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Title: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Jakesy on March 31, 2015, 08:10:32 PM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: AmDD on March 31, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
Id look at something like contracts. Is it possible? I think so.   Do I know how to do it? No idea...

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts



Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: infovortice2013 on March 31, 2015, 08:27:30 PM
make a paper wallet, and give it to a notarium, or safebox in bank or wherever


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: teukon on March 31, 2015, 08:40:57 PM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?

I guess you could create and sign a custom transaction, moving your bitcoins from your current address A to a new address B.  You'd want to set the "sequence" field of your input to 0 (anything other than 0xffffffff will do) and set the lock_time for the transaction to a UNIX timestamp, say 1585699200 (1st April, 2020).  This transaction should only be valid when included in a block with a timestamp greater than this.  You can keep your private key to address B somewhere safe, backup the signed transaction, and destroy the private key to address A.  Then the only way you will ever retrieve these bitcoins will be to wait for 5 years and then broadcast the transaction.

I'm fuzzy on the details.  You might want to double-check my claims and maybe even do a test run before throwing your Bitcoin savings at this.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: pedrog on March 31, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
That's a very bad idea, you should always be able to spend your money, we never know what the future will bring, you might not be here to spend that money in five years...


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on March 31, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?
 

Develop self-discipline. 

If you have a gambling problem, join gamblers anonymous.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: SirChiko on March 31, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?
You could just simply make paper wallet, store it somewhere and sign contract about withdrawing it let's say at 1st january of 2020 or just give it to some fammily member and tell them to secure it aginst you ;D


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Meuh6879 on March 31, 2015, 08:58:36 PM
i have plug a USB key from 10 years ... no problem (32Mb - commercial sample AD marked).
bitcoin core wallet = 88ko.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: ebliever on March 31, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
As others have said, it's a good idea to be able to access your money at any time if you really need it, and self-discipline is important for a  multitude of reasons.

What I'd suggest is putting the money in a multi-sig wallet, and then have one of the keys held by someone you trust completely (ideally a spouse, but perhaps a parent would also be suitable), and explain the timeframe you have in mind and why. If you need the money early, all you have to do is convince them...


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: coinableS on March 31, 2015, 10:09:45 PM
Completely serious and not being rude, but building some patience and self discipline is all you should need. Just compare it to something that takes much longer and then 5 years doesn't seem so long anymore.  For example, how long until your 401k matures so you can withdraw penalty free? How much longer do you have to pay on your mortgage? How long until social security? Etc.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: dhimasnk on March 31, 2015, 10:29:16 PM
You want to keep your bitcoin for 5 years, why did you do it? Do you not fear that prices will fall?
To save BTC in a long time I guess paper wallet highly recommended


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: OpenOcean on March 31, 2015, 11:12:28 PM
Cold store paper wallet.

Make multiple copies.

Hand each copy to a different safety box.

Might want to wait for good multi-sig to come out, for extra insurance.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: moko666 on March 31, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
paper wallet and store it somewhere that you won't able to access before 5 years


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: vankoovo on April 01, 2015, 05:16:18 AM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?

Thanks for your question ! I also have a question like your question.

Someone here can help !


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: toytoboy on April 01, 2015, 05:39:18 AM
That's a very bad idea, you should always be able to spend your money, we never know what the future will bring, you might not be here to spend that money in five years...

I agree with you with this answer. Nothing guarantee Bitcoin will exist in the next 5 years


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Q7 on April 01, 2015, 05:43:20 AM
Eventually it all goes back to yourself on how you control the spending desire. Yeah you can assign some program to lock it or do whatever is needed but main thing it still goes back to you. Similarly like your finances, it all depends on how you manage it.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Kazimir on April 01, 2015, 07:03:44 AM
You shouldn't keep yourself from spending your BTC.

On the contrary. If you believe in Bitcoin and want it to prosper, you should spend as much BTC as possible - but also keep buying back the same amount (on exchanges or whatever) to keep your Bitcoin balance on par. Same result as not spending bitcoins, except now you help Bitcoin propagate and stimulate the Bitcoin economy.

Remember, Bitcoin is going nowhere if everybody just keeps it in their pockets, silently waiting for others to do something.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: tokeweed on April 01, 2015, 07:36:56 AM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?

Send them to me. I'll keep them for you.  ;D


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Aswan on April 01, 2015, 07:41:46 AM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?


You can create an nTimeLock Tx that sends those BTC to another address you control and will only become valid after 5 years. You then safe the Tx and the destination address somewhere safe and delete the sending address.

