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The current value of DVC is 4 satoshis, and is going down to 3. At first sight it means that nobody wants it, but if we carefully check their community, it looks like they are preparing something big. So it is a good time to buy DVC! Buy cheap sell high = WIN

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Volume (24h): $21

Yeah it takes time to buy LOTS this cheap. Lurking on 3 tends to mean quite a lot of idle time while people play around at 4 and above, but periodically it has hit 3 and at Vircurex the bitcoins lurking on 3 meanwhile make a little income on the side simply for being on the exchange. I can see where you might not want to leave bitcoins sitting idle on other exchanges waiting to be first in line to pick up Devcoins for 3 or less though.

Basically if you want to lurk on the low end of the buy side of an order-book ensuring you will be first in line for cheap coins at each price, Vircurex seems to be the place to do it.

Another way of saying that is if you want to build a DEEP, strong buy-side for a coin Vircurex seems to be the place to do it.

As long as they are accepting bitcoin deposits, that is. The big problem at Vircurex lately for me has been the last time I put in bitcoins they still have not shown up in my account so I have not been able to replenish the buy-side order-books so merged mined SHA256 coins have been dropping everywhere. Last time that happened they fixed the deposit daemon or whatever the problem was eventually - after several days - but this time it is stretching into weeks and the bitcoins still have not arrived.

On the bright side this means I have been picking up coins at lower than expected prices due to inability to continue replenishing higher priced buy offers.

-MarkM-

I used to trade these when they were 3-4k sats. Forgot they even existed. Don't think I will buy any more now though.

3 to 4 k ? When the heck was that? I thought about 300 or so satoshis was their peak, maybe 320 or something like that.

-MarkM-

I think there is confusion between DGC and DVC.

Where is that something big?

http://forum.devcoin.org/

With all due respect but their forum/coin seems dead..

I didn't even know there was a forum subdomain at devcoin.org.

One of the DeVCoin projects is coinzen.org, I thought most DeVCoin discussion has been there for a long time now.

You can still argue that it isn't a highly active forum I suppose but it isn't dead.

I wonder who set up the one at devcoin.org and when? I don't recall what was going on back before coinzen was set up.

-MarkM-

One of the main problems with DVC was the distribution schema. Most of the time only writers got the reward. There is no solid payment mechanism for other open source goods like coding , making images or videos. I dont mean there was no payment but writing was always easy for getting share rather than coding or making videos.

Also there was controlling problem.

Anyway the idea was good and still good. But it needs more and more restructuring of the organization. Some extra dedicated projects for Devcoin marketing and also a good development team are needed for wake up.

Thank you,but l have not satoshi for buying..but thanks anyway..

So the coin touched 3 satoshis for enough time to make +30% profits! Since it quickly went up to 4 satoshis, so the few ones that bought at 3 and sold at 4 are smiling.

By the way, there is still a great chance to make 25% or more since the coin is selling at 5 satoshis and there is a good change for it to touch 6 satoshis. It is up to you to take the opportunity!

I think devcoin will keep dropping as the supply is just too much.
I don't like coins with so much supply. It is difficult for the altcoin to rise in value.

I disagree with you about the inflation rate. Inflation rate is currently (nearly )same as LTC.

After 210,000 blocks the block reward will not reduce.
Is it a big problem or main problem with DVC? I think , its not.
Lets look at DOGE  there are nearly 100 billion coin which produced in 14-15 months. In case of DVC, there are nearly 9 billion coins ( or tokens) which produced in nearly 3.5 years. And price of DVC is just 1/15th of 1 DOGE.

I believe  main problem with DVC is the organization problem (and also distribution problem but not big as organization). HunterBunter posted a message to the DVC thread last week. Hopefully, If the organization becomes more decentralised and more responsible people take over the project then the price will rise again. More importantly, DVC gains more community.

What is this "big" thing they're preparing for? Or is it just fantasy?

We are restructuring the community and the way Devcoins are distributed, encouraging participation and promoting the use of Devcoin for real, not just trading.

More info about DVC restructuring: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg11069460#msg11069460

I posted DVC thread about signature campaign but got no response. Are you sure about restructuring?

I want to help by operating  a signature campaign but I think it needs more time and effort for restructuring.

Use a couple of hundreds of dollars and bring the price to the moon ;D Seriously, I followed Devcoin community and development for some time. The devs promised some much good features over the time and nothing happened. I think it is just another promise that will not be come...

Perhaps this is the best idea :). Development is slow, marketing is non-existent, services are scarce, exchange rates are something next to zero. Apart for speculation I don't see why should anyone go for it. I like the concept, and like the coin (I still have a couple of millions) but without real-life services it will slowly fade out of all exchanges.

