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Title: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Get.BTC.Now on March 24, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
Bitcoin To Be Shutdown In Ukraine?
http://bitforum.info/t/bitcoin-to-be-shutdown-in-ukraine/652

These people really cant see how bitcoin could help them.

I think its better to regulate bitcoin (in Ukraine) and get all the money by using it instead of shutting it down.



Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 24, 2015, 01:18:59 PM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care. 

http://agaunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2014-CRIMEA-05.jpg

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

http://calvinayre.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/china-bitcoin-downloads.jpg


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: DLCseller on March 24, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care. 

http://agaunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2014-CRIMEA-05.jpg

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

http://calvinayre.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/china-bitcoin-downloads.jpg

Putincoin? Wow, thats one big putincoin!  ;D


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Hazir on March 24, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
Russia is simply afraid of anything that is not created by them. Russians do not like and do not trust Europe, or western civilisation in general. So they way of thinking is something like that: "wait - we did not invent bitcoin so it is probably creation of western society to control and enslave our economic system, lets ban it!". And sadly now Ukraine is following the same idiotic way...


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: NeuroticFish on March 24, 2015, 01:31:54 PM
Russia is afraid of the western civilization.
Ukraine was betrayed by the western civilization.


But the Bitcoin shutdown is more related to politicians advised by people that don't understand the technology, but want to take decisions.
USD and EUR are also used to finance separatists, still those are not banned.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: innocent93 on March 24, 2015, 01:34:25 PM

http://i60.tinypic.com/14ah2bo.png

This is the reason why Bitcoin are getting hot in Ukraine, also the reason why Bitcoin are getting banned in Ukraine.
 


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: pawel7777 on March 24, 2015, 01:41:55 PM
Russia is simply afraid of anything that is not created by them. Russians do not like and do not trust Europe, or western civilisation in general. So they way of thinking is something like that: "wait - we did not invent bitcoin so it is probably creation of western society to control and enslave our economic system, lets ban it!". And sadly now Ukraine is following the same idiotic way...

That's not really 'idiotic' if you put yourself in position of any leader of a country with fragile/unstable currency.

Also, once you officially allow something, it's not easy to undo, especially if it gains popularity. So it's a safe option to ban something at first and if it turns not to be much of a threat, change the regulations to more friendly.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Miracal on March 24, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
Russia is simply afraid of anything that is not created by them. Russians do not like and do not trust Europe, or western civilisation in general. So they way of thinking is something like that: "wait - we did not invent bitcoin so it is probably creation of western society to control and enslave our economic system, lets ban it!". And sadly now Ukraine is following the same idiotic way...
definitely! They can't control bitcoin and are afraid their fiat is destroyed by bitcoin. So they ban it and made up some conspiracy theory against it!


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Get.BTC.Now on March 24, 2015, 02:08:20 PM
Russia is simply afraid of anything that is not created by them. Russians do not like and do not trust Europe, or western civilisation in general. So they way of thinking is something like that: "wait - we did not invent bitcoin so it is probably creation of western society to control and enslave our economic system, lets ban it!". And sadly now Ukraine is following the same idiotic way...
definitely! They can't control bitcoin and are afraid their fiat is destroyed by bitcoin. So they ban it and made up some conspiracy theory against it!

Why dont they regulate their bitcoin, integrate their own fiat and then get all the money they want.
Hmmmm,, But still, they are better off if they make Putincoin a thing.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: nygaar on March 24, 2015, 02:49:37 PM
just hope China don't ban it.  :-\

If video games have taught me anything, it's that if you encounter enemies then you're going the right way, especially Russians.  :P


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 24, 2015, 02:56:59 PM
just hope China don't ban it.  :-\

If video games have taught me anything, it's that if you encounter enemies then you're going the right way, especially Russians.  :P

China will never ban Bitcoin.

They're the ones that drive Bitcoin!

http://qz.com/359679/80-of-bitcoin-is-exchanged-into-and-out-of-chinese-yuan/

http://bitcoinist.net/china-shape-bitcoin-future/

Forget the FUD and nonsense China ban bullshit.  They're the ones most bullish about Bitcoin besides USA and Europe.

Russia/Ukraine can eat a dick.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: bri912678 on March 24, 2015, 03:09:23 PM

http://i60.tinypic.com/14ah2bo.png

This is the reason why Bitcoin are getting hot in Ukraine, also the reason why Bitcoin are getting banned in Ukraine.
 

