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Title: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rapsaodan84 on April 10, 2015, 03:58:27 PM I'm curious to know who (especially among Newbies, Jr. and Members) uses a custom "Trust depth". For those wondering it can be changed here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust and the default is '2'. Vote.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: notlist3d on April 10, 2015, 04:27:19 PM I personally just use default. It seems to work fine for me.
Only time I go further is if I'm dealing with someone on forum I will manually check all trust. Other then doing a deal default settings work fine for my uses. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rivoke on April 10, 2015, 04:38:52 PM Since I trust someone on default so I don't change anything. The second reason is trust system is way to complicated ;D
If someone use custom trust depth, I think some of them choosing someone inaccurately Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: gentlemand on April 10, 2015, 04:48:59 PM I've never dipped into the trust system and well and truly can't figure out how it's supposed to work. It all counts for nothing anyway as soon as someone has a funny turn or cashes in the long game they've been playing.
I'd just use the most established escrows and go on how the person who I'm thinking of trusting has acted in the past. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 10, 2015, 04:52:01 PM I use custom trust list with trust depth 1. I use trust depth 1 because most users in default trust list trust depth 1 will be in trust depth 0 for me and people in default trust list trust depth 2 in trust depth 1. A depth is bumped up.
=snip= If someone use custom trust depth, I think some of them choosing someone inaccurately People in a custom trust list is the people who he trust. We can't say a person to add/remove people according to our need but it can be done if a person in default trust list add a scammer or a person who abuse trust system. If you don't want to trust a person who is in trust list of a person you trust, you can add tilde(~) in front of the username and click "update". For example: You trust Bob and you added him to your trust list but you don't trust Alice who is in Bob's trust list. So you can remove Alice by adding "Alice" to your trust list with tilde as prefix and click update. Code: ~Alice Now your trust list will be Code: DefaultTrust Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: redsn0w on April 10, 2015, 05:32:53 PM If I can say my opinion, I am using the normal/standard defaultTrust list withe a depth level "2". I'm fine with my choice, and I believe in that list.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: coinableS on April 10, 2015, 05:36:43 PM I just use the default. I did one transaction on here and it went smoothly.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Amph on April 10, 2015, 05:46:47 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rapsaodan84 on April 10, 2015, 06:00:57 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this But at the beginning before you know anyone who would you trust? it would be like ignoring all the ratings Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: humpty.dumpty on April 10, 2015, 06:12:35 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this agree Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rapsaodan84 on April 10, 2015, 06:46:35 PM I'm doubting between using depth 2 or depth 3 so more feedback are shown by default, it'd be nice to give more weight to lower depths like x1.5 to level 1, x1 to level 2 and x0.75 to level 3
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Amph on April 10, 2015, 07:05:26 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this But at the beginning before you know anyone who would you trust? it would be like ignoring all the ratings i would trust no one anyway, trust rate doesn't mean that user is 100% safe, maybe you don't know but there was a member called Tradefortress(that was also in the default trust) and had many green +1 and was trusted by many.. this user was running a site for loans, in the end he scammed everyone, he used the most dangerous strategy to do this, by acquiring users confidence for a long time Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 10, 2015, 07:15:05 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this But at the beginning before you know anyone who would you trust? it would be like ignoring all the ratings i would trust no one anyway, trust rate doesn't mean that user is 100% safe, maybe you don't know but there was a member called Tradefortress(that was also in the default trust) and had many green +1 and was trusted by many.. this user was running a site for loans, in the end he scammed everyone, he used the most dangerous strategy to do this, by acquiring users confidence for a long time I think TF got negative trust because of his online wallet service. Recent best example for this is freidcat. He scammed AMHash and he still has a big green trust. This trust system isn't 100% secure. You must do your own due diligence. Don't trust a person just because green trust. Look at his feedback and reference case by case. However, you can get a basic idea with this trust system and it helps. