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Title: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 16, 2015, 11:23:43 PM By Judge Andrew Napolitano
Can the president kill you? The short answer is: Yes, but not legally. Yet, President Obama has established a secret process that involves officials from the Departments of Justice and Defense, the CIA, and the White House senior staff whereby candidates are proposed for execution, and the collective wisdom of the officials then recommends execution to the president, who then accepts or rejects the recommendation. If the recommendation is to kill and the president rejects the recommendation, the CIA is directed to arrest the person. If the president accepts the recommendation to kill, then death is ordered. This is not unlike the procedure used in the reign of the monstrous British King Henry VIII, except that the king himself delegated the final say to his chancellor so that he could publicly disavow participation in the government murders. Obama does not disavow them; he defends them. But the Constitution he swore to uphold makes clear that whenever the government wants the life, liberty or property of anyone, it must follow due process. Stated differently, it must either sue the person for his property or prosecute him for his life or liberty, and the law that forms the basis for the lawsuit or the prosecution must have existed before the person did whatever the government says he did that resulted in its pursuit of him. The whole reason for the requirement of due process was to prevent what Henry VIII did and Obama is doing from ever happening here. It is happening here. ... More...https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/) Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: panju1 on April 17, 2015, 01:36:03 AM By Judge Andrew Napolitano Can the president kill you? The short answer is: Yes, but not legally. Yet, President Obama has established a secret process that involves officials from the Departments of Justice and Defense, the CIA, and the White House senior staff whereby candidates are proposed for execution, and the collective wisdom of the officials then recommends execution to the president, who then accepts or rejects the recommendation. If the recommendation is to kill and the president rejects the recommendation, the CIA is directed to arrest the person. If the president accepts the recommendation to kill, then death is ordered. This is not unlike the procedure used in the reign of the monstrous British King Henry VIII, except that the king himself delegated the final say to his chancellor so that he could publicly disavow participation in the government murders. https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/) How is it illegal, if there is a set process involved? Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Gronthaing on April 17, 2015, 02:56:27 AM @Chef Ramsay hasn't it happened before? Wasn't exactly like this. But COINTELPRO included inciting violence against and assassinations of Americans by the FBI.
@panju1 there is a process. But more than illegal, it's unconstitutional. Killing can happen outside war zones. And you have no chance to defend yourself in court. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 17, 2015, 03:26:19 AM By Judge Andrew Napolitano \ How is it illegal, if there is a set process involved? Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Sithara007 on April 17, 2015, 04:00:14 AM By Judge Andrew Napolitano Can the president kill you? The short answer is: Yes, but not legally. Yet, President Obama has established a secret process that involves officials from the Departments of Justice and Defense, the CIA, and the White House senior staff whereby candidates are proposed for execution, and the collective wisdom of the officials then recommends execution to the president, who then accepts or rejects the recommendation. If the recommendation is to kill and the president rejects the recommendation, the CIA is directed to arrest the person. If the president accepts the recommendation to kill, then death is ordered. This is not unlike the procedure used in the reign of the monstrous British King Henry VIII, except that the king himself delegated the final say to his chancellor so that he could publicly disavow participation in the government murders. Obama does not disavow them; he defends them. But the Constitution he swore to uphold makes clear that whenever the government wants the life, liberty or property of anyone, it must follow due process. Stated differently, it must either sue the person for his property or prosecute him for his life or liberty, and the law that forms the basis for the lawsuit or the prosecution must have existed before the person did whatever the government says he did that resulted in its pursuit of him. The whole reason for the requirement of due process was to prevent what Henry VIII did and Obama is doing from ever happening here. It is happening here. ... More...https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/) The president is the most powerful person on the entire planet. So he can kill anyone he wants to kill and still not get prosecuted for it. The bill is just a piece of papers. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: twister on April 17, 2015, 04:45:12 AM Anybody can be killed when it comes to "National Security", if you think President is killing people for personal gains, you're mistaken. It is illegal but it's not easy to keep a country safe by following all the rules, especially when there is a chance that the criminal might use those rules to get away. It is then decided that it's better to remove those than to let them go to trials.