That chart says it all. Didn't both Russia and Ukraine start talking about banning it before Christmas? I know Russia was discussing it back then, but I'm not certain about Ukraine. They must be worried that money will leave the country through bitcoin.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Vhawk23 on March 24, 2015, 03:14:07 PM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care. 

http://agaunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2014-CRIMEA-05.jpg

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

http://calvinayre.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/china-bitcoin-downloads.jpg
Wait... Putincoin? Is it a Altcoins?
Or it's a normal big coin?

Anyway, that's a big one ;D


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: ChuckBuck on March 24, 2015, 03:17:21 PM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care.  

-snip=

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

-snip-

Wait... Putincoin? Is it a Altcoins?
Or it's a normal big coin?

Anyway, that's a big one ;D


Regular big ass silver coins commemorating annexation of Crimea:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-27117241


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Snail2 on March 24, 2015, 03:26:20 PM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care.  

-snip=

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

-snip-

Wait... Putincoin? Is it a Altcoins?
Or it's a normal big coin?

Anyway, that's a big one ;D


Regular big ass silver coins commemorating annexation of Crimea:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-27117241

Wow! I wanna mine some of those coins :).


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: BillyBobZorton on March 24, 2015, 06:06:21 PM
Bitcoin To Be Shutdown In Ukraine?
http://bitforum.info/t/bitcoin-to-be-shutdown-in-ukraine/652

These people really cant see how bitcoin could help them.

I think its better to regulate bitcoin (in Ukraine) and get all the money by using it instead of shutting it down.


They want total control and anything that suposses an alternative to the status quo will be prosecuted. Not surprised at those countries tying to ban Bitcoin.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Phobosator32 on March 24, 2015, 06:45:53 PM
Interesting, how *rebels* can exchange bitcoin into cash??

It could be done only in Russia or Ukraine, on the ocupied territories its impossible...



Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: manselr on March 24, 2015, 06:58:36 PM
They cant stop Bitcoin thats the beauty of it. What the hell are they gonna do, put cameras inside people's houses? As long as they can't do this, you can run Bitcoin.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: countryfree on March 24, 2015, 07:11:35 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Slaxt on March 24, 2015, 07:21:29 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

Thanks for the correction it is always good to get as close to the truth in the end only had to go threw every post lol The thing is with all this ban talk, it can't really be banned can it?

They can try but it is not really going to get them anywhere is it, there is no way for them to control it like they can't control ban drugs or anything else what they attempt and fail.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: bri912678 on March 24, 2015, 09:37:06 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

Thanks for the correction it is always good to get as close to the truth in the end only had to go threw every post lol The thing is with all this ban talk, it can't really be banned can it?

They can try but it is not really going to get them anywhere is it, there is no way for them to control it like they can't control ban drugs or anything else what they attempt and fail.

A country could stop exchanges operating within its borders, make bitcoin related businesses illegal, and forbid banks from doing transactions with bitcoin businesses abroad. Does Russia intend to start prosecuting people for possession of bitcoins? That would put people off using bitcoin, but not stop everyone.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on March 24, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

Somebody should tell them terrorists use cash too.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: pawel7777 on March 24, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

And who are the 'terrorists'?

And how do you know what are the Ukrainian plans towards Bitcoin?

It doesn't take much imagination to know that separatists are not and can not be financed by BTC in any significant form. Logically it seems to be just an excuse to introduce some heavy restrictions in crypto trading (if not total ban) to keep tighter control over citizens funds and maybe to protect Hryvnia.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: bitcoinluv79 on March 24, 2015, 11:54:26 PM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

Thanks for the correction it is always good to get as close to the truth in the end only had to go threw every post lol The thing is with all this ban talk, it can't really be banned can it?

They can try but it is not really going to get them anywhere is it, there is no way for them to control it like they can't control ban drugs or anything else what they attempt and fail.
This is how I feel about bitcoin regulation. They may make it illegal, but if done correctly, there is no way for governments to know it's citizens are even using bitcoin. Major countries refusing to allow bitcoin exchanges can hurt bitcoin a bit, but it will always have it's uses in the world. The world powers are scared of people having financial freedom  :)


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Slaxt on March 25, 2015, 12:08:02 AM
Correction, Ukraine has no plan to ban BTC. Its only concern is that terrorists may be using it.

Thanks for the correction it is always good to get as close to the truth in the end only had to go threw every post lol The thing is with all this ban talk, it can't really be banned can it?

They can try but it is not really going to get them anywhere is it, there is no way for them to control it like they can't control ban drugs or anything else what they attempt and fail.

