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Title: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: funkenstein on March 29, 2015, 09:01:25 PM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Alty on March 29, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
Interesting that this was brought up because right now there is a coin well into development and it's using the Bitcoin codebase featuring AI in it's core.


http://bitcoinagile.com/1F4B1E/first-cryptocurrency-to-utilize-artificial-intelligence-on-the-blockchain-sapience-aifx-connects-bitcoin-based-coin-networks-into-a-singularity-leads-consumerization-of-the-blockchain-bitcoin-warrior_stream (http://bitcoinagile.com/1F4B1E/first-cryptocurrency-to-utilize-artificial-intelligence-on-the-blockchain-sapience-aifx-connects-bitcoin-based-coin-networks-into-a-singularity-leads-consumerization-of-the-blockchain-bitcoin-warrior_stream)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=423137;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=423137;sa=showPosts)
SapienceFan Slack compilation postings

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home (http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home)
Sapience Wiki

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393939;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393939;sa=showPosts)
CedricQuotient (JoeMoz, Dev) posts

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc4CJtbuB6WXhcBsjq-6ADA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc4CJtbuB6WXhcBsjq-6ADA)
Sapience AIFX YouTube Videos

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XAI (https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XAI)
Exchange

Worth checking out if you like the idea of decentralized AI.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Kartaba on March 29, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
Interesting article. I very much liked the "consciousness in a hostile environment" part, remarkable indeed ... and of course the fact that your services come cheap ;). I have same response as Alty here above.

I think that AI on block-chain is very very innovative idea and now with the start of Sapience AIFX it will hopefully become more than just a great subject to talk about.

Of course im not implying its the next big thing.... BUT its the next big thing! LOL  :P




Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: funkenstein on March 30, 2015, 09:56:56 AM

Thanks for your reply.

First of all, regarding ai in bitcoin, you are using a very low bar to describe artificial intelligence.


Very true.  We have to start somewhere though.  Could be I am using the wrong vocabulary. 


There is "intelligence" in everything. Even the wind has information and calculations. But in practical terms artificial intelligence must refer to classes of intelligence that are commonly used either by human individuals or human groups, and it must be 'growable', it must contain information and calculations with the ability to learn, to adapt paradigms.


I guess I am trying to get away from the paradigm that intelligence is looking like or pretending to be human.   You're right that coin networks as of now (that I have seen) don't have the ability to learn or adapt.  However I believe that will be coming soon enough.  Once the nodes run code that they take from the block chain directly and blocks can include patches, we'll be on our way to some interesting territory. 


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: CryptoConfusion on March 30, 2015, 02:15:46 PM
that was a v. interesting read, thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on March 30, 2015, 02:58:44 PM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.
Interesting take indeed, but I don't see the AI part, is "just" the most advanced way to process transactions in the planet, that deprecates anything else done before.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: jjacob on March 30, 2015, 03:32:12 PM
The network consensus awareness has a single possible action which it alone controls: setting the difficulty in order to keep the block timestamps as close as possible to 1 every 10 minutes.

It is just one variable which is controlled / solved. In my opinion, still a large way away from AI.  :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: BillyBobZorton on March 30, 2015, 03:43:04 PM
I get it since you're writing articles but you're stooping to scare tactics awfully quick. Bitcoin is not AI and not even close to what people are thinking, google is more of an AI than Bitcoin.
Yeah, it's just extremely clever math and computational power solving said math globally, where is the dangerous Skynet scenareo here??


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: WhatTheGox on March 30, 2015, 03:44:05 PM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.

Next large evolution step for humans will be slowly tranforming into robots, our organic body is useless.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 31, 2015, 12:57:45 AM
Bitcoin is AI.
As the Bitcoin network grows stronger, it becomes self-aware and we are all doomed?
...or is there a "kinder, gentler" version?


