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Scotland is to ban smoking in cars with children, bringing it into line with forthcoming legislation in England and Wales to protect young people from secondhand smoke.

The Scottish government announced it would back the smoking prohibition (children in motor vehicles) (Scotland) bill, which has been put forward by the Liberal Democrat MSP Jim Hume.

The bill, which is hoped will receive royal assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars, although Hume acknowledged that as it progresses discussion may take place about exempting convertibles, when they have the roof fully down, to bring it into line with English laws.

“This legislation will ensure that we can put a stop to the 60,000 journeys being made in Scotland each week where children are being exposed to dangerous secondhand smoke,” he said.


More : http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/25/scotland-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children

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Are they serious? Where is the freedom of choice to do whatever you want (but in the respect of the other people)? Can you say your opinion here? Thanks.

i bolded what i think is important for a possible answer.
we know for sure that smoking/cigarette smoke is bad for human beings especially for children.
the problem is now parents that smoke usually dont think about that and it becomes natural for the child to see and inhale smoke.

in essence if someone would ask you to stop smoking beside him/her you should stop but it just dont happen in reality.
i think this bill is really about the protection of children.

I don't smoke, but if someone ask me to not do something beside him I stop immediately because I respect the other person. Here as you told it is a question of protection/health of the children (the most important thing when you are talking about 'smoke').
Thanks for your opinion, come one guys I would like to read your opinion about this fact : Are you agree or disagree?

I think it's a stupid law that's a waste of money, but I do agree that people shouldn't smoke around kids (I smoke myself btw).

I would expect that the vast majority of people wouldn't smoke in the car with children anyway, but for the ones that do, why not just tell the kids in school from a young age that it might, possibly harm them if daddy smokes a fag on the school run every day? They will be giving daddy an earful on the ride home that day, and the next day he will wait till he gets home before sparking up  :D And all with negligible cost to the taxpayer! You know what, fuck this Bitcoin shit, I'm running for government bitches.

Whatever happened to liberty and an individuals right to chose?
If people want to smoke, drink, eat doughnuts or whatever it's their choice alone and none of the governments damned business.

Smoke in a small enclosed environment is sufficating even for smokers, let alone small children. Getting a cigarette from the box and lighting it is as dangerous as using your mobile phone while driving. I think this law is very reasonable.

I have heard of pet rocks. But children cars?    ;D

Yes, for someone is 'another' stupid law for other people is a 'great' law. Everyone think at one thing, and the government don't help....



I suppose you ar (almost) an anarchy or am I wrong? However also you are right but always in the respect of the other people.

As I said in the other post the children should be safeguarded, it is in their right.



You are so funny, but can you stay on topic? Thanks.

How is it secure to smoke while driving while holding a phone on your hand is considered not safe...

Thanks for the admonishment.

As far as banning anything that the people do, government doesn't do it because they love the children, or anyone else. Government does it to control the people, or to help the insurance companies keep rates down.

Government people that have sympathy don't make it up that high in government. You gotta be hard and tough to get up there. They don't care about the people. All they care about is money and political manipulation.

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Nicotine is a very good means to increase concentration, using a mobile phone does exactly the opposite. A crackdown on mobile use whilst driving would be much more appropriate.

Would be better if they made a law that exempted children from prosecution for defending themselves against scumbags hotboxing them in captivity.

I'm a smoker myself, but I used to avoid smoking when non-smokers travelling with me. Smoking around children is also a "taboo" for me. So, this law is a good and necessary one.

I'm a smoker too and wouldn't smoke around any of my younger cousins but the threat of force towards those that would is wrong. Also, the threat of second hand smoke has been debunked and this nanny statism is not something that we need more of.

Great idea! Now think of all those middle aged people suing their elderly parents for lung damages they got inhaling smoke in the car. It's always better to prevent then repair the damages.

I agree with the smoking ban, it's unhealthy and some people are just ignorant and won't stop even if you ask them nicely. They have to be hit in their wallets to learn anything.

Top 3 things stolen in convenience store robberies:
Money
Cigarettes
Alcohol

Even legal marijuana dispensaries without armed security are getting robbed.

No amount of financial disincentive has ever stopped addicts, only their free will, or their deaths.

Here's the way it works.

1. Government requires vaccination of little kids and babies.
2. The children get ADD and ADHD and autism, etc., from the vaccines.
3. The kids are placed on all kinds of drugs, like Ritalin, especially in school.
4. These drugs are habit forming worse than cocaine.
5. When the kids get out of high school (if not sooner), government stops supplying the drugs.
6. The kids have to supplement their government and medical induced habit.
7. Government makes more money off people that they make sick from early childhood than anything else... through fines and prison and covertly supplying the drugs.

