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Russian Fighter planes flew in international Air space around Gotland and Bornholm.
The Russian fighters disabled their transponderes to avoid detection.

Danish and Italian Fighters where sent to intercept.

Cant find source on BBC.

But was found on Danish news site.

This comes only after a few days where russia threatned Denmark because we were upgrading our missile shield with the US on our Ships.

Thoughts?

~Hamuki

my thoughts? give them what they want. they're obviously provoking everyone.

So we should give them the old soviet union?

Its countries today, and they are deffended by NATO.
Russia wont get bigger than it is now.
Or it will escalate.

I have to take these reports with a grain of salt now. Although Russian fighters have violated foreign airspace before, I know of at least one time it was claimed to be Russian fighters by Sweden, who later admitted it was not Russian, but French.


My thoughts are we shouldn't be Russian to judgment.   :D

Sweden's Defence Minister Peter Hultqvist told TT that as the Russian jets were flying in international airspace, they had not broken any rules, but added that flying without a transponder was "inappropriate behaviour".

http://www.thelocal.se/20150324/russian-fighter-jets-spotted-off-sweden (http://www.thelocal.se/20150324/russian-fighter-jets-spotted-off-sweden)

international air space

WRT the missile shield, it is inherently defensive to target a missile defense system in a mutually assured destruction environment.  We are still in such an environment and will be for some time I hope (because it has proven stable unlike the alternative...just ask any of the many countries who have been squashed recently by the U.S...)

It goes without saying that anyone who allows their territory to be used for strategic military purposes becomes a target.  All the Russian dude did was to chose to say it, and in what I thought was a pretty matter-of-fact way.  It was probably doing the Danish population a favor since there will probably be a fair number of people who don't get it.  What the population chooses to do after understanding things better is up to them.

I see.
First report was that they violated Danish air space but was called off a little later.
Thread edited.

Its a deffence system.. Not an attack system.
Putin should stay out of Ukraine and should keep his fighters away from Swedish/Danish Air Space.

A russian fighter almost colided with a civilian aircraft in COPENHAGEN.
Getting that far into Danish Airspace should have had big consequenses.
The only reason why it got so far into the airspace was because it deactivated the transponder.

The only thing Putin is getting out from this is the anger from the Danish people.
And at some point one of their fighters will hopefully be shot down.

I think you could still refer to The Aviationist article about it (http://theaviationist.com/2015/03/24/tu-22-supersonic-over-baltic/).
What worried me more than the increased tempo of Russian training ops is the possible meanings of a sudden stop of the said ops; because this could be understood by outsiders as a rest & maintenance phase before actual, real, military operations.

International air space, i.e. it doesn't belong to anyone and anyone can fly through it without needing to let nearby countries know about it.
It is a non-event.  If they fly into Danish or Swedish air space, then it will be an incident, but until then it is just complaining about someone doing nothing wrong.

The same goes for when they flew near the UK recently, near but not into our air space..

Then why do it without transponderes active?
Why did they deactivate them?

Simulated war/combat condition. This is the risky part because, in wartime civilian air traffic would be grounded but, in peacetime you cannot ground  civilian air traffic and you're flying in crowded airspaces without coordination with ATCs thus increasing the risks to safety (e.g. collisions).

Just funny how we have to send fighters to intercept them so they wont enter Danish Air space all the time.
And its everytime we do it.
Its to provoke, not to train.

Makes you wonder though, why would the Russian aircraft be "invisible" to civilian radar?

Yea.. It is rather scary.
Will hope that is stops in the near future.

Air Forces trains everyday, often simulating war/combat condition; however, if you train this way in periods of international tension near territory of countries with each party seeing the other as potential hostile a party could interpret such training as a provocation, Russian see NATO patrols as provocation, NATO see Russian ones as provocation.


Civilian ATC radars are mostly not real radars at all but receive aircraft transponders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_(aeronautics))' signal. Turn an aircraft transponder OFF and the same aircraft will be visible only to Air Defense (a.k.a military) radars and a few primary ATC radars (the real civilian radars). In this condition quality of ATC air picture degrade a lot and workload for air traffic controllers skyrocketed up; thus, risks of accidents go up as well.

It is clear that the Russian aircraft was being operated in a reckless manner.
Having the transponder off in close proximity to civilian air traffic endangers innocents.
It is entirely consistent with their prior aggressive actions towards airliners and disregard for safety.

No matter what.
A Russian military fighter has nothing to do with a transponder that is off and not visible to civilian ATC Towers.

Russians dont know how to fly.
They almost hit a civilian plane in Copenhagen, and they were dangerously close to a swedish spy place that was on a test flight.

Oh, give me a break!

And how is it different from American airplanes flying in international (and oftentimes venturing into Russian) airspace?
This is just presstitute hysteria again, a repeat of that alleged "almost hit", when in reality the planes were flying very far apart.
And check geography - Russia has access to the Baltic sea - it's not something that is exclusive to Danes or Swedes.

