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Bitcoin => Mining speculation => Topic started by: hamdi on August 21, 2012, 05:16:07 PM



Title: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hamdi on August 21, 2012, 05:16:07 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: enmaku on August 21, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

Care to cite a source for your FUD?


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Garr255 on August 21, 2012, 05:18:03 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

Link me :P


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hamdi on August 21, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
Quote
"The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime." -- Satoshi


the hashing algo is sure not part of the "core design".


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Gyrsur on August 21, 2012, 05:20:12 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

gavin mentioned if someone will come out with a ASIC mining solution for bitcoin it will be a sign for him that bitcoin reached a level of stability...

nice try, anyway!  ::)


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Jutarul on August 21, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

This has been discussed before. the hashing procedure is not going anywhere. And even if there's a major change. Miner's can take a loss. And I doubt it will change more then 1-2 within the next 20 years.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: ElectricMucus on August 21, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Quote
"The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime." -- Satoshi


the hashing algo is sure not part of the "core design".

For all practical purposes it is.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: stevegee58 on August 21, 2012, 05:22:29 PM
Haha and the only ones who can adapt to the new algorithm will be those still holding GPUs.
And everyone who dumped their GPUs to recoup their investment and buy ASICs will be crying to buy the GPUs back.

 ;D


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Jutarul on August 21, 2012, 05:23:58 PM
Haha and the only ones who can adapt to the new algorithm will be those still holding GPUs.
And everyone who dumped their GPUs to recoup their investment and buy ASICs will be crying to buy the GPUs back.

 ;D

That's why a wise man always holds different types of hardware as a mix. Keeps him flexible.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Cablez on August 21, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
All I hear is blah blah blah from both sides without any sort of validity.......or was I watching CNN again?


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: imsaguy on August 21, 2012, 05:43:34 PM
All I hear is blah blah blah from both sides without any sort of validity.......or was I watching CNN again?

Nah, the cat stepped on the controller.. it was Fox News.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Shadow383 on August 21, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
It's basically impossible to change the hashing algorithm once ASICs arrive, even if it's necessary... How on earth are you going to get half the network to switch if the vast majority of the hashing power can't?


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hamdi on August 22, 2012, 01:00:55 AM
sanity wants it to be that way.

we donīt need single crazy nodes with high hash power.

we need many nodes with expedient hashing power to keep the network alive and integer.

itīs what litecoin assessed to, bitcoin will be upright.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Jutarul on August 22, 2012, 04:12:16 AM
sanity wants it to be that way.

we donīt need single crazy nodes with high hash power.

we need many nodes with expedient hashing power to keep the network alive and integer.

itīs what litecoin assessed to, bitcoin will be upright.

Big farms (>1 MW) are unlikely in short term because you'd eventually have to run a power plant to feed it. The practical limit for most miners is somwhere between 10 kW and 100 kW, which with an ASIC efficiency of 100MH/W corresponds to about 1-10TH.
But there will be a lot of those 1TH miners... If things progress they way they do now I expect PetaHash/s around 2015.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Unacceptable on August 22, 2012, 08:28:53 AM
sanity wants it to be that way.

we donīt need single crazy nodes with high hash power.

we need many nodes with expedient hashing power to keep the network alive and integer.

itīs what litecoin assessed to, bitcoin will be upright.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Awjeez-1.jpg


There WILL be many nodes,instead of 1-2gh (most current GPU setups,like mine) they will be 5-20gh (like mine will be with 4 jallies).

From this (current GPU setups):

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/redneck_harley.jpg

To this (more purpose built & streamlined) :

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/RedneckWheelchair.jpg

                            ;D 8) ;D 8)


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: idev on August 22, 2012, 11:37:19 AM
sanity wants it to be that way.

we donīt need single crazy nodes with high hash power.

we need many nodes with expedient hashing power to keep the network alive and integer.

itīs what litecoin assessed to, bitcoin will be upright.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Awjeez-1.jpg


There WILL be many nodes,instead of 1-2gh (most current GPU setups,like mine) they will be 5-20gh (like mine will be with 4 jallies).

