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Title: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: TheIrishman on March 26, 2015, 06:06:51 PM https://i.imgur.com/jR54sBI.jpg
Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us) << The European Commission has warned EU citizens that they should close their Facebook accounts if they want to keep information private from US security services, finding that current Safe Harbour legislation does not protect citizen's data. The comments were made by EC attorney Bernhard Schima in a case brought by privacy campaigner Maximilian Schrems, looking at whether the data of EU citizens should be considered safe if sent to the US in a post-Snowden revelation landscape. "You might consider closing your Facebook account, if you have one", Schima told attorney general Yves Bot in a hearing of the case at the European court of justice in Luxembourg. When asked directly, the commission could not confirm to the court that the Safe Harbour rules provide adequate protection of EU citizens' data as it currently stands. >> Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: chmod755 on March 26, 2015, 06:36:23 PM Seriously? I'd rather give my personal details to Facebook than The Guardian. Who thought it was a good idea to publish this story? The Guardian is one of the most irresponsible news outlets when it comes to dealing personal information.
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: networthsigns on March 26, 2015, 06:47:30 PM Seriously? I'd rather give my personal details to Facebook than The Guardian. Who thought it was a good idea to publish this story? The Guardian is one of the most irresponsible news outlets when it comes to dealing personal information. Good luck with that what you would rather do :) Facebook where do i start, the moment you sign up you are just a extra $50 for them for marketing purposes nothing else, then you go and put your favorite 'family' pictures on there (guess what?) they no longer belong to you they are now property of facebooks hidden agenda. When you write a update/status the moment you publish thats right it no longer belongs to you. Never needed this article you just need to read the terms of service lol Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: pedrog on March 26, 2015, 06:53:21 PM Never had a Facebook account...
Seriously? I'd rather give my personal details to Facebook than The Guardian. Who thought it was a good idea to publish this story? The Guardian is one of the most irresponsible news outlets when it comes to dealing personal information. You don't have to choose between those two, you can not use Facebook and you can not give any information to the Guardian... Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: chmod755 on March 26, 2015, 06:55:20 PM Facebook where do i start, the moment you sign up you are a extra $50 for them for marketing purposes nothing else, then you go and put your favorite 'family' pictures on there (guess what?) they no longer belong to you they are now property of facebooks hidden agenda. When you write a update/status the moment you publish thats right it no longer belongs to you. Never needed this article you just need to read the terms of service lol Hidden agenda? It's just part of the deal: you're getting access to Facebook, but they're using your information. You don't have to choose between those two, you can not use Facebook and you can not give any information to the Guardian... I know, but it's ironic that this article was published on The Guardian. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: pedrog on March 26, 2015, 07:03:33 PM Facebook where do i start, the moment you sign up you are a extra $50 for them for marketing purposes nothing else, then you go and put your favorite 'family' pictures on there (guess what?) they no longer belong to you they are now property of facebooks hidden agenda. When you write a update/status the moment you publish thats right it no longer belongs to you. Never needed this article you just need to read the terms of service lol Hidden agenda? It's just part of the deal: you're getting access to Facebook, but they're using your information. You don't have to choose between those two, you can not use Facebook and you can not give any information to the Guardian... I know, but it's ironic that this article was published on The Guardian. Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: saddampbuh on March 26, 2015, 07:19:12 PM its run by a jew, what did you expect?
