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Title: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Wilikon on April 11, 2015, 05:19:20 PM In post-Soviet Russia, you don’t make memes. Memes make (or unmake?) you. That is, at least, the only conclusion we can draw from an announcement made this week by Russia’s three-year-old media agency/Internet censor Roskomnadzor, which made it illegal to publish any Internet meme that depicts a public figure in a way that has nothing to do with his “personality.” Sad Keanu? Nope. Sad Putin? Absolutely not. “These ways of using [celebrities’ images] violate the laws governing personal data and harm the honor, dignity and business of public figures,” reads the policy announcement from Roskomnadzor. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/04/10/russia-just-made-a-ton-of-internet-memes-illegal/ Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: umairsaleem on April 11, 2015, 05:41:10 PM This country is becoming another USSR after Puttin‘s back, And they will still call Russia a free and democratic country.
Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Rmcdermott927 on April 11, 2015, 06:31:31 PM In other news, Putin put a bounty on grumpy cats head.
Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Balthazar on April 11, 2015, 07:31:00 PM Roskomnadzor is just an executive body, it follows the existing law and has no power to initiate legislation or the right to "prohibit" something.
So I can do anything and they can't stop me directly. The only thing what they can do is ask me to delete the picture. Of course I'll say them "get the fuck out of me" and then they'll initiate a lawsuit on this case. And this lawsuit will end with a failure, because no judge will take it seriously. :D Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Snorek on April 11, 2015, 07:53:04 PM Roskomnadzor is just an executive body, it follows the existing law and has no power to initiate legislation or the right to "prohibit" something. It is quite sad that your country is pushing ridiculous laws like this. Don't you think it is just something straight out of book "1984" by George Orwell? What do you think russian government forbid next, because if they outlawed memes already I feel that they could now do anything... and soon you may not be so happy about it.So I can do anything and they can't stop me directly. The only thing what they can do is ask me to delete the picture. Of course I'll say them "get the fuck out of me" and then they'll initiate a lawsuit on this case. And this lawsuit will end with a failure, because no judge will take it seriously. :D Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Balthazar on April 11, 2015, 08:31:20 PM It is quite sad that your country is pushing ridiculous laws like this. There is no such law. It's just a moronic comment by the RKN's representative... No more, no less. Of course it's sad that there are fools on such positions, but shit happens.Don't you think it is just something straight out of book "1984" by George Orwell? Actually, I think this article is just something straight out of book "1984" by George Orwell. Oceania's (USG == wannabe Inner Party of Oceania) ministry of truth is pushing the propaganda against its competitors. Lack of facts? No problem! Just invent some shit and claim that someone famous said it. Don't forget to add that he has some power to make it real and that's it. You're done. :)What do you think russian government forbid next These guys (Maxim Ksenzov with his subordinates) have nothing to do with the government. Roskomnadzor is just an executive body, it follows the existing law and has no power to initiate legislation or the right to "prohibit" something. Read my previous message again, please, and stop pushing the BS. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: neurotypical on April 11, 2015, 08:54:08 PM Rusia is a beautiful country with a lot of good people, too bad their leaders have been nutjobs all the way thought history. So much wasted potential. This meme thing sounds straight out of april fools. Now they'll need TOR to even make some stupid paint jokes, just wow.
Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Balthazar on April 11, 2015, 09:09:20 PM So much wasted potential. Wasted potential is represented by the people who unconditionally believe any shit.I know that it's not funny but I can't stop laugh. It seems that I'm going to die of laughter while reading this thread. Already tried these steps (http://www.wikihow.com/Stop-Laughing-at-Inappropriate-Times) without any success. :D Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: notlist3d on April 11, 2015, 09:37:40 PM It surprises me they would do this. Seems like it just set's a target for trolls.
