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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 10:09:30 AM



Title: Live Casino Questions
Post by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 10:09:30 AM
I want to play Roulette using a live casino. I know Cloudbet and Fortunejack both have live dealers with roulette. Is the love dealer with Roulette really live? Anyone have any experience  with those two casinos and there live dealers?   

If no one likes the above for live dealers which ones of you recommend for live Roulette table and dealers?   


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: syamster on April 01, 2015, 10:51:52 AM
I have the same doubt also, I played live roullete in fortunejack, I think they are real, but I am not 100% sure, may be any other will clear doubt...


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ShetKid on April 01, 2015, 10:54:30 AM
I want to play Roulette using a live casino. I know Cloudbet and Fortunejack both have live dealers with roulette. Is the love dealer with Roulette really live? Anyone have any experience  with those two casinos and there live dealers?   

If no one likes the above for live dealers which ones of you recommend for live Roulette table and dealers?   

I have played on cloudbet and mbit before. Yes they are actually live. Some people have stupid theories that they use a magnet stopper or something to make you lose, but they forget to realize that it is not just one person making the bets live.
And to prove they are actually live, they use to call out your name and reply to your comments on the chat. So I have never had any reason to doubt them .


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: SyGambler on April 01, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
i like bitcasino live games
I made a nice profit there and they have a plenty of live games


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: pozmu on April 01, 2015, 11:51:47 AM
I never had a doubt that live dealers are actually live but now I'm starting to have some doubts.
It's not a problem to have a pre-recorded scenes of roulette, I don't think they actually place your chips on the table? And as for calling out your name, this can be recorded during the game too... Conspiracy theories anyone  ??? ;D


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ShetKid on April 01, 2015, 11:54:33 AM
I never had a doubt that live dealers are actually live but now I'm starting to have some doubts.
It's not a problem to have a pre-recorded scenes of roulette, I don't think they actually place your chips on the table? And as for calling out your name, this can be recorded during the game too... Conspiracy theories anyone  ??? ;D
Well I have had names weird enough. And even if they had pre-recorded games they would have to record something with my name on it, and would have to know before hand that I would bet on Red or black to make me lose. They don't cut the video in between, so I am sure we can rule that out.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Bitcasino was accused on manipulating there live games here and they didn't deny it from what I can tell 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395617.680

i like bitcasino live games
I made a nice profit there and they have a plenty of live games


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: pozmu on April 01, 2015, 12:08:35 PM
Well I have had names weird enough. And even if they had pre-recorded games they would have to record something with my name on it, and would have to know before hand that I would bet on Red or black to make me lose. They don't cut the video in between, so I am sure we can rule that out.

I mean they could just record your name during the game and mix it into calling out "scene"
As for black/red they could only cheat when bets on one color would be significantly larger.
But just a conspiracy theory, I don't really think they cheat, but it's technically possible.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: twister on April 01, 2015, 12:16:55 PM
My suggestion to you OP is if you want to play roulette live, just go to an actual casino. Online live can be manipulated, so either do that or just stick to the normal roulette tables where each spin can be verified.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ajaxmoor on April 01, 2015, 12:26:37 PM
I have bet on Cloudbet as well several times. They do call out your name in the start as you join the table. So they don't really add videos pre-recorded. I also had a problem once, and requested a manager to be called, and they did that.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 01:00:28 PM
I know how to test the feed. All of the Roulette tables on all of the Bitcoin casinos use the same feed. So basically have the same feed up from 2 different casinos and see if they get the same results. If no then we have the verdict that they are all rigged and recorded   


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: SyGambler on April 01, 2015, 01:16:20 PM
Bitcasino was accused on manipulating there live games here and they didn't deny it from what I can tell 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395617.680

i like bitcasino live games
I made a nice profit there and they have a plenty of live games

yeah i saw that
but there is no clear evidence it's just an accusation

I'm not defending ,, they may be cheaters but till now there is no clear evidence


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: fox19891989 on April 01, 2015, 01:26:37 PM
I have bet on Cloudbet as well several times. They do call out your name in the start as you join the table. So they don't really add videos pre-recorded. I also had a problem once, and requested a manager to be called, and they did that.


Maybe cloudbet uses the real live games, but I am sure some other casino live games are rigged, and it's recorded before. So they can easily manipulate the result.

If you guys wanna play real live games, just go to real casinos, or play in famous casinos, like bodog, bet365, williamhill. They don't rig the live games. And they have enough money to hire a lot of beautiful live dealers.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: Astargath on April 01, 2015, 01:38:08 PM
Bitcasino was accused on manipulating there live games here and they didn't deny it from what I can tell 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395617.680

i like bitcasino live games
I made a nice profit there and they have a plenty of live games

yeah i saw that
but there is no clear evidence it's just an accusation

I'm not defending ,, they may be cheaters but till now there is no clear evidence

And how would that work anyways since there is more people betting at the same time unless they show a different dealer to every person, that would work indeed. Still whats the point of playing with live dealers but online, just go to a casino if you want to experience that.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ajaxmoor on April 01, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
I have bet on Cloudbet as well several times. They do call out your name in the start as you join the table. So they don't really add videos pre-recorded. I also had a problem once, and requested a manager to be called, and they did that.