That way, no matter what you try, you won't be able to cash the Tx before the time lock elapsed.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: neoneros on April 01, 2015, 07:47:55 AM
I guess you could create and sign a custom transaction, moving your bitcoins from your current address A to a new address B.  You'd want to set the "sequence" field of your input to 0 (anything other than 0xffffffff will do) and set the lock_time for the transaction to a UNIX timestamp, say 1585699200 (1st April, 2020).  This transaction should only be valid when included in a block with a timestamp greater than this.  You can keep your private key to address B somewhere safe, backup the signed transaction, and destroy the private key to address A.  Then the only way you will ever retrieve these bitcoins will be to wait for 5 years and then broadcast the transaction.

I'm fuzzy on the details.  You might want to double-check my claims and maybe even do a test run before throwing your Bitcoin savings at this.

This is a very nice and fool proof sollution, (ab)using the blockchain technology, very creative thinking. But why store the coin for five years? Just to hope it will go over the top? Do you have a spending or gambling problem?

USB storage is a bit risky, digital storage can go wrong, a paper and a safe would be a better option, preferably multiple instances kept apart.

Multisig requires three keys and two confirmations, what if in five years two of the keys are lost? You have a locked multisig address for ever.

Self discipline is best, and not worrying about spending even better, buy some new everytime you spend them or go in lengths to earn some!


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Minerjoe on April 01, 2015, 08:02:12 AM
Transfer your coin to USB stick, take the stick to your bank and put it in a safe there.

Going there again, accessing the safe and transferring the coins back s gonna be sufficient deterrent for you to spend your coins.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: RhodaGila on April 01, 2015, 08:16:28 AM
In what ways do you have this bitcoin? Why should it be kept up for so long, up to 5 years. Is it because the price is now so low?
Anything can happen with this coin. Why do not you keep growing and multiplying.

But I also can not impose it, on this point there is a saying "Do not put all your eggs in one basket"............


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: adworker on April 01, 2015, 08:29:56 AM
I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Paper wallet and put it in place where it will take you some serious effort to get it - bank deposit box, parent house and so on. The point is you will not spend it with impulse move, but when you really need it you will take the effort and get your paper wallet


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Snail2 on April 01, 2015, 08:32:02 AM
Self control maybe ;)?


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: randy8777 on April 01, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Self control maybe ;)?

not going to work for op. it's not that hard to just leave your coins in offline storage for a few years.
if you believe in bitcoin being worth more in the next year it should be easy to not spend them.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: WhatTheGox on April 01, 2015, 08:48:51 AM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?

Work very hard in other areas or perhaps even a bitcoin business.  You are going to have to spend some if they price goes up very high like $10k.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Jeremycoin on April 01, 2015, 09:05:25 AM
Go to the future with time machine, and just left your BTCitcoin in the safest place.
Haha, just kidding ;D

Maybe you can make a paper wallet with the private key inside of course.
Then Keep it in the tomb it in your backyard ;)


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: dothebeats on April 01, 2015, 09:07:42 AM
Best thing that you can do is to print a paper wallet and store those coins into that. Put it in a safety deposit box of some sort that you do not have the control and you'll be fine. Also, if you don't want others to store it for you, just develop self-discipline, as it will get you more positive results for you and your money.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: coinplus on April 01, 2015, 09:31:14 AM
Store/back up your bitcoins in multiple different methods and forget it. Live on other source of income and gather more bitcoin. To stop spending bitcoin, collecting it is the best way. Make a big target, till that get a resolution not to spend single satoshi.... That's all


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Eastfist on April 01, 2015, 10:16:17 AM
You gotta spend it. Or maybe spend half and keep the other half. This early in the game, if the "popularity" of Bitcoin tanked, it wouldn't be worth it. It's like a beating heart, you gotta keep the blood flowing in order for it to be useful in the long run.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: notalin on April 01, 2015, 10:46:52 AM
Nothing guarantee for that.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Beliathon on April 01, 2015, 12:35:16 PM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?
If you don't trust yourself, you need to trust someone else. Give some cold stored btc to a trusted loved one.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Hazir on April 01, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
Self control maybe ;)?

not going to work for op. it's not that hard to just leave your coins in offline storage for a few years.
if you believe in bitcoin being worth more in the next year it should be easy to not spend them.
If op is not poor and have normal FIAT income it should be fairly easy for him to not spend his bitcoins. Save it and keep as long-term investment. Deposit it as cold wallet in bank vault or give to your mother or someone you really trust. I could be a problem if Op will be in trouble and will be desperately in need of money, but heck I would sell all my coins too if I would need money for medical treatment or something like that too.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: countryfree on April 01, 2015, 01:02:59 PM
When I quit smoking (at age 26), I kept a pack of cigarettes and a lighter in my pocket for 2 weeks, just to challenge my willpower, and I succeeded. Are you faithful to your wife/girlfriend? Temptations are everywhere, you just need to learn self-control.