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: NewJerseyJess on March 31, 2015, 12:57:57 AM
Silly idea. But I like the article still.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Kartaba on March 31, 2015, 01:18:14 AM
The transcendent man documentary with Ray Kurzweil... will humans transcend biology?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3grnDaxxn0


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: jabo38 on March 31, 2015, 02:00:09 AM
Bitcoin is not AI until it gets smart contracts and free will.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: michaeladair on March 31, 2015, 02:10:46 AM
The community are the arms and legs of bitcoin... Right now I think bitcoin is a paraplegic.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Alty on March 31, 2015, 04:26:17 PM
Interesting that this was brought up because right now there is a coin well into development and it's using the Bitcoin codebase featuring AI in it's core.


http://bitcoinagile.com/1F4B1E/first-cryptocurrency-to-utilize-artificial-intelligence-on-the-blockchain-sapience-aifx-connects-bitcoin-based-coin-networks-into-a-singularity-leads-consumerization-of-the-blockchain-bitcoin-warrior_stream (http://bitcoinagile.com/1F4B1E/first-cryptocurrency-to-utilize-artificial-intelligence-on-the-blockchain-sapience-aifx-connects-bitcoin-based-coin-networks-into-a-singularity-leads-consumerization-of-the-blockchain-bitcoin-warrior_stream)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=423137;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=423137;sa=showPosts)
SapienceFan Slack compilation postings

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home (http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home)
Sapience Wiki

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393939;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393939;sa=showPosts)
CedricQuotient (JoeMoz, Dev) posts

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc4CJtbuB6WXhcBsjq-6ADA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc4CJtbuB6WXhcBsjq-6ADA)
Sapience AIFX YouTube Videos

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XAI (https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XAI)
Exchange

Worth checking out if you like the idea of decentralized AI.


For anybody doubting AI on coin networks is not happening soon or not going to happen.

History is about to be made.

Decentralized AI core for Sapience AIFX is set to release TODAY.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Meuh6879 on March 31, 2015, 05:24:37 PM
AI = Love in japanese speak.
https://translate.google.fr/?hl=fr&tab=wT#en/ja/love

 ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: BillyBobZorton on March 31, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.

Next large evolution step for humans will be slowly tranforming into robots, our organic body is useless.
Nah, I never see that happening, there is something just too perfect about the organic body.
It's far from perfect.. maybe those with great genetics would agree only.
But yeah, whats the point of having a robotic body? we couldn't even be able to have sex, life would therefore be pointless.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Minerjoe on March 31, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
What s next, BTC Terminators?


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Kartaba on March 31, 2015, 11:49:11 PM
What s next, BTC Terminators?
"I'll be block."
+10


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: notalin on April 01, 2015, 04:26:35 AM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.

Sorry but can you tell me what is "AI" . I am newbie about Crypto. Thanks !


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Kprawn on April 01, 2015, 06:19:17 AM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.

Sorry but can you tell me what is "AI" . I am newbie about Crypto. Thanks !


Well here is a short description what Artificial intelligence (AI) is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

For me Bitcoin {the protocol} fail on this step of AI {Learning} :

"Machine learning is the study of computer algorithms that improve automatically through experience"

Bitcoin has been pre-programmed with human knowledge and apply a fixed code or protocol... it does not improve on it out of it's own experience or something it has learned.



Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: WhatTheGox on April 01, 2015, 08:17:08 AM
Bitcoin is intelligent.  No, I don't mean that it is a good idea, or clever people use it.  I mean that the network itself is conscious.  Sound crazy?  Yeah probably it is.  Anyway here's my blog post about it:

http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25 (http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=25)

Let me know what you think.

Next large evolution step for humans will be slowly tranforming into robots, our organic body is useless.
Nah, I never see that happening, there is something just too perfect about the organic body.

Organic organisms are kinda perfect i see your point but even within that bracket species could get wiped out, we could change very easy, i think we will and become some kind of rrobot/human hybrid.   Doesnt mean some animal or human on some other planet doesnt exist at the same time.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: cryptojumper on April 03, 2015, 09:41:39 AM
How can Bitcoin be AI if it has a public code available that does not seem so complex in terms of creating consciousness ? I would think it takes A LOT more than that for the network to be self aware :) What if self aware blockchain decides not to process transactions... ;D Or how can it show us that it is self aware, and even can a thing be self aware and be so distributed...