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Amph on April 10, 2015, 07:52:08 PM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this But at the beginning before you know anyone who would you trust? it would be like ignoring all the ratings i would trust no one anyway, trust rate doesn't mean that user is 100% safe, maybe you don't know but there was a member called Tradefortress(that was also in the default trust) and had many green +1 and was trusted by many.. this user was running a site for loans, in the end he scammed everyone, he used the most dangerous strategy to do this, by acquiring users confidence for a long time I think TF got negative trust because of his online wallet service. Recent best example for this is freidcat. He scammed AMHash and he still has a big green trust. This trust system isn't 100% secure. You must do your own due diligence. Don't trust a person just because green trust. Look at his feedback and reference case by case. However, you can get a basic idea with this trust system and it helps. yeah i know that, but before doing this, he earned the trust of many people, thus making them confident to deposit on his site it was a diabolic plan since the beginning, TradeFortress is a perfect example, of how you should not trust anyone Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rapsaodan84 on April 11, 2015, 12:56:27 AM i left it as default, after trying it at depth level 1, but i don't like this whole thing about default trusted members, trust should be acquire with other users not like this But at the beginning before you know anyone who would you trust? it would be like ignoring all the ratings i would trust no one anyway, trust rate doesn't mean that user is 100% safe, maybe you don't know but there was a member called Tradefortress(that was also in the default trust) and had many green +1 and was trusted by many.. this user was running a site for loans, in the end he scammed everyone, he used the most dangerous strategy to do this, by acquiring users confidence for a long time I didn't know but of course I know nothing is 100% safe however an user with green trust is far less likely to scam than someone with red trust, so until I'm here for more time and realize who to trust I like the default list Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Somekindabitcoin on April 11, 2015, 01:06:54 AM I use a custom trust depth. I don't trust some members so I just leave it on trust depth 2. It works best for me.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: PatSNL on April 11, 2015, 06:10:13 AM Something recently really made me look more at the trust system here. I have now customized my trust, by adding people that I feel I can trust. I have also removed some people from my trust by prefacing their username with a tilde (as someone explained earlier). I am grateful that we can override the trust, on a user by user basis.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Lauda on April 11, 2015, 06:16:08 AM OP I think that this thread is supposed to be in meta. You're discussing forum features after all.
Something recently really made me look more at the trust system here. I have now customized my trust, by adding people that I feel I can trust. I have also removed some people from my trust by prefacing their username with a tilde (as someone explained earlier). I am grateful that we can override the trust, on a user by user basis. Indeed. Even though the trust system is flawed itself, that's something that helps out a bit. I don't think that there are many users here who fully customized it.It just takes work and time which most do not want to spend. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: alani123 on April 11, 2015, 06:18:17 AM Why use a different depth? This would add/remove too many people/ I simply use a modified level 2 trust list. With default trust in but with few additions and removals. I think that this is what everyone should do.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 11, 2015, 06:23:59 AM Why use a different depth? This would add/remove too many people/ I simply use a modified level 2 trust list. With default trust in but with few additions and removals. I think that this is what everyone should do. There are many reasons for it. Besides, you should only add people whose judgements you trust. So you shouldn't care how many are/were added/removed. See my post, fifth post in this thread for knowing why I use depth 1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1019798.msg11044739#msg11044739. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: yeponlyone on April 11, 2015, 06:56:39 AM You shouldn't add default trust and just add names of the people you trust to the trust list. most of the time, the trust is not an accurate representation of the person's reputation. Always look at the comments and the reference before making careful decisions.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: alani123 on April 11, 2015, 06:58:54 AM You shouldn't add default trust and just add names of the people you trust to the trust list. most of the time, the trust is not an accurate representation of the person's reputation. Always look at the comments and the reference before making careful decisions. The default trust is a good way to get a sense of what's going on. It's probably the most widely accepted trust list whether that was the initial goal or not. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: DeboraMeeks on April 11, 2015, 09:18:06 AM I've personally not found a reason to change my trust depth or move away from default trust. I suppose if I start to miss out on people who are running scams I will consider adding to it!
