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What I want to know is: may a campaign manager 'recruit' participants? If allowed, I'm sure many would.

What would count as 'recruiting' a member?

Would it only be considered spam if someone reported the PM?

I've seen this thread trend recently with campaign managers.

I'm undecided if it should be or is allowed or not. Input appreciated!

Something as generic as campaign sigs is unlikely to be allowed as its targeting... well... everyone. If there was a niche of people they would be targeting then sure, else its unsolicited. Btw your sig is struggling at wide page widths, the bottom line separate and stays left aligned.

It really depends on if it is wanted or not. If the person receiving such PM finds it intrusive and unwanted then it is PM spam. If they don't then the moderators would never find out about the PM in question and would have no reason to take any action.

IF you are going to be sending unsolicited PMs them you better be sure that the person receiving the PM wants to get it. Since this is hard to tell in advance it is probably not a good idea to be send these kinds of PMs, especially since some people may find it similar to buying trust.

I don't think it's wise that you personally did it to be honest. If one person reports you you'll be screwed. There wouldn't be anything wrong with it really but that all depends on the user and if they report it that person will likely face the consequences.

People interested can find the threads already, I don't think it would be necessary or even effective to recruit people for a sig campaign.

I, personally, wouldn't mind as long as the message is personalized and prepared for me, not for a hundred people. Just make it useful, show that it was dedicated to certain member, show that you've put in some work in examining and personalizing said message for the member in question and in my books you'd be OK. This is where global mods like SaltySpitoon, grue and the admins, BadBear and theymos, could express their opinion.

I don't think it is wrong recruit person through personal message, they should only not "oblige" them to join and if they don't want, he should nor "harrass" them (in that case he will be surely banned from the forum).

i think it is ok.
if you PM someone to recruit him,
you do it,
because him post good materials...
no spam,
no fud,
no throll....
and so you can ask him to partecipate!!!

I don't think it would be right to PM a person/member who isn't expecting a PM from you. It would be called spamming as he would just be notified about an offer which he has no interest in (may be). If I only talk about this forum, then yes it would be considered spamming. But if you open a thread about a recruitment offer and members reply saying "PM me the details", then they want to be notified about the job. It's not like I am a member of a job website where I get notified about all jobs that match my interest.

i do not agree....
if a receive a PM asking me to participate to a campaign because i write appreciable posts...
for me it is ok...
i'm in the condition to answer yes or no...
that's all

I don't see how could that be harmful. I wouldn't mind receiving such PM's. I'm fan of simply deleting a PM if I don't like it or don't find it useful. But there are people who aren't definitely going to like it. Not worth doing it, one might have a few reds thrown at him...

certain that there are people here really susceptible.
a negative trust or a bann for receiving a PM????

but we are crazy?

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

Quantity and frequency is the deciding factor. You are not going to spam out 10 a day. I believe two or three personalised PM in a week should run fine with the mods I guess.

I think there are probably only a tiny handful of people that would be offended by such action, however that same tiny few may be so grumpy that they would seek to blow it out of proportion and cause real damage.  

I think the solution is for the site to institute a Knock-N-Wait default system.  If you don't mind receiving all offers you could opt out of the KNW system, otherwise everyone is in.  Here's how it would work, let's say you (sender) want to send someone (receiver) a business opportunity invitation, first you send the KNW message, if the sender is blocked by the receiver a message will be returned to the sender asking them to no longer contact that individual, the receiver will receive no message; if no block is in place then a message from the site telling the receiver that sender is requesting permission to make direct contact.  This gives the receiver the opportunity to investigate the sender before permitting correspondence.  If the receiver accepts the invite a message is sent to the sender indicating that direct correspondence is welcome.  

In this way everyone must be announced before direct correspondence is received, it allows everyone to not respond, or to say no (even after they first said yes), and it allows the great opportunities to go to those who are informed and engaged.

I think as long as the message is personalized then it would not be considered spam. I think any automation of this system would definitely cross the line.

I do think it is unethical to only recruit members of default trust, it seems to me like an attempt to buy trust.

hi madz!

you got it!

the cross line it's exactly /personalization/automation of the PM.
I don't think so for the frequency/number.
You can contact 20 people/day, but the PMs are sended without bot and are fully personalized i think it is not SPAM for sure!!!!