Not trolls know Memes bug them enough to outlaw some. I predict it causes much more use from trolls and other like that. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: llanillo on April 11, 2015, 10:19:13 PM Definitely "give that man a cookie", there are plenty of funny memes about putin, i really think this will not change anything in the way people use memes, the internet is big... :P
Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Nemo1024 on April 11, 2015, 11:09:44 PM It is quite sad that your country is pushing ridiculous laws like this. There is no such law. It's just a moronic comment by the RKN's representative... No more, no less. Of course it's sad that there are fools on such positions, but shit happens.Don't you think it is just something straight out of book "1984" by George Orwell? Actually, I think this article is just something straight out of book "1984" by George Orwell. Oceania's (USG == wannabe Inner Party of Oceania) ministry of truth is pushing the propaganda against its competitors. Lack of facts? No problem! Just invent some shit and claim that someone famous said it. Don't forget to add that he has some power to make it real and that's it. You're done. :)What do you think russian government forbid next These guys (Maxim Ksenzov with his subordinates) have nothing to do with the government. Roskomnadzor is just an executive body, it follows the existing law and has no power to initiate legislation or the right to "prohibit" something. Read my previous message again, please, and stop pushing the BS. Good and to-the-point replies, Balthazar. It's quite telling that the West's favourite game of Russia-bashing is intensifying now... Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: jaysabi on April 12, 2015, 02:25:23 PM Roskomnadzor is just an executive body, it follows the existing law and has no power to initiate legislation or the right to "prohibit" something. So I can do anything and they can't stop me directly. The only thing what they can do is ask me to delete the picture. Of course I'll say them "get the fuck out of me" and then they'll initiate a lawsuit on this case. And this lawsuit will end with a failure, because no judge will take it seriously. :D It doesn't look like the courts will take this lightly, the decision to censor memes comes directly after a Moscow court already ordered a site to take down memes: Russian censors have determined that one of the most popular forms of Internet meme is illegal. According to Roskomnadzor, the Kremlin’s media watchdog, it’s now against the law to use celebrities’ photographs in a meme, “when the image has nothing to do with the celebrity’s personality.” The new policy comes on the heels of a court decision in Moscow, where a judge ruled that a particular photo meme violates the privacy of Russian singer Valeri Syutkin. The court’s decision targets an article on Lurkmore, a popular Wikipedia-style Russian website that focuses on Internet subcultures and memes. The court ordered Lurkmore remove controversial meme "BBPE" with Syutkin Moscow, on 7 April. According to the decision of the Meshchansky Court of Moscow common network meme "BBPE" with photographs of the Russian singer Valery Syutkina obscene and signature must be removed from the pages of the online encyclopedia "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore). Thus the Court granted the petition Roskomnadzora, who represented the singer in court. Over the next 30 days Lurkmore must remove meme with a portrait or Syutkin Roscomnadzor make resource page in a single register of banned information (which it does, however, regularly, on different occasions). Photo by Valery Syutkina with an appropriate inscription for several years used the Internet meme BBPE, "Beat a woman by ... (person)", probably due to the fact that intelligent and cheerful person Syutkina better than others opposed to the absurd slogan that allows you to instantly achieve a comic effect. Earlier in December Meshchansky Court in Moscow refused Roskomnadzor in considering a claim for blacklisted page online resource "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore) to offend Valery Syutkina meme known in abbreviated form as "BBPE", as applied to him "wrong applicant ". According to the creator of "Lurkomorya" scandalous picture two years older than the site itself. Directly involved in the developments took my mother a singer: she was found that the image of his face "used in bad faith." Site Lurkmore positions itself as an online encyclopedia of contemporary culture, telling, including the history of the origins of the various memes. The Internet provides the following description of the resource: "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore) - informal, unformatted, frivolous and humorous online encyclopedia, positioning itself as the "Encyclopedia of modern culture, folklore and subcultures, as well as everything else." Your assertions no court will take this seriously is undermined by the fact that they already are. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: redsn0w on April 12, 2015, 02:58:32 PM What a stupid "law", as always the Russia is the land of censorship.
The new declaration by the government’s media watchdog Roskomnadzor, issued through its VKontakte page, says it’s now illegal to “impersonate” a celebrity using his or her photo in a meme. In other words, in the near future we may be seeing broken links for dozens of brilliant parody accounts created by Russians. http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-just-banned-celebrity-memes-2015-4?IR=T http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/the-unusual-case-that-led-to-russias-new-meme-ban/#ixzz3X6hyqfv4 Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: DLCseller on April 12, 2015, 03:10:50 PM So , you're saying that Putin banned memes?
It's a good thing they don't ban the internet. If they ban it, its only in Russia. lol ;D Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: xhomerx10 on April 12, 2015, 03:23:43 PM It took a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights to swat down a similar law in France only recently.
Quote Eon, 61, a former social worker, was arrested as soon as he got out his sign, although it did not feature Sarkozy's name. The state prosecutor brought a case against him for offence against a head of state, and in 2008 he was ordered to pay a symbolic fine of €30 and given a criminal conviction. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/14/france-conviction-sign-sarkozy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/14/france-conviction-sign-sarkozy) Wonder how many other countries have such arcane laws in place? Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: cryptocoiner on April 12, 2015, 04:12:41 PM In America, you drive a car.