From this (current GPU setups):

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/redneck_harley.jpg

To this (more purpose built & streamlined) :

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/RedneckWheelchair.jpg

                            ;D 8) ;D 8)

:D


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: racerguy on August 22, 2012, 12:17:44 PM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.

it seems to me you're on CRACK!!


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: lame.duck on August 23, 2012, 07:04:18 AM
Big farms (>1 MW) are unlikely in short term because you'd eventually have to run a power plant to feed it. The practical limit for most miners is somwhere between 10 kW and 100 kW, which with an ASIC efficiency of 100MH/W corresponds to about 1-10TH.

http://wiredre.com/data-center-for-sale/

I am sure there will other datacenters and industrial sites that could be used too.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: Unacceptable on August 23, 2012, 08:22:22 AM
new bitcoin hashing algo will use proof-of-stake and a memory-hard algo so that CPU mining will be the new thing.
lets see how many asic miners change to an algo that will make their hardware redundant

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac220/thealisaurus/GIF%20Animations/What.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v660/silver_deamon_slayer/GIF/1155267007076.gif



Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: K1773R on October 23, 2012, 07:34:30 AM
Quote
"The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime." -- Satoshi


the hashing algo is sure not part of the "core design".
im sry but this is total bullshit, hasing algo is a huge part of the core!


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hardcore-fs on October 24, 2012, 02:13:23 AM
Haha and the only ones who can adapt to the new algorithm will be those still holding GPUs.
And everyone who dumped their GPUs to recoup their investment and buy ASICs will be crying to buy the GPUs back.

 ;D

That is juat SAD!!!!, FPGA's can also be re-purposed just by loading in a new *.Bit file.
So much for your 'theory'

Also ASIC can be repurposed IF......... they are designed correctly.....

HC





Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: aqrulesms on October 24, 2012, 03:59:11 AM
Haha and the only ones who can adapt to the new algorithm will be those still holding GPUs.
And everyone who dumped their GPUs to recoup their investment and buy ASICs will be crying to buy the GPUs back.

 ;D

That is juat SAD!!!!, FPGA's can also be re-purposed just by loading in a new *.Bit file.
So much for your 'theory'

Also ASIC can be repurposed IF......... they are designed correctly.....

HC





Isn't that a complete contradiction of the term ASIC? Ask yourself that...


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hardcore-fs on October 26, 2012, 12:05:58 AM
Nope!!!!
Application Specific Integrated Circuit.

Mathematics is an application,  by implementing the mathematical functions inside the ASIC as routines then building a micro coded state-machine engine that can load a micro program from either ROM or a stream, the "ASIC" can be re-puropsed based on the original trolls assumption of an algorithm change, screwing over the ASICS.
However IF the designers have hardcoded the function for SHA256 without a micro code engine, then any bug/change in the algorithm would potentially render the ASICS scrap.

consider it as
x=f(1)(f2)(f3)(f4)
instead of
x=1+2+3+4

Obviously it would only work within a given field, but it is still feasible and practiced today(intel microcoded CPU's)
HC.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: CharlesPonzi on October 26, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
Everyone can buy a $140 jalapeno. Not everyone can buy a $5000 mining rig or operate it.

ASIC will actually increase the distributed mining capability.


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hardcore-fs on October 26, 2012, 12:53:07 AM
It appears not......

http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapen


Error 404
Not Found!


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: zoinky on October 26, 2012, 01:20:35 AM
It appears not......

http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapen


Error 404
Not Found!


You forgot the o. http://www.butterflylabs.com/order-form-bitforce-sc-jalapeno


Title: Re: bitcoin will change the hashing algo and render all the BFL shit useless!! HAHA
Post by: hardcore-fs on October 26, 2012, 03:25:51 AM
K , someone has been screwing with

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison

I will go in and re-edit it.

FIXED!!!!!