Maybe cloudbet uses the real live games, but I am sure some other casino live games are rigged, and it's recorded before. So they can easily manipulate the result.

If you guys wanna play real live games, just go to real casinos, or play in famous casinos, like bodog, bet365, williamhill. They don't rig the live games. And they have enough money to hire a lot of beautiful live dealers.
Actually Cloudbet doesn't own the real live room where betting happens. They rent the service, which is offered by a 3rd party company, which offers their live room for other sites like mbit and some live casinos.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ShetKid on April 01, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
Well I have had names weird enough. And even if they had pre-recorded games they would have to record something with my name on it, and would have to know before hand that I would bet on Red or black to make me lose. They don't cut the video in between, so I am sure we can rule that out.

I mean they could just record your name during the game and mix it into calling out "scene"
As for black/red they could only cheat when bets on one color would be significantly larger.
But just a conspiracy theory, I don't really think they cheat, but it's technically possible.
They also reply back in chat when you ask them something or say things like my lucky number is 5. They do that to prove its fairness.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 03:55:41 PM
Exactly I know that thats why we need to open Roulette on one since they all get the same feed to make sure all the picked numbers are the same on all 3 casinos that supposed to use the same feed.

I have bet on Cloudbet as well several times. They do call out your name in the start as you join the table. So they don't really add videos pre-recorded. I also had a problem once, and requested a manager to be called, and they did that.


Maybe cloudbet uses the real live games, but I am sure some other casino live games are rigged, and it's recorded before. So they can easily manipulate the result.

If you guys wanna play real live games, just go to real casinos, or play in famous casinos, like bodog, bet365, williamhill. They don't rig the live games. And they have enough money to hire a lot of beautiful live dealers.
Actually Cloudbet doesn't own the real live room where betting happens. They rent the service, which is offered by a 3rd party company, which offers their live room for other sites like mbit and some live casinos.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: Wendigo on April 01, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
The dealers in the live casinos are live, actually I have played texas hold'em poker with bitcoins where you have to guess which hand will win on the river. It's pretty entertaining and the girls have monitors to see your moves like check, rises. etc.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: marketorder on April 01, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Which casino was this you played in?   


The dealers in the live casinos are live, actually I have played texas hold'em poker with bitcoins where you have to guess which hand will win on the river. It's pretty entertaining and the girls have monitors to see your moves like check, rises. etc.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ShetKid on April 01, 2015, 04:21:14 PM
Which casino was this you played in?   


The dealers in the live casinos are live, actually I have played texas hold'em poker with bitcoins where you have to guess which hand will win on the river. It's pretty entertaining and the girls have monitors to see your moves like check, rises. etc.

I am not sure what casino he played it on. But the only one I have seen so far offering live poker is : https://bitcasino.io/ . But these sites are much more fishy than the ones of live roulette.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: Slark on April 01, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
Which casino was this you played in?   


The dealers in the live casinos are live, actually I have played texas hold'em poker with bitcoins where you have to guess which hand will win on the river. It's pretty entertaining and the girls have monitors to see your moves like check, rises. etc.

I am not sure what casino he played it on. But the only one I have seen so far offering live poker is : https://bitcasino.io/ . But these sites are much more fishy than the ones of live roulette.
That is why live dealings in online casinos can be manipulated easily. You will not have no way of checking your bet so "provably fair" is like empty promise in that case. If you want 'real' experience you need to visit real establishment.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: ShetKid on April 01, 2015, 07:28:48 PM
Which casino was this you played in?   


The dealers in the live casinos are live, actually I have played texas hold'em poker with bitcoins where you have to guess which hand will win on the river. It's pretty entertaining and the girls have monitors to see your moves like check, rises. etc.

I am not sure what casino he played it on. But the only one I have seen so far offering live poker is : https://bitcasino.io/ . But these sites are much more fishy than the ones of live roulette.
That is why live dealings in online casinos can be manipulated easily. You will not have no way of checking your bet so "provably fair" is like empty promise in that case. If you want 'real' experience you need to visit real establishment.

Yes, I guess thats the way things usually are on these poker games. But again, they aren't like your normal poker, as no one folds in those hands. Cards are dealt till the river and you can bet on each street.
So basically its pure gambling and no skill in that form of poker anyways.


Title: Re: Live Casino Questions
Post by: Bit_Happy on April 01, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
The live Blackjack on Cloudbet seemed very real, and they do not need to cheat to make money.