other cryptos (at least publicly and very little privately in my experience).

The digital $ will be used in about one month so nobody is using it yet. I'll post an update when it's publicly available.



Thanks for your reply.  I visited Ecuador once and loved the country, it was just after USD had arrived there.  Hearing news of the "ban" meant little to me, we heard about China banning bitcoin and the truth was it was actually easier to use and more common there.  What does this mean as a ban?  Are people going to jail for running nodes?  Any internet monitoring to report?  Cheers --   
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January 27, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
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Thanks for your reply.  I visited Ecuador once and loved the country, it was just after USD had arrived there.  Hearing news of the "ban" meant little to me, we heard about China banning bitcoin and the truth was it was actually easier to use and more common there.  What does this mean as a ban?  Are people going to jail for running nodes?  Any internet monitoring to report?  Cheers --   

You should come and visit it again! I think it has improved a lot in the last 15 years.

It's forbidden to buy or sell anything with digital currencies other than dollars.
The punishment is seizing both the currency and the goods. There's no jail at least.

I haven't heard of any case of seizing anything yet.
I guess that's because bitcoins weren't very common here anyway before the ban.
It wasn't very easy to buy bitcoins or find a place to spend them. And, with the ban, that
kind of services can't be publicly announced so it can't growth.

Running a node, mining or holding coins is not explicitly banned.
Only transacting it is forbidden at the moment.


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March 04, 2015, 01:05:21 AM
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Just an update:

Accounts can be created since December 2014. However they can be really used to send and receive money since last week.

At the moment there are only ~7,000 accounts so it's not very popular at all.

200 points among banks, restaurants, stores accept the electronic dollars. However most of them haven't made a single transaction yet.

Let's see how this goes. Apparently there won't be a significant change.

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March 04, 2015, 05:02:10 AM
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This seems like a good step anyway.. Perhaps someday Ecuador will accept the cryptocurrency, the benefits of the government issuing their own crypto is just too good... Thanks for the clear up on the news.
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March 04, 2015, 05:05:43 AM
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Seems ripe to use BitUSD
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March 04, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
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Specific cryptos for countries is a dumb concept, as demonstrated by AUR and the rest of knockouts. We have Bitcoin, a currency for planet earth. Everything else is deprecated.

Specific cryptos for counties would be a very good idea imho, it would make trading in and out of fiat a hell of a lot quicker and simpler but if cryptos really take off it could be very important. In a worst case scenario it could destabilise nations risking poverty for millions so they should really be a considering implementing them. Governments have the monopoly on taxation and could issue without the cost of middlemen, a transparent system based on previously successful uses of scrip could hugely increase cost effectiveness, efficiency and trust.

Thanks for clearing that up EcuaMobi, sounds like they're doing it all wrong but news was kind of vague.
I still dont see the point, just use Bitcoin and stop mentally masturbating with useless alts IMO.
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March 04, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
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Just an update:

Accounts can be created since December 2014. However they can be really used to send and receive money since last week.

At the moment there are only ~7,000 accounts so it's not very popular at all.

200 points among banks, restaurants, stores accept the electronic dollars. However most of them haven't made a single transaction yet.

Let's see how this goes. Apparently there won't be a significant change.


The possibility of rapid increase in price, universal acceptance, large community - these are things which make Bitcoin successful.
Somebody should tell the Ecuador government that.
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