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Title: Removed from Default Trust Post by: devthedev on April 16, 2015, 01:40:04 AM Hey there, is it possible to know who removed me from their trust list?
It's concerning because I make it a point to oust scammers and community threats, but no longer have the weight I've had in the past. I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: AltcoinInvestor on April 16, 2015, 01:45:01 AM You were never on my trust list, so I didn't do it ;D
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: EcuaMobi on April 16, 2015, 01:45:15 AM Hey there, is it possible to know who removed me from their trust list? It's concerning because I make it a point to oust scammers and community threats, but no longer have the weight I've had in the past. I'm looking forward to hearing your feedback. I think escrow.ms had you in his trust list and a couple of weeks ago he removed a lot of people from it. As far as I know you were on his list only so now nobody from depth 1 has you added. In my opinion users shouldn't ask to be added. Everyone can decide whom to add to their list, including people from depth 1. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: r3wt on April 16, 2015, 02:54:54 AM I was thinking the other day about registering an account "AlternativeTrust"
so i compiled a list of the people who i consider trustworthy: Quote theymos dooglus defaced Maged Kluge -ck Vod danieldaniel Tomatocage SaltySpitoon b!z binaryFate mullick shakezula ~DefaultTrust monbux devthedev tacotime the joint note that a ~ (tilde) means remove from trust. I feel like the above list would be appropriate for an alternative trust list. you can change your personal trust at any time at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: r3wt on April 16, 2015, 02:59:45 AM I think you were probably removed because of a previous proximity to TF circa CoinChat era.
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Quickseller on April 16, 2015, 03:01:53 AM You were previously on CanaryInTheMine's trust list and shortly after he was removed entirely, I noticed that you had been added to escrow.ms's list. A few weeks ago you were removed from escrow.ms's list along with several other people.
You would need to discuss with escrow.ms the reason behind your removal. edit: "AlternativeTrust" lolQuote ` Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: --Encrypted-- on April 16, 2015, 03:03:15 AM I don't understand. You still have a lot of people having you on their trust list, how could a single trust change your weight? you can still bust scammers with that kind of trust rating.
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: r3wt on April 16, 2015, 03:05:48 AM I don't understand. You still have a lot of people having you on their trust list, how could a single trust change your weight? you can still bust scammers with that kind of trust rating. Well, not being on default trust list removes you from Depth 1. therefore, if someone in Depth 1 doesn't trust you, your trust score isn't Green. Without a green trust score, your visibility as a trusted entity is limited to those that know/know of you. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: r3wt on April 16, 2015, 03:06:58 AM You were previously on CanaryInTheMine's trust list and shortly after he was removed entirely, I noticed that you had been added to escrow.ms's list. A few weeks ago you were removed from escrow.ms's list along with several other people. You would need to discuss with escrow.ms the reason behind your removal. edit: "AlternativeTrust" lolQuote ` Sorry Quickseller, but i don't know you well enough to put you on my trust list yet. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Quickseller on April 16, 2015, 03:09:21 AM I don't understand. You still have a lot of people having you on their trust list, how could a single trust change your weight? you can still bust scammers with that kind of trust rating. Well, not being on default trust list removes you from Depth 1. therefore, if someone in Depth 1 doesn't trust you, your trust score isn't Green. Without a green trust score, your visibility as a trusted entity is limited to those that know/know of you. Being on level 2 (or even level 1) of the default trust network has nothing to do with the color of your trust rating, it only has to do with if your feedback is visible to others by default Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: EcuaMobi on April 16, 2015, 03:10:11 AM I don't understand. You still have a lot of people having you on their trust list, how could a single trust change your weight? you can still bust scammers with that kind of trust rating. Well, not being on default trust list removes you from Depth 1. therefore, if someone in Depth 1 doesn't trust you, your trust score isn't Green. Without a green trust score, your visibility as a trusted entity is limited to those that know/know of you. No. Having a green trust has nothing to do with being on default trust. You are on default trust by "default" if someone from depth 1 adds you to his trust list and therefore you become part of depth 2. Even someone with negative trust could be on default trust (although of course no one on depth 1 would do that). Your trust is green if the left-most number is positive and that happens if you have a few trusted ratings for several months. Those are 2 independent concepts. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: r3wt on April 16, 2015, 03:10:37 AM I don't understand. You still have a lot of people having you on their trust list, how could a single trust change your weight? you can still bust scammers with that kind of trust rating. Well, not being on default trust list removes you from Depth 1. therefore, if someone in Depth 1 doesn't trust you, your trust score isn't Green. Without a green trust score, your visibility as a trusted entity is limited to those that know/know of you. Being on level 2 (or even level 1) of the default trust network has nothing to do with the color of your trust rating, it only has to do with if your feedback is visible to others by default Which is what i meant. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: guitarplinker on April 16, 2015, 03:45:12 AM Even someone with negative trust could be on default trust (although of course no one on depth 1 would do that). If I remember right, users on the default trust with negative overall trust are removed from the list.But I too noticed that users have been removed from the default trust in the past few weeks. Another user removed who hasn't been mentioned was cooldgamer. It seems like most of the people removed from default trust were very trustworthy, not sure why someone would remove them from their trust list. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: marcotheminer on April 16, 2015, 06:30:07 AM Something that always pops into my mind is this: the forum continually repeats that the trust list is not moderated, but is it not (some sort of) moderation if the default trust list is altered as people want? (eg CITM removed, tecshare ignored). I may be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: hilariousandco on April 16, 2015, 06:47:20 AM Something that always pops into my mind is this: the forum continually repeats that the trust list is not moderated, but is it not (some sort of) moderation if the default trust list is altered as people want? (eg CITM removed, tecshare ignored). I may be completely wrong. No. Feedback left/received isn't moderated but obviously by definition the way default trust works it is continuously changing over time with people being added and removed. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: BadBear on April 16, 2015, 06:58:21 AM Correct. Feedback isn't moderated. No matter what happens, except in extreme cases of spam, your feedback will always be there for people to read and decide for themselves. They can also decide if they want to see it as trusted or not. That's what it means, that you have a choice, and ultimately it's up to you.
A lot of people use the wrong terms when talking about the trust system. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: koelen3 on April 16, 2015, 10:14:52 AM You still got them Green Apples buddy! I don't think it matters if you are in Depth 2 or not . You are considered as one of the best and Trusted Escrow around here .
https://i.imgur.com/ATbUPvT.png Cheers Why it appears 19 for me and 44 for QS ??? Trust: 19: -0 / +18(18) PS - how do i make the #19 dark like in Pic here ? can't find it in codes EDIT : Got it! Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: hilariousandco on April 16, 2015, 10:30:03 AM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added.
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 16, 2015, 10:36:00 AM You still got them Green Apples buddy! I don't think it matters if you are in Depth 2 or not . You are considered as one of the best and Trusted Escrow around here . [ img]https://i.imgur.com/ATbUPvT.png[/img] Cheers It's not about his trust rating, his trust feedback won't be seen as trusted anymore. =snip= It's concerning because I make it a point to oust scammers and community threats, but no longer have the weight I've had in the past. =snip= Why it appears 19 for me and 44 for QS ??? Trust: 19: -0 / +18(18) You are using default trust list but Quickseller is using a custom trust list. So what he see maybe different from what you see. It is also possible if Quickeller or you use different trust depth. P.S. I use a custom trust list and chose depth 1. I see devthedev's rating as 21: -0 / +20(20) PS - how do i make the #19 dark like in Pic here ? can't find it in codes You can either use bold code or you can use hex color code instead of using name. Hex color codes: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colorpicker.asp Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: koelen3 on April 16, 2015, 10:39:49 AM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 16, 2015, 10:44:35 AM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! Quickseller's +6 rating will change third number and maybe fourth too. The first number will take some time to increase. The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts. Edit: AFAIK the formula used atm. It may have changed. Code: scam_reports = total unique users who report scamming Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: erikalui on April 16, 2015, 10:54:02 AM You can still leave negative trust if you find a scammer and the members who want to trust your trust rating will do. It does not matter if you are/not in the default trust list.
Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: koelen3 on April 16, 2015, 12:24:42 PM The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts. Edit: AFAIK the formula used atm. It may have changed. Code: scam_reports = total unique users who report scamming I can't understand anything in this formula LOL It's got too much of mathematics and am not at all good at it! Anyways let's now hijack devthedev's thread , i got my answers Thank you Quote Quickseller's +6 rating will change third number and maybe fourth too. The first number will take some time to increase. I never understood how the trust works , I see you have this trust : 0: -0 / +3(3) , why does the First number of yours is still zero ?? As you posted above a quote by Theymos , he says first number won't be other than 0 for a month , you first trusted feedback is 2 months old but your first number of trust is still 0 WHY ??? Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 16, 2015, 12:36:11 PM I can't understand anything in this formula LOL It's got too much of mathematics and am not at all good at it! Anyways let's now hijack devthedev's thread , i got my answers Thank you Not so hard if you check forst few comments in the formula. Quote Quickseller's +6 rating will change third number and maybe fourth too. The first number will take some time to increase. I never understood how the trust works , I see you have this trust : 0: -0 / +3(3) , why does the First number of yours is still zero ?? As you posted above a quote by Theymos , he says first number won't be other than 0 for a month , you first trusted feedback is 2 months old but your first number of trust is still 0 WHY ??? theymos said that nobody will get first number above zero until system is atleast 1 month old. Not the way you said. Relevant part of the code for your question: Code: limited_total = min(subtotal, 10*months) / 10 AFAIK if you get 1 feedback only, it will take 10 months for the first number to become 1. So when you get more feedback, 10 month will reduce. I will have to wait dome more weeks for first number to become 1 unless a user who left one of the older feedback is in trust list of the user who sees it. P.S. If you want to get better answer and/or want to know more, please start a new thread. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Quickseller on April 16, 2015, 12:40:05 PM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: peligro on April 16, 2015, 01:18:36 PM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying I don't see why a custom list is of any use to those outside the level 2. As far as possible I would like to see the rating as I know the majority would see it. If I want to decide whether the person is trustworthy, I will check through all the feedback. I don't need a number or color then to show me whether to trust. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Muhammed Zakir on April 16, 2015, 01:22:07 PM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying I don't see why a custom list is of any use to those outside the level 2. As far as possible I would like to see the rating as I know the majority would see it. If I want to decide whether the person is trustworthy, I will check through all the feedback. I don't need a number or color then to show me whether to trust. If you don't trust me and if somehow I am default trust list, you can remove me. Even though you check each feedback, by removing people you don't trust and adding people you trust will help you to get an idea whether user is trustworthy at a glance. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: peligro on April 16, 2015, 01:24:26 PM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying I don't see why a custom list is of any use to those outside the level 2. As far as possible I would like to see the rating as I know the majority would see it. If I want to decide whether the person is trustworthy, I will check through all the feedback. I don't need a number or color then to show me whether to trust. If you don't trust me and if somehow I am default trust list, you can remove me. Even though you check each feedback, by removing people you don't trust and adding people you trust will help you to get an idea whether user is trustworthy at a glance. I said if I need, I will look through all of it. It doesn't matter to me what my trust list is like, I can always look through all the feedback. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: Quickseller on April 16, 2015, 01:25:44 PM You need to trust the same people he does. If you don't use default trust at level 2 you'll see different scores depending on who you have added. Thanks though i do trust only DefaultTrust but i figured why i see Different from QS (becuase i checked his trust and he has left feedback thrice for him so it adds up +6) , so comes to 25 but i don't understand why 44 , why such large difference ? Understanding Trust system is little hard but maybe it's because QS's list must be a little modified and hence making it more Green for him . Only QS can confirm it ! EDIT : @Muhammed Zakir , so his Trust List is modified , i thought to check it up (which i'm) but it's big to compare it in devthedev's :D Thank for clarifying I don't see why a custom list is of any use to those outside the level 2. As far as possible I would like to see the rating as I know the majority would see it. If I want to decide whether the person is trustworthy, I will check through all the feedback. I don't need a number or color then to show me whether to trust. Title: Re: Removed from Default Trust Post by: goose20 on April 16, 2015, 01:35:07 PM https://i.imgur.com/uINEjXr.jpg
I couldn't agree more with the above. Some peeps deserve it, and some peeps REALLY deserve it ;) ;) ;) |