While smoking is not quite like cocaine/Ritalin, it is induced in kids in subtle ways through the things that they have to go through in school, and through lack of health brought about by eating processed foods. Kids feel that they need cigarettes and alcohol to make up for something that they are missing in their health. Then the smoking and alcohol make things worse.

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I'm pretty sure this law already exists here in Canada and they're working on expanding it to include homes as well.

Should I be allowed to follow you around and blow smoke in your face for hours? No. Should a parent be allowed to force-feed their children doughnuts 24/7? No. This isn't about the smokers liberty but the children's liberty. They have no choice and are forced to breathe that crap in and second hand smoke can cause cancer. It makes it even worse when they're in a car.

While I agree with most of what you are saying here, No. 2 is totally false and unrelated to the rest of it. Yes, there is a problem with the increasing trend of prescribing kids things like Ritalin/Amphetamines (America is one of the worst places for this).

But the link between vaccines and autism/ADHD is ablsolute bullshit - try googling Andrew Wakefield and you will see why he was disgraced by the medical community and his fraudulent papers retracted. No studies other than his fraudulent 1998 paper have ever shown any link.

This category of people is 'rude' and as you said "if you ask them nicely" they will attack you and say you << what the fu*k do you want?>>. Now explain me how to deal with this type of person, it is impossible but when we are talking about the smoke near children they should at least reason a little bit and stop to smoke nearby them // or am I wrong?



Are you sure? I didn't find anything of interesting, can you please give me some links or document about your utterance? Thanks.

You are right on the nanny state. But even if it was debunked smoking is not a good habit to "teach" for children.
Sometimes I think if the state don't want us to smoke then smoking must be a good thing :). (Actually nicotine is far better and safer anti depressant than anything what the big pharma can make.)

However there is a growing suspicion regarding correlation between autoimmune diseases and the immunologic adjuvants in vaccines.

Sure, here you go.

This is the Ontario anti-smoking law regarding underage kids in vehicles.
http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/en/smoke-free/simv/
Here's a wiki link regarding all of Canada too. Notice smoking is even banned in parks and playgrounds here in Ontario.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_Canada

This is the progress being made regarding anti-smoking laws in multi-unit dwellings. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before it includes single dwellings as well.
http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_is_drifting_secondhand_smoke.html
http://www.smokefreehousing.ca/what_tenants_need_to_know.html

The state does want you to smoke. Who else would it leech all that tax (ineffective as a financial disincentive) revenue from?

This is definitely logical, secondhand smoke is bad for health while people have health right as a human right.

Also, Smoking is banned on public places in HONGKONG.

Motorists who violate the ban could be fined £100. The new law, which proponents hope will receive Royal Assent before the next Holyrood elections in May 2016, covers all cars. However, in order to make Scottish law consistent with English law, Mr. Hume acknowledged the possibility that discussions may be entered into about exempting roof-down convertibles from the ban.

http://www.blogs.findlaw.co.uk/solicitor/2015/03/medical-law-scotland-set-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-with-children.html

and this is a discussion on reddit :  http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/309tsy/scotland_is_to_ban_smoking_in_cars_with_children/?sort=new

This is already into law in my country, for some time now.

This is one of those things that should come from common sense, but I guess most people lack even that, perhaps laws like this help shape the new generations into better humans.

This is great, It's unfair to expose children to smoke.

So this was legal in Scotland until now?

Smoking should be banned in most places IMO. It's easier to stop smoking if you can't do it everywhere. I stopped smoking a year ago.

Secondhand smoke contains more than 4,000 chemicals, and exposure to it has been linked to chest infections, asthma and cot death in children.

Poison yourself if you want, but don't poison those around you, especially children.

Your rights generally end where they infringe someone else's. The right of a child not to be forced to inhale smoke trumps your right to smoke in the car with children. This law makes sense. You can view it as nanny state, but you can also view it as recognizing the rights of children. Both are accurate.

Smoking is dangerous for both, the person who is smoking and the person who is sitting beside him, so I completely support this. Children who inhale this will suffer if their parents smoke before them. I know many people who themselves prefer to smoke in a separate place to avoid causing any problem for their family and kids while those are are smoking before their kids deserve this ban. They should be considerate when they have kids beside them.

This is a correct decision of Scotland .Do not smoke in public places , especially if you have children around.

Secondhand smoking is dangerous than smoking itself. I used to be a smoker but now it irritates me to even stand beside someone holding a cigarette. I guess it should hold more for children in locked cars.

