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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-slager-south-carolina-officer-charged-murder-black-man-n337526

Officer shot at a unarmed black fatally again. He probably will face 30 years to life in prison or the death penalty. He deserved it. An an officer, he should have his principle at legal way to enforce the law. 

Suddenly I am feeling lucky that I'm living a country where guns have been banned, there are many reason that U.S can't ban the guns, but the truth is guns do bring harm.

Here is what is wrong with this thinking, and why it is dangerous to think like this.

What would happen if all the guns in the world were banned? I mean, if guns were formally banned worldwide, would they really be banned? Or would there be certain groups of people who would still have them and keep them?

Personally, I believe that governments, militaries, some police, and criminals would still have guns. Governments, militaries, and police are made up of people. So are crooks. Sooner or later they would use the guns they had. There is no way to ban guns from everybody.

What is happening is, people in the United States are not exercising their rights to own and use guns for protection. They have become a bunch of sissies. If they were exercising their gun rights as they should, there would be a bunch of dead cops all over the place.

The fact that multitudes of people in the United States have and use guns is the reason that much of the world is free. If the people of the U.S. lost their guns, governments all over the world would step in and take the guns from everybody else. People in gun-free countries would go into slavery from their governments, because governments in gun-free countries still have guns to force the issue.

Enforced freedom is the only way. And the common people are the only ones who can enforce freedom. And the only way they can do it is with bigger and stronger and more powerful guns.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0

Video with all the details
Holy ****

Always in us, the land of freedom and equality or am I wrong? They are only poor bastards,? If the police wanted he could stop him without an useless kill (he could shoot in the leg for example).

Police are trained to shoot at the center of mass.  They repeat it over and over until it's reflex.  Once that cop made up his mind to shoot, the bullet was going to the center of mass.

Stop BS. Police officers do have the right to possess firearms and to use them, even in countries (such as most of the EU nations) where the gun possession is banned for civilians.

It is bullshit, here in the UK we've had incidents of people getting shot by the police, yet when a real emergency happens and a psychopath goes on a killing spree they're nowhere to be seen, I'm inclined to believe other Anarchists who claim that they aren't willing to risk officers to protect people and hold back until the worst of it is over. If you didn't know, the original Tottenham protests were about a guy getting shot by the police and a bunch of chavs decided to take advantage of the chaos. Also, in regards to my comments about a psychopath, we had a guy who went on a rampage with a shotgun, the police didn't do anything until he had pretty much gotten the majority of the people he wanted to kill and there were apparently two unarmed officers tailing him at the time.

If that isn't enough to tell you these gun control advocates are full of shit, there was that incident in Norway with Breivik, where were the men with guns to save people then? In that situation I'd be happy for a just a 9mm so I can at least have a chance and I don't even touch gun really.

It is not the question of holding a gun legally in this situation. It is about the the police officers who should use gun to protect the ppl and punish the criminal, not kill the innocent, especially the black. They still haven't learnt the lesson from Ferguson shooting.

Imagine what would have happened if at least 1% of the 400+ people in the Utøya island at that time were armed with guns. No more than 3 or 4 people would have lost their lives. Definitely not 77.

In a place where everyone is armed, a single person won't be able to mow down 77 people. And in Utøya, not even the policemen were armed. The results are for everyone to see.

I'm not usually too big on these stories, like in Ferguson, it is hard to say if the person was being threatening to the cop or not.
In this case it is pretty disgusting.  The policeman in question needs to go to jail for murder, plain and simple.

I do think there is some stereotyping by the police, if you see 100 black youths with guns, you probably assume the 101st has one too, but they can't shoot people in the back and not go to jail.

And then people for gun control will tell you but all the accidents people will have with guns would just get people killed, but that's what training is for in my opinion, yeah, this is why these psychopaths go after unarmed people and not military bases, it's not coincedental.

You can measure how much contempt a government has for it's people by how willing they are to rush to the defence of their citizens.

This again. It's sad to see yet another shooting ... there's got to be a better way for sure. But the damage is already done now, again.

I was just watching this on the news and then I see this. Kind of disappointing to see something like this again. You guys can see the video here: https://vimeo.com/124336782

So they are trained, but in this case there wasn't necessary to shot a man (in the back). He could shoot on the leg, and conclude the story with a simple arrest but all we know that the us police are thinking "I'm a hero".

Unfortunate incident. The cop had decades of experience in the police force with him. But a few seconds of misjudgment has resulted in the loss of one life.

How about he could have just ran behind him for 2 minutes and kicked him to the ground? Like in those 70's movies? Or is that not done these days?

The arrestant was 50 years old, the cop was in his 30's. Not much of a competition...

They're still human beings their decisions can be still flawed by emotions and egos thus they can still make stupid things.

Than "the emotion" shouldn't involve when you are at the work, and the policemen work is very important in the community. The worth of a life is priceless.