In Soviet Russia, car drives you! In America, you watch Big Brother. In Soviet Russia, Big Brother watches you! In America, you break law. In Soviet Russia, law breaks you! Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: abyrnes81 on April 12, 2015, 09:16:20 PM In America, you drive a car. In Soviet Russia, car drives you! In America, you watch Big Brother. In Soviet Russia, Big Brother watches you! In America, you break law. In Soviet Russia, law breaks you! Not only in soviet Russia but also in other reason, like China. However I don't understand why ban memes, them are so funny and make me laugh every time I see one. Maybe they want also to ban the "happiness". Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Souldream on April 13, 2015, 09:14:06 AM It took a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights to swat down a similar law in France only recently. Quote Eon, 61, a former social worker, was arrested as soon as he got out his sign, although it did not feature Sarkozy's name. The state prosecutor brought a case against him for offence against a head of state, and in 2008 he was ordered to pay a symbolic fine of €30 and given a criminal conviction. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/14/france-conviction-sign-sarkozy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/14/france-conviction-sign-sarkozy) Wonder how many other countries have such arcane laws in place? This was not a "meme" or any carricature... but he directly insulted the president in public. I would like to see "Poutine" insulted in public by some Russian citizen to see how much they will stay in live.... when you see that simple woman get goulag for making a song in a church against the Poutine's World.... Anyway since long time we know that the word "democratic" is not used in Russia... changed it with "corruption" ...this has more common sense ! Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: EternalWingsofGod on April 13, 2015, 10:06:31 AM Well this seems like an unusual law so I looked for another source
Can't really trust in the Washington post with an American view that may be twisting the topic. Upon further analysis though it seems to be true looks like they want to defend personal privacy rights in order to prevent libel, sort of like the case where this autistic girls image is being used to represent an anti vaccination campaign. http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1335166/calgary-mother-fights-to-remove-facebook-hate-speech-page-that-stole-photo-of-daughter-with-down-syndrome/ A person who believes that their image is being used inappropriately can report the offenders to Roskomnadzor or sue them. "Web sites are essentially given the choice of blocking the offending content in Russia, or seeing their whole sites get blocked across the country,” the Post writes. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/russias-internet-censor-reminds-citizens-that-some-memes-are-illegal/ Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: chmod755 on April 13, 2015, 10:25:12 AM Is it illegal to create memes or to share those memes? Or both?
Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Snail2 on April 13, 2015, 10:29:14 AM Well this seems like an unusual law so I looked for another source Can't really trust in the Washington post with an American view that may be twisting the topic. Upon further analysis though it seems to be true looks like they want to defend personal privacy rights in order to prevent libel, sort of like the case where this autistic girls image is being used to represent an anti vaccination campaign. http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/1335166/calgary-mother-fights-to-remove-facebook-hate-speech-page-that-stole-photo-of-daughter-with-down-syndrome/ A person who believes that their image is being used inappropriately can report the offenders to Roskomnadzor or sue them. "Web sites are essentially given the choice of blocking the offending content in Russia, or seeing their whole sites get blocked across the country,” the Post writes. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/russias-internet-censor-reminds-citizens-that-some-memes-are-illegal/ That makes more sense then the original article. Certainly there are always some danger of abusing such laws. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: SirChiko on April 13, 2015, 11:17:09 AM Definitely "give that man a cookie", there are plenty of funny memes about putin, i really think this will not change anything in the way people use memes, the internet is big... :P You are maybr going to be dissappointed but this is anti russia bullshit propaganda and it's actually no law.Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: hofor on April 13, 2015, 11:45:35 AM Good and to-the-point replies, Balthazar. It's quite telling that the West's favourite game of Russia-bashing is intensifying now... I take it you support Russia in any conflict with the West, then?Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: jaysabi on April 14, 2015, 12:22:23 AM Definitely "give that man a cookie", there are plenty of funny memes about putin, i really think this will not change anything in the way people use memes, the internet is big... :P You are maybr going to be dissappointed but this is anti russia bullshit propaganda and it's actually no law.Russian censors have determined that one of the most popular forms of Internet meme is illegal. According to Roskomnadzor, the Kremlin’s media watchdog, it’s now against the law to use celebrities’ photographs in a meme, “when the image has nothing to do with the celebrity’s personality.” The new policy comes on the heels of a court decision in Moscow, where a judge ruled that a particular photo meme violates the privacy of Russian singer Valeri Syutkin. The court’s decision targets an article on Lurkmore, a popular Wikipedia-style Russian website that focuses on Internet subcultures and memes. The court ordered Lurkmore remove controversial meme "BBPE" with Syutkin Moscow, on 7 April. According to the decision of the Meshchansky Court of Moscow common network meme "BBPE" with photographs