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Title: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: magic ice on April 11, 2015, 04:04:55 AM
We heard Janssens outburst, we read the foundations retaliation. Who's to blame with Bitcoin Foundation's present situation?

a. Olivier Janssens

b. The incumbent Board Members

c. the members

d. Bitcoin



Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: tokeweed on April 11, 2015, 04:31:39 AM
They did it to themselves.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: ashour on April 11, 2015, 07:30:18 AM
The bitcoin foundation is pointless IMO. They bitcoin users themselves should vote and decide major decisions, crowdfund  bitcoin for the developers that work on the bitcoin core. Foundations will always be corrupt since they are run by a handful of people. The whole bitcoin community should be the foundation that makes the decissions.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Q7 on April 11, 2015, 07:41:48 AM
The objective of bitcoin is to free the people from the corrupt stranglehold of existing financial system and here we are, again faced with the same problem. Sadly, the core issue here come from within led by greed and hunger for power. It's the trait of the human civilization.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: pawel7777 on April 11, 2015, 10:00:57 PM
We heard Janssens outburst, we read the foundations retaliation. Who's to blame with Bitcoin Foundation's present situation?

a. Olivier Janssens

b. The incumbent Board Members

c. the members

d. Bitcoin


Pretty sure the correct answer here is B.

Some follow-up on the affairs of TBF after Janssens post:

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-funds-board-divided/



Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: jbrnt on April 11, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
TBF does not represent the bitcoin community. The board members are a group of power hungry businessmen who wants a name in the bitcoin community. TBF allows scammers to be silver/gold members and did nothing to promote bitcoin. They are to blame for their own mess.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: unamis76 on April 11, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
I think they're pretty much all to blame (except the most recent members, maybe).

They all knew what was going on and chose to ignore it. maybe even chose to follow a direction that would bury them further.

Anyways, we probably don't need them, and who's to blame isn't a big priority now. They should just dissolve the foundation and end all this crap talk :D


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: ajareselde on April 12, 2015, 12:00:13 AM
TBF does not represent the bitcoin community. The board members are a group of power hungry businessmen who wants a name in the bitcoin community. TBF allows scammers to be silver/gold members and did nothing to promote bitcoin. They are to blame for their own mess.

"TBF does not represent the bitcoin community." - True , but still there are many people that think they do, because their lack of knowledge, or just by asumptions.
So its concerning for us as a community also whats happening to TBF.

@op its their own fault, i mean what kind of financial strategy is to spend that kind of money on secretary, and god knows what else they did.
They need professional financial manadgement if they are to represent even remotely bitcoin core development.

cheers


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Beliathon on April 12, 2015, 02:21:11 AM
I blame everyone except me.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Ron~Popeil on April 12, 2015, 02:36:52 AM
The foundation is irrelevant. What we need is a bitcoin chamber of commerce type of organization. One that actually assists bitcoin businesses and one that actually does outreach and works for the good of bitcoin rather than selling over priced memberships that give credibility to some of the shadiest people and businesses in the bitcoin world. 


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Cray4Cryptz on April 12, 2015, 02:47:32 AM
We heard Janssens outburst, we read the foundations retaliation. Who's to blame with Bitcoin Foundation's present situation?

a. Olivier Janssens

b. The incumbent Board Members

c. the members

d. Bitcoin



First, majority of the blame should be slapped to the  incumbent board members.
Second, Janssens should also be blamed.

Problems of the foundation shouldnt be publicized. Deal with it inside the foundation.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 12, 2015, 06:50:10 AM
TBF allows scammers to be silver/gold members and did nothing to promote bitcoin.

TBF was founded by scammers. They violated their own by-laws from the very beginning. And declared Satoshi as one of the founders.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: WhatTheGox on April 12, 2015, 08:08:28 AM
We heard Janssens outburst, we read the foundations retaliation. Who's to blame with Bitcoin Foundation's present situation?

a. Olivier Janssens

b. The incumbent Board Members

c. the members

d. Bitcoin



The problem is that TBF is a centralized solution around a decentralized software, there will be problems forever.  We need to rely on zero leadership idealy but doesnt seem like its possible anytime soon.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: poncom on April 12, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
TBF allows scammers to be silver/gold members and did nothing to promote bitcoin.

TBF was founded by scammers. They violated their own by-laws from the very beginning. And declared Satoshi as one of the founders.

Was Satoshi ever linked to it in any way? He vanished long before I took an interest in Bitcoin and I don't know how long TBF has existed for.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on April 12, 2015, 11:27:31 AM
Was Satoshi ever linked to it in any way? He vanished long before I took an interest in Bitcoin and I don't know how long TBF has existed for.

They just misused his name.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: dimfot on April 12, 2015, 12:14:50 PM
The bitcoin foundation is pointless IMO. They bitcoin users themselves should vote and decide major decisions, crowdfund  bitcoin for the developers that work on the bitcoin core. Foundations will always be corrupt since they are run by a handful of people. The whole bitcoin community should be the foundation that makes the decissions.



+1 Very well said!!


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Rimmer on April 12, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
They did it to themselves.

Yep. Bitcoin isn't to blame for sure. I just think it's the way the organization is and runs. There's too many people vying for power and when you can easily buy your way into it it's always going to bring in the corrupt members who are just there for their own business interests and complications will ensue.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: NyeFe on April 12, 2015, 12:58:22 PM
They did it to themselves.

I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable to imagine how much some of the members were getting paid, considering this was a non-profit foundation.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: joe 90 on April 12, 2015, 01:15:23 PM
They did it to themselves.

I couldn't agree more. It's unbelievable to imagine how much some of the members were getting paid, considering this was a non-profit foundation.

Whoever spent all their money's to blame?


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Cruxer on April 12, 2015, 02:48:32 PM
We heard Janssens outburst, we read the foundations retaliation. Who's to blame with Bitcoin Foundation's present situation?

a. Olivier Janssens

b. The incumbent Board Members

c. the members

d. Bitcoin


If many members are shady and are accused of bad things... in short... you can blame anyone, whole organization, and thats how it is


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Nagle on April 12, 2015, 07:13:26 PM
How many of the board members of the Bitcoin Foundation over time have been convicted criminals?


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: benjamindees on April 12, 2015, 09:47:25 PM
How many of the board members of the Bitcoin Foundation over time have been convicted criminals?

To be fair, that was to be expected.  If you erect a Foundation for government to latch on to, they're bound to use it against you eventually.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: kelsey on April 13, 2015, 04:51:15 AM
apathy  :-X


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: Light on April 13, 2015, 05:34:18 AM
Every single past board member - none of them has ever done anything notable to follow the original principles and ideals that the TBF was meant to fulfill. TBH I always felt they focused they're attention on quick cash grabs by presenting themselves as the premier avenue for improving Bitcoin - of which the funds were never well spent due to a mixture of incompetence and ignorance.


Title: Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest
Post by: BillyBobZorton on April 13, 2015, 02:35:14 PM
I don't know who's to blame in this case, but i think we need the real decentralized foundation just like Linux Foundation ::)

The beauty of BTC is we dont really need any foundation. People is prone to corruption, but the magic is the Bitcoin protocol it's impossible to corrupt. The Bitcoin foundation being corrupt only shows how much we need Bitcoin itself and nothing else.