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Found this on the forum i mod on i invested 2btc from what i can tell they have already done payouts and is ran buy a guy and his wife.


Proofs of my payment to them:
trans id 1: 7abf459861739dfcc99dc51c33966718966394d9b75eea929753f441eaff78c1

trans id 2: f90f5fa41b8d5aed011c0fd01845345b6fbea964b3553a6312797bf48ff71e0a


They seem nice enough might be good to try even if you only risk 5 bucks.


https://stakeminers.com/index.php (https://stakeminers.com/index.php)


Faq:
https://stakeminers.com/how.php (https://stakeminers.com/how.php)


Truthfully i can't say if its a scam or not but they been our forums for a while and seem a bit trust worthy.



OP:
https://allcryptotalk.com/index.php/topic/1244-the-future-of-cloud-mining/ (https://allcryptotalk.com/index.php/topic/1244-the-future-of-cloud-mining/)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.0)

Not sure if they posted here yet.

-edit- Found the op here -/edit-




I'M IN NO WAY INVOLVED WITH THIS SITE OTHER THEN USING THE SERVICE.
Use at your own risk.


As of 5/1/2015 i have pulled my investment of 2.0001btc with a 30% fee getting only 1.4btc back.
Current market price at cash out 241.72usd

yes they have posted in here with their account ciberpinoy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.0

and there is also a scam accusation to ciberpinoy, you might want to take a look here, it will be best if you do some investigation before depositing in the sites and also that if you get your payout, doesnt mean that they are legit, Pbmining's early customer also reached ROI and already in profit before the ponzi empire collapsed

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1016614.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1010427.0

Yes, I also considered testing them before I saw that scam accusation thread. I ll wait a bit to see how it goes.

Yeah i wasn't to sure still not sure the idea don't seem like a bad idea i guess ill just wait and see if he gets a scam report to his account by his investors in the site.
At this point in the game never know if something legit since everyone trying to go with the same ideas.
Also the fact its just basically one dude going at him so we will see ill keep it updated for sure.

I wouldn't trust any of my BTC even 1 satoshi, Bruno already pointed out Leroy's lie. Invest what you can afford to lose

It is not likely a personal vendetta or something if you read up the accusation, at least that "one dude" show some proof that he owner lied about some other thing.
In common sense, you are right, there is still no other scam accusation from other people especially from his investor. Just keep in mind to only put in what you are affordable to lose because this kind of business tend to go south in the end

Yeah i only invest what im willing to lose my number one rule and seems to be the rule everyone spits out.

I'll be watching this.

Ya i'll be watching this thread too, i already invested .1 btc (worth a shot) got a payout this past Sunday night (4/13/15) of BTC .0034 of my investment.

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I do not invest in something that doesn't have at least professionally designed web site. I know that this is not an indicator but it shows the seriousness of the project ..
When I see a page with such a bunch of randomly selected fonts, deficient graphic elements and so many HTML markup errors (149 Errors, 8 warnings total), I can not be objective about what is in the content.

I don't know, maybe it's just my occupational hazard ;)

Also when trying to log in (after already logged in and session times out)on the main page i see alot of MSQL scripting errors, now i am not a programer just a security nerd, but that could lead to an SQL injection attack. Basically they access your Dbase through quarrying it in the browser.

A lot of people get hacked that way and lose passwords/account info..

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PS

Not meant as a criticism, but to improve its security & longevity...

Yeah i did bring up he should add a {else} then html code for when they arnt logged in which they will likely update soon.
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Yeah as a dev my self i did inform them of the design and even offered to help if its needed.

Update: register page fixed


Also go my second daily payout. -Buy payouts i meaning earning-/edit-

http://i.gyazo.com/6bc30e77d2b932ef02e912768838e991.png

What is your expected ROI? This is weekly payout I assume?

@cyberpinoy
I appreciate you contact me on PM but I have nothing to hide from the public discussion therefore I ask that all responses to my comments you start posting here.

From what i understand your normal investment is still yours you can pull it anytime.