Exactly, where is the emotion, the "action".... it was better to chase him instead "kill" him, isn't it?

cop's saying the guy took his taser and shot him with it, evidence still looks pretty daming either way

but that man was running away, why shoot him in the back instead to chase him or shoot on the leg? This is the insane "mind" of the us policeman.

I'm sure the cop would say anything to cover his ass, shooting that guy running away in the back is one of the most cowardly things I've ever seen. There's no way the cop could have felt threatened it that situation, at very most he could have fired just a warning shot.

In your country cops do not have guns? How lucky you are...

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The worst part is if the bystander didn't come forward with the video, this cop would have gotten away with murder. He was only charged because video showed his version of the events to be fabricated.

Body cams. Every cop, no exceptions.

If you watch the video closely after he shoots him he walks away, then comes  back and plants the taser on the vicitm,

This is flat out murder, it really makes you wonder about all those times police say it was self defense when they blast another guy.

Im glad they charged him but it will be suprising if the charges stick.

There has been plenty of cases of cops doing severe crimes and beating then being aquitted.

Even if that is the case, the cop shouldn't have shot the victim. Tasers are rarely fatal. The policemen should have chased the victim and caught him instead of just shooting him. I believe they receive training for these sort of incidents before they join the police force.

One thing I don't understand is, why shoot the guy 8 god damn times. Even if he did have a taser, which he did not. I watched the video and Jamba is right the cop plants the taser on him. But seriously the guy is running away, if you did have to shoot why not leg him or shoot him once? Why unload a clip into the guy? Even if he had a taser the guy is like 25+feet and running wouldnt a single shot do the job?

Some how I feel like I've seen most of these replies from massive FB thread I've just read. I'm I having an Anamnesis??

Either he's a racist, hothead, or sociopath. He wanted that guy dead. It was straight up murder and he tried to get away with it by planting the taser by the victim's side.

Ideally, he should have chased him on foot or called for additional backup. The guy was old and heavy; he was not moving very fast when he was shot.

The worst part of it all is, we have been paying this psychos paycheck to kill and imprison us, were going to pay for the civil case and the millions this guys family recieves(deserved), were going to pay millions for the court case and on top of that if he is convicted were going to pay atleast a million jailing the guy.

Well the worst part is there is a dead guy and another life destroyed, everything else is just money and can be replaced.

News:

The shootings have stirred debate across the country about police conduct and race relations, also drawing into the discussion President Barack Obama, who an aide said has seen the Scott video. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice are investigating Scott's shooting, which has drawn strong reaction from political leaders and on social media.

South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, along with U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, all Republicans, decried the shooting, with both senators releasing statements calling the video "horrific."


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/09/us-usa-south-carolina-shooting-idUSKBN0MY28220150409

Really? It makes me feel happy that the cops are not the only ones with guns.
That video shows a clear case of murder. There is no situation where it is legal to shoot a fleeing unarmed person. In fact, if someone with a CCW had been there, he/she would have been justified to shoot the cop dead as he shot at the suspect. The cops here are not our superiors, I see them as back-up for when I can't handle a criminal by myself. 

It hurts to watch the video, as he kill him with nothing more, helpless, he should receive life imprisonment

Luckily someone recorded everything, it is a clear proof of his crime

why the fuck must they bring race into it? was the killing of eric garner with the black female sergeant on the scene about race or the shooting of that french homeless guy by a black cop? any time its a white person doing wrong it must be racial.

More importantly it is illegal to shoot some one in the back as they are running away in most states (if not all) because it demonstrates clearly they were not in an active attempt of attacking you (the only legal reason to shoot some one unless in defense of another life).


I used to know a former cop. You know what he told me? If you have to use your gun in self defense, make sure you empty the clip into them and they are dead. People who survive are witnesses, and witnesses send you to jail or sue you. Dead people don't. This is why when they kill people, they turn them into Swiss cheese, not just disable them.

I'm not usually for mass surveillance, but I've seen reports of successfully altered behavior by cops who wear body cameras. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have all cops wear such cameras as a mandatory prop as long as they're on duty.

It's funny how accountability alters the behavior of certain people.

What's worse is that the cop probably would have gotten away with this if he was not filmed.

The most scary part is however how casual it all is. Like the citizen's life has no value.

This is some bullshit.  If anything crimes commited by cops should be punished much more severely as they are in a position of authority.  At some point we won't be able to tell the difference between honest cops, nut-job cops, and serial killers in a cop uniform.

It is a good suggestion to keep the cops under surveillance. But is it practical to make all of them wear body cams? The initial cost, as well as maintenance will be huge. And there is no guarantee that they will not damage / tweak them. Also we need more manpower to manually monitor all of them.

Are you really serious? Is this their work system? So when they shoot they must always kill a person instead to 'stop' him (for example with a shoot to the leg). Another country that I should not visit :/.

There are many things to take into consideration. But given that cops in general would behave better, and that less civilians would get shot, I think such a system would be a good idea. In the cases were a cop is alone with a suspect, the cop is God. With eyes on him, he would no longer be God.