Also, Russia didn't threaten Denmark, it informed about a standard procedure, when it comes to installation of hardware, threatening Russian security (balance of power).

You are Pro-Russian so cant really blame you for your statement.
But 100 meters between a fighter and a civilian aircraft that has no idea that there is other planes around them is very dangerous.

First, I like to classify myself as pro-sanity and pro-truth. If Russia does something wrong, I'll be the first to condemn it.

Second, read this:

http://www.thelocal.se/20141214/reports-sas-plane-involved-in-airspace-drama

But such this tiny detail as truth is irrelevant, when prescribed presstitute rossophbia is being spun.

With their speeds 900 meter isnt much.

Russia has nothing to do on Crimea and in the Dunbas region.
Its ukrainian soil, get out.

The speed is irrelevant. You said they were 100 meters apart, and Nemo pointed out that they were never closer than 900 meters. I think his point is that you're getting worked up over an incident and falling victim to misinformation, which you kind of proved by trying to maintain your original anger about how close the planes were even though you're now acknowledging that the distance between them was nine times greater than you originally said. Logically, your point has been diminished by a factor of 9, but your insistence that this is an incident worthy of condemnation has not.

If the plane was in international airspace, I no longer see an issue here. It's like getting worked up every time someone uses the sidewalk near your house. They're on public property and have every right to be there, but you're worked up about how close they came to stepping on your grass.

A good one from you, as always. The power is balanced when Russia has nuclear warheads aimed at you and you have only conventional weapons, but if you start getting some countermeasures you're threatening the balance. It's unthinkable that Danes, who don't have nukes want to at least know what's coming and are outfitting their ships with advanced radar systems, bastards!

You know that people in the past were starting wars from less trivial reasons than violation of airspace? Russian pilots are not careless, they are ORDERED to do that - It is their mission. They test european countries whenever will they react to kremlin's provocations and how far russians can go with it...

In fact all Russian agression by plane / submarine actually is for testing Nato defense/weapons ...

All pro-russian will explain again ... that this is normal ... because too many country left the so big URSS ... russian are nationalist and want to see back all these country as slave like it was in the past...

But almost all country those in the past lived under the pressure of URSS do not want them anymore ( Bulgarie, Poland , Czeck ... slovakia ... ) and we can understand why !

Now they play the game of -> if citizen speak Russia they are our family and we must defend them and make annexion of the land ... more when this is geo-strategic .. LoL If Poutine would care about people really ... why there is so much poor & alchoolic people / crime in russia ?

Poutine play the game of testing EU/Nato defense ... this is well know ... when you fear you must show your force ....look North Korea ... they play the same ... we are the biggest, we will put the mess ......

They are funny either Kim Jung Hun ... he speak only about Communist but went to Switzerland school ... high priced.... like Poutine ... how much he stolen on Russia ? more then 100 Billions US$.

And the most funny, all pro-russian critics EU/USA but once they get rich... they buy US product, drive richest german car... go to holidays in Paris ... and have full of mouth of expensive food from EU....  Champagne / Whisky ... cigar ... and buy "cartier" ... luxury ... go to Stad winter ... Courchevelle ... buy house and put money in london ( city ) ...

In clear... Do what i tell , not what i do !

Stop perverting the facts. Russian pilots didn't violated the airspace. The flight was conducted in the international airspace.

Here is a case of an American warplane that violated Swedish airspace, when escaping from Russian forces after it was spotted spying on Russian radar systems:
http://www.newsru.com/world/04aug2014/swedenspy.html

Can you tell me anything about NATO testing Russia by driving along its borders and conducting countless exercises.
http://rt.com/news/239021-us-tanks-latvia-arrive/
In fact, the frequency of NATO exercises near Russian borders is such, that as soon as one is over, the next is started.

Nemo ...  stop to post useless RT links ... this is 100000000000% propaganda pro Kremlin ... with so called expert from anywhere ...

Show us real proof  ;D

Why can't you all just stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong and since you're all clearly not interested in war and just sit back like I'm planning to do and let the morons go kill themselves since they're all so determined? These people don't give a fuck about right or wrong or who started what, they just want land and resources, of course you'll never get them to admit it openly.

In what buying weapons is a violation ... ? Russia want to buy 2 Ships from France ... LoL

Wooow Exercices ... do we need to recall you during how much time Russia make exercices on Ukrainia border during these last months ...

They do not waitted EU to put Nuclear weapons on Crimea ...

Why .. ha yes Russia like to put the fear these last months with Nuclear threats.... like in old days ...

Problem is ... if poutine die ... we could get worst ... russian are so filled by propaganda Anti-US/EU now ... that they "feed" all ... like the "childreen killers" ... LoL done by US army men in Ukrainia ... you want propaganda post done on RT too ??