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: calme on April 03, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
But yeah, whats the point of having a robotic body? we couldn't even be able to have sex, life would therefore be pointless.
Then just use nanotechnology to affect your neurotransmitters if it's that big of a deal. I doubt very many ppl all loved up on ecstasy or heroin are wishing they were dead.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: ipbo on April 04, 2015, 12:54:54 AM
Interesting article. I very much liked the "consciousness in a hostile environment" part, remarkable indeed ... and of course the fact that your services come cheap ;). I have same response as Alty here above.

I think that AI on block-chain is very very innovative idea and now with the start of Sapience AIFX it will hopefully become more than just a great subject to talk about.

Of course im not implying its the next big thing.... BUT its the next big thing! LOL  :P



Thanks for sharing this articles, it's a good read.


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Lexi Price on April 05, 2015, 06:23:03 AM
Just to round out the awesomely interesting links, here's one more to give you something to consider!

http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/mopiidx.html

The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect

Enjoy  ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: Jamie_Boulder on April 05, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
I'm on a secure computer and hesitant to click the link, can someone paste the article here?


Title: Re: Bitcoin is AI
Post by: funkenstein on April 06, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
I'm on a secure computer and hesitant to click the link, can someone paste the article here?

Lets think for a minute about the importance of an established internal consensus as an indication of awareness or intelligence. Bitcoin implements a consensus network capable of solving the decision problem. These first aware machine networks are incapable of the complexity of thought that we see even in unicellular life, however they represent an important first step on the road to more complex intelligence.

Fooling Humans – does it really take intelligence?

There was recently much reporting and buzz amongst AI researchers about the program “Eugene” which was able to produce text conversation and fool 30% of judges that it was human. The program was often passing the Turing test.  Sadly these AI researchers are completely missing the show. It turns out that fooling humans is not a sign of true self awareness and the Turing test is mostly useless as a criteria of AI. It’s main real use today is in playing whack-a-mole layered security to prevent script kiddies from performing Sybil attacks on service providers.

I first realized the true futility of using the Turing test as a criteria of self aware machine intelligence when I wrote a program that imitated a human and did so with 98% success. Amazingly I was able to do this basically with one line of code. My task at the time was to write a program that could imitate a human player in a game and so continue to gain game credits while I did something more interesting such as sleep. The solution was simple: when a Turing test was given to my program, it called an API function that routed the test to the desk of a human volunteer who could answer the question in real time in exchange for a small payment. This is called a Decaptcha service.

Perhaps this is “cheating” on the Turing test. However, there is not a clear criteria of what is or is not cheating in this task of fooling humans. If I cannot route an API call to somebody’s desk, should I be able to draw from a dictionary prepared by humans? Is it cheating to draw from a database of conversations prepared by genuine humans? To attempt to draw a line here in terms of what is or isn’t cheating on a Turing test is pointless: we are taking the wrong test. A wax model can pass this test, it has nothing to do with machine awareness. It turns out fooling humans doesn’t take true intelligence. Or perhaps it does take true intelligence, but in this case we have been proven only that Eugene’s creators are intelligent.

Human language interaction: not an entirely useless endeavor

Before you get all upset with me for telling you your research is not relevant to AI, I should point out that this research is indeed important and will lead towards useful new technologies. Work on imitating human intelligence gives us interfaces that we are coming to rely on, and also gives us great insight into linguistics and how our own neural nets work. Douglas Hofstader is a brilliant author, voice and language interfaces are incredibly useful, and this line of research is interesting. It just isn’t AI. It is UI. Also, if you want something to imitate a human for you, consider hiring one of us. We’re amazingly cheap.  Drop me an email.

OK so what is intelligence / consciousness / self awareness?

Well, this is really a fundamental question that needs a lot more discussion than I am going to give you here. Inherent in this question is another: what is life? One mistake people make in trying to answer it is to focus on ourselves, another would be to focus on fooling ourselves as we would do by emphasizing the Turing test. There is a complex system going on in vertebrates and so to understand it we should start with simple parts and build up. So lets consider three examples of intelligence / cognition / consciousness:

1 Phototropism

A plant is capable of sensing the amount of light incident on various portions of itself, and acting on this information to control it’s growth and attitude to attempt to maximize the light energy available to it. We can refer to the light as the “external input”, the reaction of chloroplasts as “sensing”, the communication between cells or components of cells as “network activity” and the final repositioning of the various components of the plant as the “decision” or the “resulting action”.