of the Russian singer Valery Syutkina obscene and signature must be removed from the pages of the online encyclopedia "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore). Thus the Court granted the petition Roskomnadzora, who represented the singer in court. Over the next 30 days Lurkmore must remove meme with a portrait or Syutkin Roscomnadzor make resource page in a single register of banned information (which it does, however, regularly, on different occasions). Photo by Valery Syutkina with an appropriate inscription for several years used the Internet meme BBPE, "Beat a woman by ... (person)", probably due to the fact that intelligent and cheerful person Syutkina better than others opposed to the absurd slogan that allows you to instantly achieve a comic effect. Earlier in December Meshchansky Court in Moscow refused Roskomnadzor in considering a claim for blacklisted page online resource "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore) to offend Valery Syutkina meme known in abbreviated form as "BBPE", as applied to him "wrong applicant ". According to the creator of "Lurkomorya" scandalous picture two years older than the site itself. Directly involved in the developments took my mother a singer: she was found that the image of his face "used in bad faith." Site Lurkmore positions itself as an online encyclopedia of contemporary culture, telling, including the history of the origins of the various memes. The Internet provides the following description of the resource: "Lurkomore» (Lurkmore) - informal, unformatted, frivolous and humorous online encyclopedia, positioning itself as the "Encyclopedia of modern culture, folklore and subcultures, as well as everything else." No law you were saying? Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Sithara007 on April 14, 2015, 03:27:38 AM This country is becoming another USSR after Puttin‘s back, And they will still call Russia a free and democratic country. In my opinion, Putin owns Russia and he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do with it and it's people. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: bryant.coleman on April 14, 2015, 06:42:40 AM This country is becoming another USSR after Puttin‘s back, And they will still call Russia a free and democratic country. In my opinion, Putin owns Russia and he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do with it and it's people.Just like Obama owns the US, and Merkel owns Germany (and probably Greece), Putin owns Russia. But the difference here is that Putin enjoys more than 80% support from his people, while for both Obama and Merkel, it is lower than 30%. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: Balthazar on April 14, 2015, 07:48:13 AM No law you were saying? Get your priorities straight and stop being a fool please. There is no such law which would allow RKN to perform such activity. But individuals can sue an author of meme for violation of their rights.Just like in the USA, by the way... http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20140107-WSJ-coinye.pdf http://radio.com/2014/07/28/kanye-west-coinye-lawsuit-win-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/ No law you were saying? :D :D :D Lol, how quickly did you forget about Coinye lawsuit. Seems like Orwellian doublethink to me. ::) Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: hofor on April 14, 2015, 08:28:18 AM This country is becoming another USSR after Puttin?s back, And they will still call Russia a free and democratic country. In my opinion, Putin owns Russia and he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do with it and it's people.Just like Obama owns the US, and Merkel owns Germany (and probably Greece), Putin owns Russia. But the difference here is that Putin enjoys more than 80% support from his people, while for both Obama and Merkel, it is lower than 30%. 80% support for Putin? Well. I guess it's easy to get support when you don't have a problem killing your opponents or those who criticize you. Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: bryant.coleman on April 14, 2015, 08:39:22 AM Obama and Merkel don't own their countries like Putin owns Russia. Putin is a near-dictator, and the others aren't. People might differ. For me, Obama is more of a dictator than Putin. 80% support for Putin? Well. I guess it's easy to get support when you don't have a problem killing your opponents or those who criticize you. People will be having their own priorities. Ordinary Russians are thankful to Putin, for significantly improving their living conditions over the years. Also, most of the opposition figures in Russia are having an image problem. And who is killing their political opponents? Are you talking about the future-POTUS Hillary Clinton, who has murdered more than two dozen of her political opponents? Remember Vince Foster? Title: Re: Russia Just Made A Ton Of Memes Illegal Post by: jaysabi on April 14, 2015, 04:29:39 PM No law you were saying? Get your priorities straight and stop being a fool please. There is no such law which would allow RKN to perform such activity. But individuals can sue an author of meme for violation of their rights.Just like in the USA, by the way... http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20140107-WSJ-coinye.pdf http://radio.com/2014/07/28/kanye-west-coinye-lawsuit-win-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/ No law you were saying? :D :D :D Lol, how quickly did you forget about Coinye lawsuit. Seems like Orwellian doublethink to me. ::) All right, calm down mate. Your over-defensiveness speaks louder than your words. Does Russia not have some analogous system of common law based on court cases? This rule/law/whatever you want to call it came down from your censorship agency after a court case made it possible to enforce. That's how common law works in the western world, that's how the judicial branch creates case law. You know what the difference between the "Coinye" lawsuit and the Lurkmore lawsuit is? After the decision, no censorship agency in the US declared all memes illegal, or all cryptocurrencies illegal, or all anything illegal. |