Fine line to walk. I personally wouldn't mind but it would be possible for someone else to report it as spam. I suppose if someone is already using a signature campaign they would be more open to the idea. Someone who doesn't use his/her signature space or uses it just for personal advertising might be more offended at receiving a PM.

I would say as it was you then you probably should not think about such tactics, maybe recruit someone who does not mind taking the risk of sending the few messages for you. I find it hard to believe you would even want to think about risking it with 2 pm spams in the past lol 3rd time you will get 30-60days or even perm ban, i would go with the latter. Also if i received the unsolicited pm from marcotheminer i would report you because i don't think it should be aloud it isn't asif i could not find your service bumped every 5mins on service thread or signatures plastered on every thread. Advice think no more and be happy with the current size campaign maybe even use the energy searching your members recent posters for spam ;)

This is probably about Carra23. And if this is allowed, Marco may want to try it too.

Not sure how that has any relevance to my post? I don't really care who it is about and i never asked to be fair. Also surprised that you think it has a possibility of being allowed. "Marco may want to spam pms", nice advice. It won't be allowed if more than one person does not want to receive the pms and he gets reported and as stated before gets a nice long ban for his trouble. I don't see the point not even for the best of posters, the line is to thin to try tiptoe across. Anyway i can not put anymore than i have so bye for now.   

You said about Marco regarding "if it was you", "you would even want to think about..." etc... So I said this thread is probably about Carra23's actions.


If it is "allowed", it wouldn't be a spam. :-\


What you said is true but I agree with this:


Bolding is my courtesy.

I think that is should be allowed with no restrictions really. If manager of certain campaign is pertinacious enough to invite some users to his campaign why not? As long as he is sending 1-2 messages and don't spam it is acceptable. And I am fine with this.

I have received reports that marco was sending PMs as described in the OP to a few people in the default trust network. While it is possible that he is referring to carra23, it is also probable that he is trying to cover his ass ahead of time as he was recently banned for sending unsolicited PMs. 

I can understand why a campaign manager would want to recruit via PMs, especially if he's aiming at trusted members. Trusted people tend to be more influential and of course there's a possibility if getting positive trust from them. It works both ways. A trusted, high level member may negotiate rates and get paid more than he normally would and let's not forget that PMs are here for a reason. If you don't want to participate you can ignore the message or block him, no need to cry about it to a moderator.

Well, yes, but if everyone starts doing it, I imagine it would get annoying really fast for those select few victi... trusted members. :P

Wouldn't another way of dealing with this be to simply pay trusted members more, much like higher ranks and staff already are at the moment? It's certainly less effective, but also less annoying and risky.

Doing it publicly is riskier than doing in PM, it will be buying trust in public but when doing via PM, many of them won't know about this. You won't get a ban for paying higher amount, however, you can get a ban for PM_spam.

People are free to do it but if someone reports it as spam then there's nothing you can do about that. I don't mind people sending me unsolicited business offers I may be interested in but I don't want to be spammed by people inviting me to check out their faucet or new crappy bitcoin forum so there's always a risk when you send them. Best choose who you contact wisely or don't do it at all. You could always create a thread asking if certain people are interested and hope they see it I suppose.

I guess you have already given your input 3-4 times on this thread and it's your POV. Not necessary that you have to agree with me but I don't want to receive PMs which I am not interested in or don't have time for. I have received numerous pms on another forum where people ask me to join their site and I report all those pms as spam. Here in this case, trusted members who aren't interested in joining signature campaigns and are aware of these campaigns already, it would not be worth sending them a job offer as they are already aware of these campaigns and aren't interested for some or the other reason. It can be surely considered as spam if someone reports them as they did not ask for the same.

I didn't send unsolicited ones, neither to solely default trust people. I sent messages to members that I had contact with before and/or were actively seeking signature campaigns. Some happened to be in default trust yes.

If only that was the case with everyone, then I wouldn't have been banned for sending PMs to campaign managers saying: if you're interested in a signature bot, let me know (basically).

I've gotten enough answers, so I'll lock this thread :), if someone wants it unlocked for some reason just PM me!