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: jaysabi on March 26, 2015, 07:20:17 PM Seriously? I'd rather give my personal details to Facebook than The Guardian. Who thought it was a good idea to publish this story? The Guardian is one of the most irresponsible news outlets when it comes to dealing personal information. Good luck with that what you would rather do :) Facebook where do i start, the moment you sign up you are just a extra $50 for them for marketing purposes nothing else, then you go and put your favorite 'family' pictures on there (guess what?) they no longer belong to you they are now property of facebooks hidden agenda. When you write a update/status the moment you publish thats right it no longer belongs to you. Never needed this article you just need to read the terms of service lol Did you even understand the point of the article? It's not about what Facebook does with your information. It's implicit that when you put your stuff on Facebook, you consent to Facebook having access to that information. That's the trade off, that's in the TOS, that part is obvious. The point of the article is that EU safe harbor laws do not protect EU citizens from the prying eyes of the US spying agencies. You may not consent to sharing your information with the NSA, but EU laws can not protect you because the NSA is not bound by them. The point of the article is that the only way you can protect your information from the NSA is not to put it on Facebook. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: chmod755 on March 26, 2015, 07:25:55 PM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: jaysabi on March 26, 2015, 07:42:03 PM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... You think one analyst can change the way the entire NSA operates? Snowden is a national hero for blowing the whistle. It's the only thing that could have changed anything. Without him, the NSA would still be operating in total secrecy, and who knows what else they'd be getting away with. It's only the public disclosure that has forced them into any kind of oversight at all. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: pedrog on March 26, 2015, 07:45:11 PM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535 You think one analyst can change the way the entire NSA operates? Snowden is a national hero for blowing the whistle. It's the only thing that could have changed anything. Without him, the NSA would still be operating in total secrecy, and who knows what else they'd be getting away with. It's only the public disclosure that has forced them into any kind of oversight at all. He is an international hero. :) Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: criptix on March 26, 2015, 08:10:14 PM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... do you really think what you just wrote? ladies and gentleman i think i found our first nsa agent on bitcointalk.org :) Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: s1lverbox on March 26, 2015, 08:21:22 PM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... U not serious about that what u wrote. Let me think....Someone is spying on me and this is right? but when insider spying on NSA that's no good and the guy should be jailed? What u think USA would do to him because he published bad boy uncle sam at work if he got caught? Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: freedomno1 on March 26, 2015, 08:24:02 PM Well facebook is notorious for data prying already
So this is not something out of the blue the bigger question is how to connect with other people over social media when everyone and their grandma is still on facebook, without a good alternative Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: jaysabi on March 26, 2015, 08:33:47 PM Well facebook is notorious for data prying already So this is not something out of the blue the bigger question is how to connect with other people over social media when everyone and their grandma is still on facebook, without a good alternative Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. I think all social media companies, that are free to use, are going to deal in information as an asset. They're businesses, and if you're not paying them, they have to sell something to someone else to operate. That happens to be your information to advertisers in most cases. Any alternative to the free model will require people to pay for the service in exchange for not selling or tracking your data while you use it. I think people will prefer the free model, which is why there is no pay-to-use alternative that will approach Facebook's ubiquity. People just need to know that it still comes at a cost. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: galbros on March 26, 2015, 08:45:13 PM Just another great example of if you are not paying for something, you are the product not the customer.
I think it's great that the EU take privacy so seriously. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: freedomno1 on March 26, 2015, 08:49:37 PM Well facebook is notorious for data prying already So this is not something out of the blue the bigger question is how to connect with other people over social media when everyone and their grandma is still on facebook, without a good alternative Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. I think all social media companies, that are free to use, are going to deal in information as an asset. They're businesses, and if you're not paying them, they have to sell something to someone else to operate. That happens to be your information to advertisers in most cases. Any alternative to the free model will require people to pay for the service in exchange for not selling or tracking your data while you use it. I think people will prefer the free model, which is why there is no pay-to-use alternative that will approach Facebook's ubiquity. People just need to know that it still comes at a cost. The question is can you develop a digital property that solves the problem of privacy and information storage for personal user accounts in a way that can be used like money, in other terms developing a solution to this problem could exist in cryptography outside of a centralized network such a as facebook as we know it today. There is enough computer power to utilize the digital space in a way that one can contribute to a network for social purposes but its only in the last few years that we have began harnessing networks of computers which we use for mining at present. In this way it is fair to say that someday in the future it will be possible to build it possibly an ethereum protocol app that connects and maintains social accounts using ether as a credit. Social capstones, like mathematical ones that combine different elements such as bitcoin may be the next step into an ecosystem, in that way it is possible to build another step into a decentralized social network while keeping scarcity in a social network using information. As you said though for now we must digress while avoiding a Facebook account is certainly doable, maintaining the social relations while retaining all your privacy privileges remains a challenge, for now at least social media companies will have free reign on this information until viable alternative systems can develop to gain sufficient traction to branch out from a central ecosystem. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: chmod755 on March 26, 2015, 08:56:37 PM Just another great example of if you are not paying for something, you are the product not the customer. I think it's great that the EU take privacy so seriously. Most internet services are like that. I guess the internet would be quite expensive to use if you had to pay for every service. in other terms developing a solution to this problem could exist in cryptography outside of a centralized network such a as facebook as we know it today. Technically you could do that, but nobody is going to use it (remember diaspora?), because centralized services do have a budget for marketing, support in case anything goes wrong and a user friendly interface. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: Aggressor66 on March 26, 2015, 10:47:38 PM Shouldn't that be 'Leave Facebook If You've Got A Life, Warns EU"...?