Now, spending isn't an issue, the real problem is how to earn more BTC.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Jakesy on April 01, 2015, 03:18:48 PM
You shouldn't keep yourself from spending your BTC.

On the contrary. If you believe in Bitcoin and want it to prosper, you should spend as much BTC as possible - but also keep buying back the same amount (on exchanges or whatever) to keep your Bitcoin balance on par. Same result as not spending bitcoins, except now you help Bitcoin propagate and stimulate the Bitcoin economy.

Remember, Bitcoin is going nowhere if everybody just keeps it in their pockets, silently waiting for others to do something.

People assume a lot in here.

I have bitcoins to SPEND, I have bitcoins to SAVE, and I have bitcoins for LONG-TERM savings.

I just wanted a way to make them unspendable for a set amount of time.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: BillyBobZorton on April 01, 2015, 03:54:44 PM
Is there a way I can make BTC unspendable in the next 5 years?  I know it's "programmable money," but can I do this outside of a 3rd party app?

I can keep my BTC in cold storage, but the temptation will always be there to take it out of the safe and spend it.  What's the best way to store it for a given amount of time if you don't trust yourself?

Think of it like a CD.  Is there a viable option that exists now?

You can always spend your BTC if you want no matter how many measures you take, so what you should do is try to learn to fight the urge, or limit yourself to cashing out only a small amount monthly at best (given you are making more BTC in the way).


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Amph on April 01, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
paper wallet/usb inside a plastic thing then seal them inside a stone made of cement, then put that thing under ground(3 meters) and you are done, just be sure to not remember your private key via "brainwallet"


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Minerjoe on April 01, 2015, 06:59:29 PM
You shouldn't keep yourself from spending your BTC.

On the contrary. If you believe in Bitcoin and want it to prosper, you should spend as much BTC as possible - but also keep buying back the same amount (on exchanges or whatever) to keep your Bitcoin balance on par. Same result as not spending bitcoins, except now you help Bitcoin propagate and stimulate the Bitcoin economy.

Remember, Bitcoin is going nowhere if everybody just keeps it in their pockets, silently waiting for others to do something.

People assume a lot in here.

I have bitcoins to SPEND, I have bitcoins to SAVE, and I have bitcoins for LONG-TERM savings.

I just wanted a way to make them unspendable for a set amount of time.

What are you afraid? BTC being stolen or you not being able to resist to spend those?


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: YuKiang on April 01, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
1) You don't know if BTC will survive for that long (Not being bullish.)
2) You can simply put them in cold storage. Throw them on a few USBs and forget about it for 5 years.
3) Invest in big companies.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Minerjoe on April 01, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
1) You don't know if BTC will survive for that long (Not being bullish.)
2) You can simply put them in cold storage. Throw them on a few USBs and forget about it for 5 years.
3) Invest in big companies.

What kind of point is that, number 1. Sure it s gonna survive, you defeatist.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: RTRC on April 01, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Learn self-control. Really, it is one of the most important skills to have in life.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: Minerjoe on April 01, 2015, 07:15:15 PM
Learn self-control. Really, it is one of the most important skills to have in life.

I would also add limitless patience. That s one of the most important traits professional investors have.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: spazzdla on April 01, 2015, 07:26:29 PM
That's a very bad idea, you should always be able to spend your money, we never know what the future will bring, you might not be here to spend that money in five years...

This.

Just make it so it's not super easy.

Make a paper wallet with an OFFLINE COMPUTER(I cannot stress this enough) put them there.  The few steps should stop you from any impulse buys.


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: GenTarkin on April 01, 2015, 09:48:55 PM
You can go find a girlfriend that makes u throw away the hard drive that has ur wallet on it. That way  a lil while later u'd be sifting through the local garbage dump, crying...
Reminds me of a story.... oh wait...


Title: Re: How can I keep MYSELF from spending my BTC in the next 5 years?
Post by: teukon on April 01, 2015, 11:47:16 PM
People assume a lot in here.

I have bitcoins to SPEND, I have bitcoins to SAVE, and I have bitcoins for LONG-TERM savings.

I just wanted a way to make them unspendable for a set amount of time.

That they do.  You have 44 replies to your question so far (excluding this one).  In summary, Aswan and I have posted answers and the remaining 42 second guess you, assume you're an idiot, or are off-topic.

If you want a higher signal-to-noise ratio try reposting in the "Development & Technical Discussion" subforum or, better yet, try searching for older discussions on the same topic (try the search terms: "lock_time" or "nlocktime").

If I have time and you're in no hurry, I'd be interested in helping you through the details (PM me) but you may well find someone more knowledgable and with more time for this, especially if you offer a small bounty.