So you think the kids should go through all the passive smoking and giving an excuse that nicotine increases concentration? Man, how messed up are you?

Ban smokers. Exile them to some off shore islands around the world. They think it is their right to endanger the health of people around them. My parents smoked and they smoked everywhere with no consideration. In the car, Dad would complain bitterly about cracking a window so we could breath (it was cold outside). Sadly, this attitude was the norm but it is changing thank goodness. Thanks to law.

Restaurants were horrendous. Imagine eating your meal and someone across the table blowing smoke at you. Nasty. I could go on and on.

Here in Hawaii, they upped the smoking age to 21.

Now I can't drink or smoke till i'm 21.

Besides this, I think that Scotland took a great step forward. Stopping lung disease and cancer from the source. It would be good to ban smoking in the house too though.

You can; millions under {arbitrary age} aren't being punished for violating {arbitrary age} minimums.

smoker should know the impact of the cigarate especially for their body and their children, just to avoid smoking when non-smokers travelling with you guys. Smoking around children is also a "taboo" fo . So, this law is a good and necessary one.keep it up

Bump.

Scotland was the first country in the UK to ban smoking in enclosed public places in 2005, ;D
They protect young people from secondhand smoke. ;D
which contains more than 4,000 chemicals, and exposure which increase the risk of chest infections, asthma and cot death in children.
The SNP government pledged in 2013 to achieve a tobacco-free generation within 20 years, with less than 5% of the population choosing to smoke by the target date of 2034. ;D ;D

Why do you smoke, it's bad for your health, you are slowly killing yourself by paying money for that tobacco corporations.

This will never work,  If parents or adults do not have the brains to realise, or do not care that children's health is at high risk from tobacco smoke, then the law makers have to do something about it.

To be honest, Hats Off to Scotland, smoking itself injurious to their health and they are spreading those injurious nicotine fumes even to the children, I would vote for appreciation if the Scotland Government ban even smoking in the Cars irrespective of being driving alone or with kids.

I am all for health but each new power given to police or governments is 1000x harder to get back and things tend to build on other concepts ...

In 10 years will over weight kids get taken away.

well scotland has its premises to do the rules of that i dont think ints unconsesual that the pay out bill for smoking with childern in cars we be a problem but besides that i dont need to see kids smoking parents smoke into cars soo its a good and healthy mesure

Smoking in cars with children?! Fuck people are stupid...

Maybe scotland government did that because there were some retarded people that didn't care about their children health, and smoked in the car. If we know the effect of smoking to our health, and we still ignore it, then it's okay, since we can do whatever we want to our selves. But, we are stupid if we ignore this problem to our kids. Or do we wanna make our children become a smoker too? It depends on how we take care of them.

totally agree with you, government started make some rules about smoking, this is good. maybe with this way some people care about their children health

It's already been banned in my country for years now, kind of have a neutral stance on it. If parents are willing to smoke in the car with children the damage is probably already done.

Kids smoke and drink the world over, been like that for many years, both are very bad for your health and should be stopped at the root cause.
I smoked for over thirty years, stopped 10 years ago, great for my health,  make one exception with alcohol I  was at celebration once, got drunk, got sick, never had a drink of it since  ;D Also when you have know and seen many people die from alcohol related diseases it put you right off.

The title to this thread seems to be ambiguous. Is it that Scotland is trying to ban smoking in cars that have children in them? Or is it that Scotland is trying to use children (the excuse of children in the car) to ban smoking in all cars, and this is the start of it?

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I see many kids being dropped off at the local elementary school with the parents smoking, windows up. This is beyond stupid.. then again multiple studies show that smokers are statistically lower educated and lower income earners, maybe they actually are too dumb to know this isn't right. Remember half the people out there have IQs less than 100.

The problem is where do you draw the line. If the kid is overweight and has a happy meal in the car is that ticket worthy as it's bad for the health?

I wouldn't want to smoke around children anyway. I always think it's very selfish and inconsiderate when people do but even so people should have freedom of choice, doing people from doing what they want can cause other problems sometimes

I always feel that those who are not ready to be parents should never even think of having children in the first place. This is not just the issue of smoking in cars with children, this is also in conjunction with responsibilities and having the maturity to teach and raise their kids well. Apprently, if you do not care enough to smoke far away from your children, then being a parent is definitely not suitable for you.

You are right. If parents are dumb enough to smoke with child in a car they definitely are not great parenting material. But I am opposed to laws like this, because it should be INTERNAL MATTER of family, government and cops have nothing to do with this. If some parent want to smoke and endanger his/her kid let them do this, its their children they are harming. It is waste of money to create laws like these.