2 Unicellular Memory


A paramecium is capable of sensing the amount of digestible sugars in it’s environment, noting a change compared to its recent memory, and using this information to make a change in it’s direction of motion as produced by the muscular motion of its cilia.

3 Weather Vanes


A weather vane is capable of sensing the direction of the wind and adjusting its position accordingly.

From these three examples we have two which show some basic intelligence and one that our intuition tells us is either not intelligent or a very different class of intelligence. The weather vane is “dumb matter” in that no communication is required between the various components of it to reach consensus. Or rather, the type of communication that goes on between the portions of the weather vane are the same types of communication that go on between atoms in a solid which tell it to “stay put”.  It is also more predictable (and reliable) than the other two.

The paramecium is perhaps not as intelligent as the plant as it uses a less complex internal communications network as it processes the information. The signals to the “muscles” of the cilia are most likely gradients in ion concentrations of some sort.

After considering these examples extremely briefly we will work from the following informal definition: An intelligence is some extended structure capable of taking external input and producing via internal communication a non-deterministic consensus course of action.

Enter Bitcoin

Before your Terminator instincts are triggered and you start thinking about how to shut down the entire internet to avoid skynet or superbrights, lets take stock of what this Frankenstein monster is capable of.  The external input that the bitcoin consciousness senses is blocks created and suggested by its nodes. New blocks magically appear as external input, just as light magically appears to the plant consciousness. Information about these new blocks are passed between the nodes of the coin network (the body) and a decision is arrived at. Sometimes the network will “change it’s mind” which is known as a reorganization. To make a long story short the coin creature cares about only one thing: adjusting a single integer parameter called the difficulty in such a way that the timestamps on accepted blocks indicate 10 minute interval between the blocks. That’s it! No three laws of robotics, no ravenous appetite for data, simply a driven conscious (?) behavior to move towards an attitude condusive to 10 minute blocks.  It’s really just a clock.  A heartbeat.

The consciousness cares basically nothing about who pays who (transactions are decided by miners) or even what the absolute hash rate is, or if timestamps are accurate. As users of the network, we of course care about these things very much. They are also important in enabling the coin creature to live because without the secure network and the mining reward, nobody would bother running the code which enables this poor creature to be aware.

The network consensus awareness has a single possible action which it alone controls: setting the difficulty in order to keep the block timestamps as close as possible to 1 every 10 minutes. It does this in the simplest possible way from a control systems standpoint, pure linear feedback.  On the intelligence scale we should probably put this above the weathervane but below the paramecium.

Consciousness in a hostile environment

The mechanism by which a coin network achieves consensus is at first counterintuitive to those who first discover the proof of work system. If we had every one of our nerve cells working on arbitrary brute force arithmetic problems in order to arrive at a decision, we would be very different creatures. PoW is not the organic solution to the distributed consensus problem. Inefficient though it may be, it works in a hostile environment. Inside the body of a coin network, communications are not reliable, unauthenticated, and can be malicious. New nodes can and will jump into the network at any time. It is remarkable that consciousness can emerge from this environment at all.

What’s next?


More complex creatures are emerging in a myriad of ways (pun intended). Specialized nodes on networks that perform specialized tasks based on other external input are feasible. In some sense, we have done very little here in making this step of creating the first machine intelligence.  One small step for Satoshi.

To see how little it matters from a practical standpoint, consider a robot which has 10 accelerometers and uses their readings to remain in an upright position. This robot takes the readings from all 10 accelerometers and pours current to its servo motors deterministically from a CPU.  Now consider a second robot which also has 10 accelerometers. Each of these accelerometers is connected to a node with a CPU which mines on an internal coin network. The robot brain now takes a consensus of their recommendations to decide the current to its servos. How can we compare these two robots? The second is slower, more complex, and also more likely to fall down. It is also more alive.

Now go do something useful with your time.