Here's another reason: Stop displaying yourself to the world and simultaneously demanding privacy. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: TECSHARE on March 27, 2015, 12:40:08 AM Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. Actually Facebook collects data in the background processes of your computer even when you aren't signed in. You agree to this in the TOS.Why did anyone sign up for Total Information Awareness book anyway? Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: Beliathon on March 27, 2015, 01:47:01 AM FBI book is only for losers now, it was cool like 8 years ago.
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: jaysabi on March 27, 2015, 03:02:51 PM Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. Actually Facebook collects data in the background processes of your computer even when you aren't signed in. You agree to this in the TOS.Why did anyone sign up for Total Information Awareness book anyway? Actually, you're right. I guess it's perfectly avoidable if you don't sign up is a more accurate way of putting it. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: TECSHARE on March 28, 2015, 02:04:47 AM Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. Actually Facebook collects data in the background processes of your computer even when you aren't signed in. You agree to this in the TOS.Why did anyone sign up for Total Information Awareness book anyway? Actually, you're right. I guess it's perfectly avoidable if you don't sign up is a more accurate way of putting it. Unfortunately all it takes is for a friend to log in once on your PC using Total Information Awareness book, or using a library computer, etc. In reality it is not always something you agree to. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: countryfree on March 28, 2015, 01:04:33 PM I'm not on FB, nor does any of my friends. I'm a happy man :)
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: NyeFe on March 28, 2015, 03:14:13 PM Like me, most other people have already fled Facebook, atleast after the snowden revelations.
The question is, what other non-US based (possibly decentralised & easy to use) services one could use, to communicate with family members? Especially elderly family members, who ain't good with technology Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: worhiper_-_ on March 28, 2015, 03:27:35 PM facebook users have no privacy .. all of their messages can be seen ... pictures etc
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: Lethn on March 28, 2015, 03:52:09 PM Don't trust social networks that have centralised servers and ask you for private information, it doesn't matter which country they belong to, they will be compromised.
Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: TheIrishman on March 31, 2015, 06:01:47 PM Facebook tracks all visitors, breaching EU law
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-tracks-all-visitors-breaching-eu-law-report (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/31/facebook-tracks-all-visitors-breaching-eu-law-report) << People without Facebook accounts, logged out users, and EU users who have explicitly opted out of tracking are all being tracked, report says. Facebook tracks the web browsing of everyone who visits a page on its site even if the user does not have an account or has explicitly opted out of tracking in the EU, extensive research commissioned by the Belgian data protection agency has revealed. The report, from researchers at the Centre of Interdisciplinary Law and ICT (ICRI) and the Computer Security and Industrial Cryptography department (Cosic) at the University of Leuven, and the media, information and telecommunication department (Smit) at Vrije Universiteit Brussels, was commissioned after an original draft report revealed Facebook's privacy policy breaches European law. The researchers now claim that Facebook tracks computers of users without their consent, whether they are logged in to Facebook or not, and even if they are not registered users of the site or explicitly opt out in Europe. Facebook tracks users in order to target advertising. The issue revolves around Facebook's use of its social plugins such as the "Like" button, which has been placed on more than 13m sites including health and government sites. Facebook places tracking cookies on users' computers if they visit any page on the facebook.com domain, including fan pages or other pages that do not require a Facebook account to visit. When a user visits a third-party site that carries one of Facebook's social plug-ins, it detects and sends the tracking cookies back to Facebook - even if the user does not interact with the Like button, Facebook Login or other extension of the social media site. >> Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: shogdite on April 01, 2015, 09:45:54 AM Nothing ironic about it, The Guardian was one of the news outlets involved in the initial publication of the Snowden leaks... Are you really defending the actions of this guy? He worked for the NSA and sold their intel to the media / Russia instead of changing the way the NSA is gathering information as an employee... He sold no intel whatsoever so I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, maybe you are just making stuff up? Snowden exposed the illegality of the NSA/GCHQ's global spying aparatus, this guy should be given a knighthood, not be forced to live the rest of his days in Russia. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: WhatTheGox on April 01, 2015, 09:51:28 AM https://i.imgur.com/jR54sBI.jpg Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/26/leave-facebook-snooped-on-warns-eu-safe-harbour-privacy-us) << The European Commission has warned EU citizens that they should close their Facebook accounts if they want to keep information private from US security services, finding that current Safe Harbour legislation does not protect citizen's data. The comments were made by EC attorney Bernhard Schima in a case brought by privacy campaigner Maximilian Schrems, looking at whether the data of EU citizens should be considered safe if sent to the US in a post-Snowden revelation landscape. "You might consider closing your Facebook account, if you have one", Schima told attorney general Yves Bot in a hearing of the case at the European court of justice in Luxembourg. When asked directly, the commission could not confirm to the court that the Safe Harbour rules provide adequate protection of EU citizens' data as it currently stands. >> I have a facebook account purely to keep myself in a relationship status at this point lol how sad is that. Im going to try and get my and partners facebook deleted though. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: --Encrypted-- on April 01, 2015, 10:14:22 AM I have four active facebook accounts that uses completely false personal informations. am I safe or not?
Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. Actually Facebook collects data in the background processes of your computer even when you aren't signed in. You agree to this in the TOS.Why did anyone sign up for Total Information Awareness book anyway? what's a Total Information Awareness? I searched for it in the internet but found nothing that ties it with facebook. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: shogdite on April 01, 2015, 10:20:37 AM I have four active facebook accounts that uses completely false personal informations. am I safe or not? Facebook doesn't have access to any information you don't give it. It's perfectly avoidable. Actually Facebook collects data in the background processes of your computer even when you aren't signed in. You agree to this in the TOS.Why did anyone sign up for Total Information Awareness book anyway? what's a Total Information Awareness? I searched for it in the internet but found nothing that ties it with facebook. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/IAO-logo.png/270px-IAO-logo.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness Quote Total Information Awareness (TIA) was a program of the US Information Awareness Office. It was operated from February until May 2003, before being renamed as the Terrorism Information Awareness Program.[4][5] Based on the concept of predictive policing, TIA aimed to gather detailed information about individuals in order to anticipate and prevent crimes before they are committed.[6] As part of efforts to win the War on Terror, the program searched for all sorts of personal information in the hunt for terrorists around the globe.[7] According to Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), TIA was the "biggest surveillance program in the history of the United States".[8] The program was suspended in late 2003 by the United States Congress after media reports criticized the government for attempting to establish "Total Information Awareness" over all citizens.[9][10][11] Although the program was formally suspended, its data mining software was later adopted by other government agencies, with only superficial changes being made. According to a 2012 New York Times article, the legacy of Total Information Awareness is "quietly thriving" at the National Security Agency (NSA).[12] It's the all-seeing-eye mofo :) Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: criptix on April 01, 2015, 01:21:53 PM The internet will soon consist of only google with their truth algo and facebook with this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-29/big-brother-here-facebook-reveals-its-master-plan-control-all-news-flow Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: --Encrypted-- on April 01, 2015, 01:29:35 PM It's the all-seeing-eye mofo :) well, I've read that. I just don't know what does it have anything to do with facebook. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: countryfree on April 01, 2015, 01:47:36 PM I have four active facebook accounts that uses completely false personal informations. am I safe or not? Congratulations. I guess a huge part of FB accounts are fake. I know that because on several occasions I've been offered to buy "friends" on FB. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: shogdite on April 01, 2015, 03:15:50 PM It's the all-seeing-eye mofo :) well, I've read that. I just don't know what does it have anything to do with facebook. I think he was just referring to the fact that Facebook is a data mining dream for certain 3 letter agencies and is more than likely played a huge role in the TIA program. Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: criptix on April 01, 2015, 03:30:33 PM It's the all-seeing-eye mofo :) well, I've read that. I just don't know what does it have anything to do with facebook. I think he was just referring to the fact that Facebook is a data mining dream for certain 3 letter agencies and is more than likely played a huge role in the TIA program. Quite funny that nearly every terrorist organisation has a Facebook or twitter account x) Title: Re: Leave Facebook if you don't want to be snooped on, warns EU Post by: shogdite on April 01, 2015, 03:39:01 PM It's the all-seeing-eye mofo :) well, I've read that. I just don't know what does it have anything to do with facebook. I think he was just referring to the fact that Facebook is a data mining dream for certain 3 letter agencies and is more than likely played a huge role in the TIA program. Quite funny that nearly every terrorist organisation has a Facebook or twitter account x) Yeah I'm sure Bin Laden made regular updates to his Facebook account ;) I agree groups like ISIS are much more social media savvy, probably going to bite them in the ass at some point. |
