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Title: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 09:44:15 AM like Subject,
how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: shorena on April 06, 2015, 09:49:30 AM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? Change the password to something randomly generated and do not safe the new password. it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? Admins do not delete accounts. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 06, 2015, 09:49:58 AM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? No, you can't delete an account. You can drop it by using a strong randomized password even you don't remember and logging out. and if not... why it is not possible? If the account is deleted, all posts will also be deleted or sometimes the username of OP will change to something else to keep the posts. It always is better to keep the posts because some of them maybe important. Edit: shorena already answered. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: botany on April 06, 2015, 04:15:53 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 05:23:14 PM If the account is deleted, all posts will also be deleted or sometimes the username of OP will change to something else to keep the posts. It always is better to keep the posts because some of them maybe important. Edit: shorena already answered. ok... now i understand... thank you for the answer Muhammed! i will change password with random GUID. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 05:24:23 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. but if an account was banned, it still able to post in META section?? or i understand wrong? Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: abyrnes81 on April 06, 2015, 05:27:09 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. but if an account was banned, it still able to post in META section?? or i understand wrong? No, if your account is banned you can't post here. You can only create another account and make your "complaint" about the ban, nothing else. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 05:36:19 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. in the mod log i can see 4 type of activity: "Delete reply" and "Remove topic" are very explicit... but this 2 activity??? "Nuke user" "Autoban user" what does it mean??? Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: abyrnes81 on April 06, 2015, 05:47:16 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. in the mod log i can see 4 type of activity: "Delete reply" and "Remove topic" are very explicit... but this 2 activity??? "Nuke user" "Autoban user" what does it mean??? Nake user > it is a permaBan Autoban user> a temporary ban Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 05:58:04 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. in the mod log i can see 4 type of activity: "Delete reply" and "Remove topic" are very explicit... but this 2 activity??? "Nuke user" "Autoban user" what does it mean??? Nake user > it is a permaBan Autoban user> a temporary ban ok!!! thak you for clarification abyrnes81!!! Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: Shogen on April 06, 2015, 06:20:53 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. in the mod log i can see 4 type of activity: "Delete reply" and "Remove topic" are very explicit... but this 2 activity??? "Nuke user" "Autoban user" what does it mean??? Nake user > it is a permaBan Autoban user> a temporary ban I don't think autoban is a temp ban. In https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833435.msg9315006#msg9315006, theymos said all bans listed on the modlog page are permanent. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 06, 2015, 06:52:39 PM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? it is possible? and if not... why it is not possible? The modlog lists an autoban on the account bloodDiamond. If you are still posting in sections outside meta (as you seem to be), it would be construed as ban evasion. in the mod log i can see 4 type of activity: "Delete reply" and "Remove topic" are very explicit... but this 2 activity??? "Nuke user" "Autoban user" what does it mean??? Nake user > it is a permaBan Autoban user> a temporary ban I don't think autoban is a temp ban. In https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833435.msg9315006#msg9315006, theymos said all bans listed on the modlog page are permanent. Hum Confused. Can moderators clarify? Many thaks Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 07, 2015, 03:15:49 AM Autoban is a ban applied by global mods or admins using the ban button in their profile, as opposed to manually in the admin panel. It's just the name of that particular tool. Ban durations vary, first time offenses are usually 3-5 days, sometimes 7-10 if it's excessive. Further bans depend on time since last ban, whether the violation is the same or similar, how much that user contributes, how long they've been here, etc. There are typically two tiers for sig spammers (or activity/post count farmers). First time 7 or 14 days, second time 14/30, third probably permanent. I don't think autoban is a temp ban. In https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833435.msg9315006#msg9315006, theymos said all bans listed on the modlog page are permanent. Edit: Yes, I am wrong. Only permanent bans are listed there. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: BadBear on April 07, 2015, 05:43:08 AM Autoban is permanent, unless manually removed/modified. Nuke bans and removes all of a user's posts (spambots usually). Manually applied bans won't show up in the modlog, those are usually temporary, but not always.
Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: sed on April 07, 2015, 05:52:01 AM Autoban is permanent, unless manually removed/modified. Nuke bans and removes all of a user's posts (spambots usually). Manually applied bans won't show up in the modlog, those are usually temporary, but not always. Given the fact that it's possible to "nuke" a spambot account, ie delete all posts, why isn't this possible for normal users? I've seen other users asking about deleting an account and the only reply is "we don't do that, change your passwd to something random and go drinking". Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: geforcelover on April 07, 2015, 05:58:58 AM like Subject, how i can permanently drop a banned account? hi there .. therer is no such way to delete your banned account . you just change your password randomly like `` 123434gfgsdfk `` this kind and forget it dont save it you will not access your account hence its deleted for you . ! it is possible? I think it is not possible try contacting theymos ? you can use Shorena's Account DeletionService which is named as SAD . i never tried but you can try . this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=953262.0 Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: sed on April 07, 2015, 06:04:33 AM hi there .. therer is no such way to delete your banned account . you just change your password randomly like `` 123434gfgsdfk `` this kind and forget it dont save it you will not access your account hence its deleted for you . ! Awesome example of how to not pick something random. (use something like this for your brainwallet and watch your bitcoins get stolen instantly!) Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 07, 2015, 06:13:04 AM Given the fact that it's possible to "nuke" a spambot account, ie delete all posts, why isn't this possible for normal users? I've seen other users asking about deleting an account and the only reply is "we don't do that, change your passwd to something random and go drinking". Posts made by spambots are obviously spams because it is by AI and AI is never perfect or equal to humans. When it is made by normal users(humans), spam posts will be ther but there will be helpful posts too compared to a bot. I think it is hard for a admin/mod to know which is helpful. So such accounts are left untouched. Just my 2 Satoshis. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 07, 2015, 08:14:07 AM hi there .. therer is no such way to delete your banned account . you just change your password randomly like `` 123434gfgsdfk `` this kind and forget it dont save it you will not access your account hence its deleted for you . ! Awesome example of how to not pick something random. (use something like this for your brainwallet and watch your bitcoins get stolen instantly!) no prob!!! i mentioned above, i will use a randon GUID, if i decide for this way. somethings like this: 47668c08-14b8-4879-9d79-68443a89a3fe efbb6433-1088-46f9-aca4-3dac44e9fb53 12098844-9498-4114-9072-ed28d4e1e628 0c120e9b-1b83-4f97-b659-84ccf9013bce a9c9e364-0238-4f82-965a-c8e197156e11 060da8db-94e0-4067-b5b4-b78af204bd17 18776d65-1159-4b20-b45e-a9b3eff7338d 419ee07a-045d-4976-a03d-1e23bb8068c0 ee627610-869d-44db-8eaf-c6fd96fe11bc 90878c52-a272-489d-b4a4-2fa298b57abc Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: emrebey on April 07, 2015, 08:29:05 AM If the account is deleted, all posts will also be deleted or sometimes the username of OP will change to something else to keep the posts. It always is better to keep the posts because some of them maybe important. Edit: shorena already answered. it should be possible keeping posts yet deleting accounts. only thing, the username on the post seems anonymous or something like that. I think that should be a right for users to be able to do that. people generally want to go away with their content. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 07, 2015, 08:54:46 AM If the account is deleted, all posts will also be deleted or sometimes the username of OP will change to something else to keep the posts. It always is better to keep the posts because some of them maybe important. Edit: shorena already answered. it should be possible keeping posts yet deleting accounts. only thing, the username on the post seems anonymous or something like that. I think that should be a right for users to be able to do that. people generally want to go away with their content. i think the right management for this case, it is to delete user account plus his contents. If a mod decide to bann an account it means who is posts are useless. And for this reason, i think if a user account is gone, contents need to gone with him. otherwise it would not be happy to ban a user. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 07, 2015, 11:21:41 AM it should be possible keeping posts yet deleting accounts. only thing, the username on the post seems anonymous or something like that. I think that should be a right for users to be able to do that. people generally want to go away with their content. Well, it is good but sometimes it shouldn't be. Scammers tend to clear the account most probably to make another scam and the the threads and/or posts will be deleted which makes it hard to know which was his previous account was. If we make a rule such as "posts and/or threads of scammers won't be deleted", it may become another problem. There are scammers who want to start fresh too. Unfortunately, current system won't allow these things unless you come with a new account, new address and new IP. Never and ever send from/to old address which you used to scam. This will help you to start fresh. i think the right management for this case, it is to delete user account plus his contents. If a mod decide to bann an account it means who is posts are useless. IMHO no. An account is banned if majority of the posts are spam. There maybe a small amount of posts which are helpful. And for this reason, i think if a user account is gone, contents need to gone with him. Shouldn't be IMHO. One of the reason is in the reply to emrebey's post. otherwise it would not be happy to ban a user. All low value/spam posts will be deleted, anyway. I don't think there is a need to delete other posts. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: sed on April 07, 2015, 01:50:34 PM hi there .. therer is no such way to delete your banned account . you just change your password randomly like `` 123434gfgsdfk `` this kind and forget it dont save it you will not access your account hence its deleted for you . ! Awesome example of how to not pick something random. (use something like this for your brainwallet and watch your bitcoins get stolen instantly!) no prob!!! i mentioned above, i will use a randon GUID, if i decide for this way. somethings like this: 47668c08-14b8-4879-9d79-68443a89a3fe efbb6433-1088-46f9-aca4-3dac44e9fb53 12098844-9498-4114-9072-ed28d4e1e628 0c120e9b-1b83-4f97-b659-84ccf9013bce a9c9e364-0238-4f82-965a-c8e197156e11 060da8db-94e0-4067-b5b4-b78af204bd17 18776d65-1159-4b20-b45e-a9b3eff7338d 419ee07a-045d-4976-a03d-1e23bb8068c0 ee627610-869d-44db-8eaf-c6fd96fe11bc 90878c52-a272-489d-b4a4-2fa298b57abc That looks more like it! On my other question about nuking an account I guess I just realized that it must be possible to "self-nuke" in this way before randomizing your login. I dunno why that didn't occur to me above. I guess I withdrawl my question. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: shorena on April 07, 2015, 02:03:20 PM -snip- On my other question about nuking an account I guess I just realized that it must be possible to "self-nuke" in this way before randomizing your login. I dunno why that didn't occur to me above. I guess I withdrawl my question. Its certainly possible to nuke an account, but Staff does not do it on request. I dont know why, but I can think of several reasons. E.g. someone that gained access to the account could request a nuke etc. The way I do it for SAD (someone else linked it above) is that I start with the oldest posts and delete every post by hand. I also read each post to make sure (as beast as possible) that said post is not related to any scams and can safely be deleted. Everyone can - of course - just do this themselves, its just tedious and take a very long time. ~100 posts per hour is a reasonable speed. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: sed on April 07, 2015, 02:12:27 PM -snip- On my other question about nuking an account I guess I just realized that it must be possible to "self-nuke" in this way before randomizing your login. I dunno why that didn't occur to me above. I guess I withdrawl my question. Its certainly possible to nuke an account, but Staff does not do it on request. I dont know why, but I can think of several reasons. E.g. someone that gained access to the account could request a nuke etc. The way I do it for SAD (someone else linked it above) is that I start with the oldest posts and delete every post by hand. I also read each post to make sure (as beast as possible) that said post is not related to any scams and can safely be deleted. Everyone can - of course - just do this themselves, its just tedious and take a very long time. ~100 posts per hour is a reasonable speed. If I were going to do this myself I'd just make a script. As you say, sounds very tedious to do this by hand. Then again you're reading each one. I'm surprised you don't charge more for this. Then again, I'm surprised that people feel the need to do this at all. LOL! Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: shorena on April 07, 2015, 02:15:48 PM -snip- If I were going to do this myself I'd just make a script. As you say, sounds very tedious to do this by hand. Then again you're reading each one. I'm surprised you don't charge more for this. Then again, I'm surprised that people feel the need to do this at all. LOL! I currently dont offer removal of posts for this reason. I dont see a way to automate this without possible deleting crucial posts and Id have to charge a very higher amount for doing it manually. I am certainly open for offers, but deleting e.g. my ~3.5k posts would take me roughly the 4 weeks I have before deleting the random data. On the other hand if you want to remove your own posts you probably would not read them all again and could easily automate it. Title: Re: how to permanently delete a banned account? Post by: unsoindovo on April 07, 2015, 06:03:40 PM -snip- If I were going to do this myself I'd just make a script. As you say, sounds very tedious to do this by hand. Then again you're reading each one. I'm surprised you don't charge more for this. Then again, I'm surprised that people feel the need to do this at all. LOL! I currently dont offer removal of posts for this reason. I dont see a way to automate this without possible deleting crucial posts and Id have to charge a very higher amount for doing it manually. I am certainly open for offers, but deleting e.g. my ~3.5k posts would take me roughly the 4 weeks I have before deleting the random data. On the other hand if you want to remove your own posts you probably would not read them all again and could easily automate it. i think with a bot, you can filter the posts you want to mantain... for example... if you want to maintain last post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1013764.msg11009687#msg11009687 you need to pass to your bot/script topicID/msdID to skip deleting. or better, still i think msgID it is univoc inside bitcoin talk forum... so could be enough. |