What the idea is they are putting more coins into a wallet when the pos hits the profits are shared. which are split by investment weight the more investments the more the wallet is full, staking higher i guess.

From what it says you can pull your investment anytime so i guess your investment is still yours but profits from having coins in the wallet are split.


-Edit- From what im thinking its like a bunch of people sharing a bank account sharing interest accumulated. Tho maybe there is an easier way of explaining it but im not the guy for that. -/Edit-


More info is here: https://stakeminers.com/how.php

I understand that. What I would like to know is the time period required to get back what you have invested while leaving your original investment to stake cause staking is all about not moving coins.

Um im not to clear on that for me at the moment im pulling a 0.002-0.005 daily so id say a bit better then mining.
But the more investors the more profit so it could be much faster.
Coins go up in value more profit but with a lot coins staking its a big plus.

Id check the current coin markets they are staking in coins wars is a good place to check market cap and such.

I know netcoin has $140,000 in market cap and a few other they stake in are a $40,000 and so on i just want to see if the new coins that are coming out will be staked also.


But what im thinking with staking maybe 200days could be my best guess.

Day 3 earnings.

http://i.gyazo.com/6e341a2b5e974ac86960644e93b1b814.png

Are you personally happy with these earnings? Would you recommend the service?

Well at the moment its close to what mining with 1thash miner would get you daily. But has the ability for faster roi from staking.
Coins go up in value so the amount earned can be the same or it can sky rocket.

So i don't see why not a few people are saying they been pay out before so its more of a personal pref i think.

If you want to invest you can always pull your investment out anytime i believe.

One thing, from what I see, this is a stake service where the coins being staked are those with PoS options, please do shed some lights, what coins are they staking for the moment ? It is weird that they are paying with BTC instead of the coins being staked. And also that PoS coins normally are fluctuative , will this imply a loss for the investor if the value of the coin being staked are drop?

coins:
http://i.gyazo.com/b4f8870d5f3c83d72a05b3a6e9ada636.png

As for that i believe your investment is safe i think the only losses that occur would be the daily earning.

As long as my initial investment is safe its the same for me just leaving them in my wallet this way i gain more coin on top of my investment.

Not sure about everything you can visit the site its in the OP.

Going to give this a try with a few dollars.

Yep, I put in mega hours in exposing Leroy Fodor and his wife, Katrina. They are not to be trusted with one satoshi.

Try asking for your bitcoins back and see what happens. You'll love Leroy's answer.

That's all fine and dandy but till i see someones been ripped off and there is a negative feedback im just take it.
This is more of a progress thread please do you best not to turn this into a war zone.
Please and thank you.

I'll abide, and have PM'ed you in re. unrelated this subject.

Thanks, bud.

Well the only problem i can see, if they return your btc, you might not get what you invested back, reason is the price of that coin could have gone down in the market.

My understanding is he/she sells your btc for the coins being staked, the staked % is then converted back from alt coin to btc and sent to your wallet once a week.

Investing here is just like any other stocks/mining cloud you could lose some/all btc.

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You keep telling us your investment is safe but there is a major problem. Your investment does not stay in BTC, it gets exchanged to coins which are set to stake. If the price of those coins goes down and you request your investment back, somebody s going to cover that loss. Either you or the OP.

Can you comment on this OP pls? What happens in this case?

I keep saying i think and believe until i try to pull my invest more or anyone else dose im not sure of anything.
I don't own the site so i wouldn't know im only using the service all i know is my earnings keep going up.

I'm pretty sure you can ask on the OP's thread or pm him anything i know is based on what ive read on the site or received via email or pm or looking at the site.

anyhow I got a reply via PM regarding this issue from cyberpinoy, i got his permission to posted it here


few things to be noted has been bolded and I do think it is best to post any question regarding this in stakeminers' thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.0 because sparkedDev is only an investor which know a little about the site .
Keep on asking question about stakeminers here will only create an endless debate

and to SparkedDev, I do think this discussion thread should be place in Altcoins service discussion board since this sites mainly about staking altcoins

I think what they are referring to, is that your btc can't be stolen/hacked/lost in the form of hacker stealing it, like most other places claim when they lose their btc.