Price is back to 6 satoshis, my gut says: SELL! (if you bought at 3 or 4 satoshis previously).

For the coin haters: STFU. Thanks.

Selling at 7 satoshis on Vircurex and Cryptsy.

thank you for telling us this info but may i know what exchange does DVC is included?

https://vircurex.com
https://www.cryptsy.com/

The coin has a good user base background and developers which have much passion for the project. But there are too many coins with too less options to spend them. Therefore the price have a natural top limit atm.

Part of that is the big delay in the "Open Transactions for Grandmas" project, since people found Open Transactions too hard to get up and running.

For years Open Transactions was coming along nicely, but at some point they finally made some code change that made all existing server-contracts, aset-contracts, user-pseudonyms, accounts and so on obsolete, so that in order to move forward it would have been necessary to starta whole new Open Transactions server using the new system and gradually migrate all the assets and users and accounts over to it.

Then on top of that, the new stuff seemingly does not work yet.

We have been able to keep running using old code, but by the time the problem came out the java-based graphical client was already out of date compared to the last working version of the old server, so now all the operations are being done using the text mode commands, which discourages even people who might have used the java GUI if they could have managed to get it installed.

All this bascally means that the whole "stock market" and "devcoin based asset markets" system is mostly only being used via brokers, the brokers mainly being those guildmasters who have taken the trouble to learn the text mode commands for Open Transactions so that they can execute trades on behalf of their guild and its members.

So basically we are still waiting for an Open Transactions client useable by grandmothers, that is, easy enough to set up and use that even your granny could use it; and even when that comes out we will still then need to migrage all the contracts and accounts and pseudonyms over to that new system, which will be quite painful.

In the meantime maybe contact your guild's officers and see if they are able to execute Open Transactions orders for you or if they have some deal with some other guild that has the capability.

-MarkM-

I don't see much future for devcoin.
The coin supply is just too much. If it can go to 10 satoshi, it would already be time to sell.

Too much coin supply is the design of Devcoin, the reason is to make it a true currency, not an asset. Devcoin is designed to spend it, what we need is to let people use a.k.a: provide services and products. So let's do it and stop complaining!

Maybe a more sophisticated method of drawing up conversion rates would help?

The rates I post at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html do not take volume into account, so when for example mining corps ship fifty million units of "Deuterium" to a depot it seems very likely that for some currencies/assets the prices listed are not really reflecting very well what would happen if you actually went to an exchange and tried to buy or sell that amount of that asset.

Also of course the mere fact that conversion rates exist at all insulates the exchanges from such conversions; many debtors whose outstanding loans are denominated in DeVCoin have been failing to impact the exchange rates due to the accounting between the corps they sell raw materials to and the corps they owe DeVCoins to being mediated by "conversion rates".

The corp buying the deuterium and the corp holding the miner's debt both use the same conversion chart, the one at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc (which incidentally has not been updated in a while so is actually somewhat out of date today).

For example suppose 50 million units of deuterium is delivered to a General Mining Corp depot today. General Mining corp pays, at today's listed price (which actually dates back to May 1st, as I mentioned these tables have not been updated frequently lately), 0.07731018 GMC per thousand units, which is listed in the same row of the table as being equivalent to 88495.57522123 DVC per thousand units.

The thing is, GMC does not go out to an exchange and buy (88495.57522123 x 50000 = 4424778761.06150000) DVC to pay to the loan-holder as payment against the miner's debt. Rather, they simply pay the loan-holder the supposed equivalent in some currency they find more convenient, which of course for General Mining Corp (GMC) quite often turns out to be GMC coin. So they send the lender (0.07731018 x 50000 = 3865.50900000) GMC instead for example, and the lender credits the miner the supposedly-corresponding number of DeVCoins, that is, 4424778761.06150000 DVC, against the miner's loan. (Minus any transaction fees or service fees etc of course.)

Of course when the miners who at some point chose to switch their debts over to a finance corp that allowed them to have their debts denominated in DeVCoins, this same kind of conversion took place. For example General Finance Corp did not send General Mining Corp hundreds or thousands of billions of DeVCoins (there are less than ten billion DeVCoins in existence so far as I write this) when it bought the GMC-denominated debts of certain miners, instead it bought them using GMC coins.

Considering that just one shipment of fifty million units of deuterium turns out to be a more than four point four billion DeVCoin value transaction, it seems clear that the liquidity on exchanges or sheer number of DeVCoins in existence needs to be way the heck higher so that miners and corps can throw such numbers of coins around just in the course of their day to day delivering-stuff-to-depots OR DeVCoins need to be worth a whole lot more deuterium per coin before the exchanges are likely to be of much use in conducting such business...

-MarkM-