Of course there're challenges in regards to logistics. I guess a more scientific report could give better results. As the situation is, I think wearing bodycam, dashcam should be mandatory for everyone interested in their personal safety, as the words of the common man against the words of a police officer has no value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5RxyOzd7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5RxyOzd7Y)

Link is dead, try this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KIKUEjn3Z0

This only reinforces my impression that cops in general can do whatever they want and get away with it. Seeing that so many cops attack this man that's on the ground points to a cultural issue that is approved from the very top. If this is not excessive force, I don't know what is.

Such culture does not evolve in a vacuum.

Is it practical to give them all guns and tasers and pepper spray. Cameras are badly needed to stop them from murdering innocent people or just straight up abusing their powers. I'm not from the states but even in my country the cops abuse their powers and hassle you for no good reason. Of course you must comply and if you give them any attitude back they just abuse their power even more to hassle you further. Cameras will really keep them in check and help them with their own safety as well as others.

Exactly, cop cams should be compulsory. Ideally all video recorded would be stored and monitored by a trusted third party, maybe even a non-profit organisation (wouldn't put it past the cops to delete vital evidence if it suited them). They would also has to pass laws preventing police from covering their cameras, I've seen plenty of cops at protests covering their ID numbers so they can't get reported for beating up activists.

What do you think about wearing your own personal body camera, perhaps even concealed. And perhaps also in the car. Would it be foolish to reveal this fact to the officers stopping you. For instance:

"There're numerous cameras here, all recording live to an internet feed, everything you do will be monitored and recorded, and any breach of the law will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible".

I guess that would be showing attitude.. Some cops might be scared off, others might shoot you, I don't know.

I do know for a fact that treating people badly does not yield respect. If a person is treated with respect, he will give respect back. Not all people are good people, some are low life scum that deserve to be in jail, but even a thief does not deserve to be shot in the back.

Also, corruption and power abuse will erode the trust the general public has with the police. So, instead of calling the police when something is wrong, you hesitate and rather walk away, because you cannot be sure what the outcome will be if you make the call, maybe you are the one that ends up with trouble.

I assume the only sane way to behave when you're stopped by police is to comply and smile, as anything else might end you in jail, even if it's not justified at all. In my view, the fact that officers can use deadly force against people "that do not comply" is very very wrong. Esp. when a suspect is under control, there's no need to further attack him.

That being said, being a police officer is no joke, and they put their lifes in danger every day, but they should protect the public and not be an aggressor, which seems to often be the case, unfortunately. Accountability is important for being able to keep them in check. If a cop goes out of line, there's nothing to stop him except his own conscience, and if he does not have that, there's nothing to stop him.

Police departments and police academies gets their funding and guidelines from politicians. There is enough knowledge and experience in the world today to create a better police force, and to screen candidates, such that candidates that are not fit will be rejected, also there must be some kind of continuing monitoring to ensure a good cop does not turn into a bad cop.

Too often it seems like the police are most concerned with protecting themselves and not the public. When there's no willingness to let bad actions have consequences, then there will be no change. It seems to me that changes today happens mostly after a lot of pressure, esp. in the press. Politicians and high ranking officials "need to act" to show strength once something comes out in the press. So the press becomes a force that pressure the officials to act better, not because they genuinely want to, but because they do not want to lose face.

Of course there's many good people in the police and law enforcement agencies, who's only concerned about doing "the right thing", but the bad apples spoils the whole bunch.

This is absolutely disgusting and intolerable. He just killed him, that's all, he decided to kill him out of fucking nowhere! and you can't refute that video evidence. I hope someone takes payback time on that fucker.

I wonder how popular a man that used to be a cop but who murdered an average joe is in an ordinary jail.

Saw the video associated with this. It still amazes me how this one video is the only reason the police will be brought to justice. Without video, planting evidence becomes far too easy and the story made about the taser that was planted seemed all too plausible without the footage. Many police departments are ordering body cams that will keep the police in check.
Video for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LNO_y9Dge4

You're speaking with the benefit of hindsight now knowing the cop murdered the guy and having seen video of it. In the moment, you don't have the capacity to assess the situation, and you will never possibly have enough information to make a determination that you would be justified to shoot at a cop who is pursuing a suspect. Your vigilante intervention would not have been justified. Cops are supposed to be equal under the law, but they are given the power to enforce it, which like it or not, is a superior position in society. When they abuse that power, there are channels to deal with that properly, and vigilante justice is not one of them.

Yes, it is practical. We can stop giving local police departments Bearcats and tanks and use those funds to equip them all with mandatory bodycams. It will require no more manpower to monitor, as it would only be to review in the case of incident, the same as dashcams now. They just run and run and the only time it matters is when there is an incident to review. Since the funding will come from things police departments are currently buying and don't need (military-grade weapons and vehicles), it will cost no further funding as well, and may even save money in the long run as police brutality complaints and lawsuits decline when officers start behaving because they're being held responsible for their actions.