Reason is your btc is converted to some alt coin, and according to OP all data is kept offline he literal sits there every day and manually does all the transactions by hand on each and every account, 1 man show :)



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So what he says basically is that he would compensate the loss which might arise from the value of staked coins going down? You always get 1 BTC back if you invest 1 BTC, right?

He is basically saying that your investments stays there as a capital that will give you earning based on what you invested as long as the site still running, or atleast this is what comes from my mind when trying to figure out about it.

For more info you can heads up here, since I posted question there as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.msg11131620#msg11131620

day 4 earnings.
http://i.gyazo.com/b84adc6d9b38fdd65aae607ce8f06332.png

this aint no service, this belongs in PONZI / SCAMS section ...

Yep, I can't believe sparkeddev invested 1BTC into this site :/

Pls elaborate.

Why do you think this is not legit?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.0

Its 20 pages thread. Could you pls sum up the result in 3 sentences?

Thx

stakeminer.com doesn't even load for me. I tried a few days in a row. All I get is a white page with no errors or other info.
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ says It's just you. http://www.stakeminer.com is up.

But still insecure connections to various resources (scripts and fonts).

That would be the ads we have from adbit.co. I see the banner is actually not loading.

edit: I changed these ads to https addresses but there are some non https addresses in the coins information links too. I cant change those sites, if they dont have https sites I cant do anything about that, people need to know what coins we are investing, that is useful information for new investors looking to invest. It helps them understand where their investment is going.

As said, it are your scripts (jquery) and fonts. Those are not a real big things, but if https is a big selling point then make sure all resources will go over an https connection. That will show the padlock icon in browsers and people can directly check the certificate.

edit: links are not the problem afaik. I use safari and it has the developer web inspector. Then you can check the page issues and in there it shows all these "warnings". It sounds very stupid and minor, but I know from my own experience that people will point to any little thing to find proof of whatever they are searching for.

We do have the padlock, and it does give our certificate information.
https://stakeminers.com/images/padlock.jpg

Aha, cool. But in safari it doesn't. Sorry for that, my bad. Read my edit in my previous note. BTW, I'm not trying to be "nasty", just a friendly reminder because I know how people abuse these mistakes to proof their points.

No sir you were correct check it now the main page let me know if it changed, all the scripts were pulling from HTTP sites I changed the main page if it works Ill change the rest

Perfect, in Safari all the font/scripts warnings are gone and it shows the padlock now. Feel free to give me a shout if you need somebody to check these or related stuff.

Well to be fair there is A LOT of main stream web sites even banking sites have that same issue they use cross site scripting, meaning they pull from none https: sites to add  adds/etc to their secure web site.

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Thank you, I did not notice the shield until you brought it up, it was pulling the fonts, and ajax libs from googleapis http address and not an https, I also added https: to my google analytics since that is a script that is directly running, hopefully it wont mess wioht my analytics, but if it does we have cloudflare analytcs and the server analytics we can use instead.

Again thank you.

One thing is for sure, by the time the users on Bitcoin talk are finished with my site, it will be very informationally secure.

Its all good its all fixed now :) information should be lock tight HAHA

You can thank Icon that the lock is there at all :)

Any plans on adding more coins in the future?

are you invested in the offered ones here sir, if you don't mind me asking? ;D

I do not disclose my private portfolio but yes, I hold variety of coins. I ask this cause more coins mean more differentiation to protect us from potential price swings.

Yes, every time we fill a wallet to it's max we will add  a new coin. There are 3 coins waiting for us to add them. They contacted us directly and asked if we could add them.

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WEBSITE NOTICE

I want to mention we had to rebuild the new OKCash Wallet to get our investors a maximum return. So there will be a possible 24 hour delay on staking in that wallet due to block re-structuring because of the new compile of the wallet.

Yes! Add them all, EXCEPT for PAYCOIN (XPY), run and never look back from that train wreck..