A country could stop exchanges operating within its borders, make bitcoin related businesses illegal, and forbid banks from doing transactions with bitcoin businesses abroad. Does Russia intend to start prosecuting people for possession of bitcoins? That would put people off using bitcoin, but not stop everyone.

We are already in the final stages of decentralized exchanges so they can do what they want with exchanges in a few months, have you heard of Bithalo and Blackhalo night trader? This will allow anyone to bypass any regulation they put on the people unjustly. Banks ban does not matter with what i just said. Russia probably will do all it can to penalize bitcoin users but as my point with drugs those who want to use it will use it and that will create enough publicity that others will want to know why it is banned etc they can't stop it they can only try. 


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 12:27:11 AM
Who cares about Russia or Ukraine?  They can go suck on their precious Putincoin for all I care. 

http://agaunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2014-CRIMEA-05.jpg

As long as China keeps Bitcoin afloat, we should be aite!

http://calvinayre.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/china-bitcoin-downloads.jpg
Wait... Putincoin? Is it a Altcoins?
Or it's a normal big coin?

Anyway, that's a big one ;D
yes, huge. you can tell he wanted his coin to not only be big, but also thick.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Mr.K on March 25, 2015, 01:46:59 AM
Bitcoin will not be banned all over the world.One country can ban Bitcoin in home,but the citizens can trade it in the oversea exchange.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Exther2 on March 25, 2015, 02:18:56 AM
Bitcoin To Be Shutdown In Ukraine?
http://bitforum.info/t/bitcoin-to-be-shutdown-in-ukraine/652

These people really cant see how bitcoin could help them.

I think its better to regulate bitcoin (in Ukraine) and get all the money by using it instead of shutting it down.


You should know that there is a war and people watch for their life's not to be on the internet.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: johnyj on March 25, 2015, 04:49:05 AM
It's amazing that they still have some time to care about bitcoin, and want to ban bitcoin accounts  ;D


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 05:00:08 AM
if the government bans btc, they are only making btc ban the government. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/zhemademe-smiley.gif?1292867706Jessy


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Lauda on March 25, 2015, 05:21:48 AM
It's amazing that they still have some time to care about bitcoin, and want to ban bitcoin accounts  ;D
But it's unimportant too. Banning Bitcoin effectively does nothing. A tech savy user could still use Bitcoin without anyone knowing.
Ukraine and Russia have made a mistake. Instead of pushing forward, they've decided to stay back in the past.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 05:26:40 AM
it's amazing how the area of the world known for great hackers is thought of as a technological backwater stuck in a previous century when it comes to innovation.


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Kprawn on March 25, 2015, 05:33:19 AM
You should ask the same questions most of these countries are asking....
1. Who invented this technology?  
2. Can we control it?
3. What is the danger?

At this stage nobody knows who the inventor of this technology is.... Satoshi is just a name... and it might even be a government organization. These countries cannot control it, and most governemnt use the local currency {fiat} to control their citizens. Some countries need full control to manage and prevent possible financial collapse.

The dangers are the unknown.... or the lack of control.  ;)

  


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: calme on March 25, 2015, 05:46:49 AM
you just know it would be funny if russia makes btc its reserve currency and then they find out that the u.s. government created btc. the u.s. could even create a national holiday called "thank you for your money, russia" day. the u.s. could then donate some of satoshi's btc to the former soviet states


Title: Re: First Russia, Now Ukraine
Post by: Lauda on March 25, 2015, 05:53:37 AM
You should ask the same questions most of these countries are asking....
1. Who invented this technology?  
2. Can we control it?
3. What is the danger?

At this stage nobody knows who the inventor of this technology is.... Satoshi is just a name... and it might even be a government organization. These countries cannot control it, and most governemnt use the local currency {fiat} to control their citizens. Some countries need full control to manage and prevent possible financial collapse.

The dangers are the unknown.... or the lack of control.  ;)

  
Obviously the first question can't be answered. The  answer is Satoshi, but that remains unknown. Actually there questions are wrong and useless. It does not matter who created it, but people don't seem like the understand why. It is however important who is actively working on in.
The government definitely cann't control it, just like nobody else can. I think that is one of the main issue that they have with it. Just as they want to control everything else, they want to control Bitcoin too which isn't possible. Obviously one could use the blockchain and run analysis, but that would take up way too many resources on a wider scale.

It's risky just as any other investment is. It might be more stable in the future.