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: yeponlyone on April 11, 2015, 03:47:13 PM You shouldn't add default trust and just add names of the people you trust to the trust list. most of the time, the trust is not an accurate representation of the person's reputation. Always look at the comments and the reference before making careful decisions. The default trust is a good way to get a sense of what's going on. It's probably the most widely accepted trust list whether that was the initial goal or not. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: galbros on April 11, 2015, 08:44:55 PM I think default trust is a major problem, so I set mine to zero and have a custom trust list of people I trust. While I think the trust system is good in theory, in practice it has major issues. There is always a couple of discussions going on over in the META section about it.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: coinpr0n on April 11, 2015, 10:52:21 PM I've never used it. I really don't even know how it works exactly. I should probably catch up and try it out asap.
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: SirChiko on April 13, 2015, 01:15:51 PM I have the default one so it's 2, but after reading this topic i'm thinking about changing it to 1.
Will it be more safe and perharps...benefical for me? Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: 1Referee on April 13, 2015, 01:48:09 PM I currently have trust depth 4 because it gives me a higher trust rating. At depth 4 it shows 4: -0 / +6(6) if I set it to depth 2 it shows 0: -0 / +0(0).
Not sure why it displays a 0 score when I use depth 2 while I have completed plenty of trades. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: gkv9 on April 13, 2015, 05:18:56 PM I have seen many people misusing this feature and would like to advice the Admins and Mods to give some authority to Default Trust people to moderate all the users and their trust score and check whether they try to misuse it, as I saw so many people turned scammers after getting much Green Trust added to their profile...
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 13, 2015, 07:28:22 PM I have seen many people misusing this feature and would like to advice the Admins and Mods to give some authority to Default Trust people to moderate all the users and their trust score and check whether they try to misuse it, as I saw so many people turned scammers after getting much Green Trust added to their profile... Moderation of trust would only make it more complicate IMHO. What if the trust moderator get a negative trust? Wouldn't it be removed by him/her? There will be problems like this. Current system is better and should stay as it is except adding new needed features. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: ChuckBuck on April 13, 2015, 07:35:41 PM Modified Custom Level 2 Trust set on my end.
Just added a handful of members I've dealt with, and whole heartedly trust. Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Webnet on April 14, 2015, 09:17:04 AM I set mine to 4 as I have a low rank and I don't see most of the intrusted feedback
Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: shorena on April 14, 2015, 07:36:27 PM I set mine to 4 as I have a low rank and I don't see most of the intrusted feedback click Profile -> click Forum Profile Information -> check "Show untrusted feedback by default:" -> click Change Profile Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: rapsaodan84 on April 14, 2015, 10:47:46 PM I currently have trust depth 4 because it gives me a higher trust rating. At depth 4 it shows 4: -0 / +6(6) if I set it to depth 2 it shows 0: -0 / +0(0). Not sure why it displays a 0 score when I use depth 2 while I have completed plenty of trades. I guess because none of the people who have left a feedback in your profile are on depths 1 or 2 Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: galbros on April 14, 2015, 11:41:12 PM I currently have trust depth 4 because it gives me a higher trust rating. At depth 4 it shows 4: -0 / +6(6) if I set it to depth 2 it shows 0: -0 / +0(0). Not sure why it displays a 0 score when I use depth 2 while I have completed plenty of trades. It does not matter what it shows you, it matters what others see. Six or even four is a very deep trust list, like trusting friends of friends of friends of friends. HERE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=311527.0) is a good discussion of the problems with default trust. This thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0) was started by theymos himself to try and figure out what to replace default trust with. Good luck and welcome! Title: Re: Who uses a custom trust depth? Post by: Nas on April 15, 2015, 12:07:26 AM 0 depth is the best solution. Build your own trust list.
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