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What does it mean fill a wallet to its max? Can you pls elaborate on this?

Btw, keep up the good work, we need more stable and profitable crypto services to grow the entire economy.

Each wallet has a maximum amount of blocks that will generate you the maximum reward you can possibly get. So in our system when we realized this and we concluded that if you add another wallet once this threshold is met you can begin maxing out that new wallet and its blocks as well. Then you can start a rotation, because as time goes on, more coins are minted and bigger blocks need structured to get your maximum rewards in the other wallets you had maxed out. So as you fill new wallets up, you can then go back to your first wallet and begin buying coins and increasing your block sizes once again. This makes it so we are continually buying coins and helping to make the market for those coins more steady in value, and rising  as we invest daily.



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Just as I predicted, Sparked is now back above his earnings from before his decrease in his staking weight. As soon as he catches up his images you will see the proof, before the big decrease he was making roughly 0.00419274 a day, and today his earnings were 0.00423634. Yes a small increase, however our HyperStake wallet did not stake yesterday, and the OKCash wallet was recompiled and the blocks within were restructured and generated less stakes for the past 24 hours as well. So right now his income increased but his staking % decreased by almost 50% on the pool, and not all the wallets performed as well as they normally do.

earnings for day 7 ad 8 put together.

This weeks early payout bonus winners are as follows. Congratulations

Renard (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0e73521834073d4e7782fc634be53e6dac6346964bc087d403b71f8d1329645a)   
andyrool (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/6bd2156a925bf48f16145fcce91a731ce9b294ea3f706adb6aac58e9d01eea1e)   
autospamfighter (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/08705997b08a54a17c2faf34b11c9ef03a3a50b812cd30912a34c8da88253ca3)   

Regular Payouts are as follows.

Mulletwang (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/d986da4f83ad6e3bb2b802d48dc49af34dfc33f14d489599233f19c21f8c498a)
tyacan81 (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/9c88502e2a632169ac20cc08442455481c4ba445e7e5ad98912e0c4677d4f05f)
shialsuoto (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/baba4e93060c8dc0d21354332866e3b33a8d5f2ea5d3bae1aa66a540919030e6)
Ghaiana (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/ea47fe38d92e170bafaba3a524a11d76a7a52271fc4f37b135908f726fab084e)
LuisCorinthiano (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/31a1a00b9afa0850a30c0770ccec5fdbc7dfb84309ec975ffa5943776d1e1c17)
ollibertinho (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/d01bff9bf02163c795d8952adbd8a164a817d07ff145da7173809b4c16d61b91)
precrime3 (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/fac61cd0906477ee443a15ae2aa47bf090c0b7069a8e87a4f40b4e4ffbc79af5)
wuhotan (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/b9b995cd8fe8e2d9f06c9034b1412dfd421e3d743fd5de837c6fba68159248ce)
ofeefee (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/b3eeb24132f77d2feea4ec441f9a143fd10f65ce2f1ea29ac641c5a180c19c07)
coyne1981 (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/eef7ea5fb2063391cc77eebdad88749fbb1d49405d6c83c1f87ac6ffa86d8ee8)
Niliv (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/bbdb0eb659936edbe8c6ffd1fafcd7740e1fff2c6178148a9bd367d97c587647)
gribgo (https://blockchain.info/tx-index/cd307d0946a06375069432550a88908a8d489b2dc5712d654004637508a1b6dd)


You can view all of our transaction and payouts on our Payouts Page (https://stakeminers.com/transactions.php) We also post updates of the wallets we are staking in so you can keep track of your investment on your members accounts page.

Everyone who was paid out will see their accounts page has all the information listed for your records.


Thank you to all of our investors for another great week.

I will update once i get to my pc.

The server seems to be offline. Anyone can verify this?

Its not off the directory is just locked

Seems its working now.

Yes, everything s fine. Guess a temporary glitch.

recent update of earnings.
http://i.gyazo.com/9d4ce77d1c39f924f74948dd629dfb1a.png

I am so sorry, I was trying to add another layer of security to our account information and applied it to the wrong folder. Sorry about that. It is indeed back up and running again.

How do you plan to deal with PoS diminishing resources? For example, TEK s not paying even close to what they used to pay due to PoS difficulty going up. Great service BTW.

Looks like I'll need to research this topic a bit more, the service looks very interesting though :)

Dont need to, here is the whole novel of my Q&A session with cyberpinoy, you can chime in and read things about how things work to save your time of researching the whole thing from scratch https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989670.msg11131620#msg11131620

P.S : Cyberpinoy, I told you this whole session Q&A may be usefull for a potential investor  ;)

As we get new investors, we are buying coins all the time, every time we add coins our weight is strengthened which helps us to maintain our strength. Block structuring is also very important to help make sure you get the stakes you want to get.

I have withdrawn my investment payment is being received.
Felt it wasn't fast enough.

Was charge a 30% withdraw fee on my 2.0001btc investment.

https://blockchain.info/tx/2540cf1b407043bf078b54be6d254c5be77f61752501f662e14b1398f4852e91



Bitcoin transfer unconfirmed will update when its cleared.

-edit- refund cleared

So you lost BTC on this investment?

Only because i was impatient. And not really i had bought the btc in a 178 so all i lost was profit on the btc its self.

This is better for people who arnt active investors looking for big gains in a short time like im used to.

But they said they would repay investments and they paid mine back -30%

Any particular reason on why you are taking out your investment with Stakeminers?. I thought you are happy with your earnings

In short, I can tell that is a very huge loss you got there

2 BTC x 0.3 = 0.6 BTC

2 BTC - 0.6 BTC + 0.0568 BTC ( your earning with them ) = 1.4568 BTC . That is like a loss of 131$ if you use the current rate

Well the good point is atleast they are sticking to their words of returning your investment, but there are some small fineprint that a massive fee might be included if you are withdrawing your intial investment



EDIT : perhaps you can lock this thread if you are no longer investing with them

Its not that i had a bad experience i just felt i could earn more day trading.
By investing in new stores or services being offered in the bitcoin community.
They have always answered back and told me what was happening or if any delays might have occurred.
But as i said before service isn't meant for people who are impulsive i just found something with bigger higher and faster returns so that's my reasoning for backing out.

I would be impatient also, for Leroy Fodor is only paying out ~578% ROI every 6 months. Sorry to read that Leroy kept 30% of your moneys for withdrawing early, not that he needs it being that he and his wife, Katrina, own the largest bitcoin mining farm in all of the Philippines.

Wasn't fast enough?????? What it is in your opinion fast enough? There s no legit crypto service which can give you under 6-8 month ROI. I ve been into crypto for a long time and every single service which promised 2-3 months ROI ended as a scam. If you like to gamble, that s a different story.

Still, losing 30% was a very bad decision. That withdrawal fee ate your profits.

Why did the title change to "confirmed"

Because they do payout investments minus a fee, but it says on the site what your fee will be because when your pulling and messing up everyones profits.
whether or not i agree with it is a whole other story.

As to anyone else i don't much care that i lost, not going to break the pocket thats what investments should be money that you can afford to mess around with.



I read and understood the tos no one scammed me i played the cards i was dealt.

So unproven really.

They lock you in longer term and no easy way withdrawal "early" without pain.

That is just not a good investment.

Sounds more like a pyramid / ponzi style system that a longer term investment.

Why not just buy and hold BTC?

How does this site actually make an investor money? Explain it in simple terms.

I mostly invest btc in services or new businesses. You win some you lose some this is the game real investors take when trying to find a nice stable fast roi.


As for its being a ponzi i couldn't tell you, but i lost 30% because it negatively effects everyone else.
Pretty sure ponzis don't give you crap back so idk.


I posted the links in the OP so more reading can be done on the service i was fully aware of the risk, and took it but i found something with faster higher roi only reason i pulled out.

Not worried about the lose because i could afford to lose it.