Remember the movie "Swordfish" __ Quote Gabriel: You're not looking at the big picture Stan. Here's a scenario. You have the power to cure all the world's diseases but the price for this is that you must kill a single innocent child, could you kill that child Stanley? Stanley: No. Gabriel: You disappoint me, it's the greatest good. It's easy for us to sit safely in our secluded homes and judge but when you face similar situations you'll then know that keeping a nation safe is difficult and harsh decisions have to be taken and sacrifices has to be made. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: TheButterZone on April 17, 2015, 04:56:00 AM A thought experiment:
A newborn baby is laying on a blanket in the Rose Garden. Any POTUS standing over that baby. "Civilian" law-abiding gun owners screened for sanity with openly holstered firearms facing POTUS. Secret Service agents hidden, with their sights trained on the law-abiding gun owners heads, but POTUS still clearly visible to them. POTUS pulls a large knife and slowly kneels down. Before POTUS is able to slaughter the baby, the gun owners draw their guns and just as they're about to fire upon POTUS, who do the Secret Service agents shoot in self-defense? Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: waterpile on April 17, 2015, 06:29:21 AM By Judge Andrew Napolitano Can the president kill you? The short answer is: Yes, but not legally. Yet, President Obama has established a secret process that involves officials from the Departments of Justice and Defense, the CIA, and the White House senior staff whereby candidates are proposed for execution, and the collective wisdom of the officials then recommends execution to the president, who then accepts or rejects the recommendation. If the recommendation is to kill and the president rejects the recommendation, the CIA is directed to arrest the person. If the president accepts the recommendation to kill, then death is ordered. This is not unlike the procedure used in the reign of the monstrous British King Henry VIII, except that the king himself delegated the final say to his chancellor so that he could publicly disavow participation in the government murders. Obama does not disavow them; he defends them. But the Constitution he swore to uphold makes clear that whenever the government wants the life, liberty or property of anyone, it must follow due process. Stated differently, it must either sue the person for his property or prosecute him for his life or liberty, and the law that forms the basis for the lawsuit or the prosecution must have existed before the person did whatever the government says he did that resulted in its pursuit of him. The whole reason for the requirement of due process was to prevent what Henry VIII did and Obama is doing from ever happening here. It is happening here. ... More...https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/) The president is the most powerful person on the entire planet. So he can kill anyone he wants to kill and still not get prosecuted for it. The bill is just a piece of papers. The bill is only for average people, people who are in power can use this to their own advantage. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Mike Christ on April 17, 2015, 09:04:09 AM Anybody can be killed when it comes to "National Security", if you think President is killing people for personal gains, you're mistaken. It is illegal but it's not easy to keep a country safe by following all the rules, especially when there is a chance that the criminal might use those rules to get away. It is then decided that it's better to remove those than to let them go to trials. Remember the movie "Swordfish" __ Quote Gabriel: You're not looking at the big picture Stan. Here's a scenario. You have the power to cure all the world's diseases but the price for this is that you must kill a single innocent child, could you kill that child Stanley? Stanley: No. Gabriel: You disappoint me, it's the greatest good. It's easy for us to sit safely in our secluded homes and judge but when you face similar situations you'll then know that keeping a nation safe is difficult and harsh decisions have to be taken and sacrifices has to be made. Shit sociopaths say Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: TECSHARE on April 17, 2015, 11:28:42 AM http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2013/5/22/obama_admin_admits_for_first_time_it_killed_four_us_citizens_in_drone_strikes_outside_war_zones
Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: BitMos on April 17, 2015, 05:07:05 PM yes, but it ain't the president, it's an usurper but the people believe him... yes he can kill you... yes you believed in his hope and you trusted him. Only in God We trust (the believers, and I swear to you, Barack Hussein Obama 44 Potus ain't among US).
Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Gronthaing on April 18, 2015, 03:48:57 AM Anybody can be killed when it comes to "National Security", if you think President is killing people for personal gains, you're mistaken. It is illegal but it's not easy to keep a country safe by following all the rules, especially when there is a chance that the criminal might use those rules to get away. It is then decided that it's better to remove those than to let them go to trials. Remember the movie "Swordfish" __ Quote Gabriel: You're not looking at the big picture Stan. Here's a scenario. You have the power to cure all the world's diseases but the price for this is that you must kill a single innocent child, could you kill that child Stanley? Stanley: No. Gabriel: You disappoint me, it's the greatest good. It's easy for us to sit safely in our secluded homes and judge but when you face similar situations you'll then know that keeping a nation safe is difficult and harsh decisions have to be taken and sacrifices has to be made. The president isn't doing it for personal gain. True. And things like this didn't start with him or recently. But the Americans killed weren't an immediate danger to the country. And neither were any of the others killed. They weren't even near a war zone. So safety of the country wasn't why they were killed. Why not just capture them and bring them to trial instead? Were they afraid to lose the cases? Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: panju1 on April 18, 2015, 04:54:20 AM The president isn't doing it for personal gain. True. And things like this didn't start with him or recently. But the Americans killed weren't an immediate danger to the country. And neither were any of the others killed. They weren't even near a war zone. So safety of the country wasn't why they were killed. Why not just capture them and bring them to trial instead? Were they afraid to lose the cases? While the motive of the President usually isn't questioned, this seems to be a 'short cut' approach which is being implemented. Trials, judgement, sentencing can get messy. If a person with lower scruples becomes the POTUS (it is not impossible), he might misuse his powers. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: TheButterZone on April 18, 2015, 05:11:43 AM If a person with lower scruples becomes the POTUS (it is not impossible), he might misuse his powers. If? Impossible? You don't get the votes counted for you to win POTUS if you don't have the lowest scruples, if you're not the worst possible evil, running. I have not lived in a time where there has been a single POTUS who hasn't misused his powers, to categorically evil ends. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: BADecker on April 18, 2015, 05:14:41 AM Listen for the part where Clinton was required by the Supreme Court to answer to a hotel maid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SvZ3g7ScpI
If you are dead, you can't go to the Supreme Court for any kind of ruling. But your relatives, whose property you are, can go to get their property back... or compensation. :) Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: intelligencegroup on April 18, 2015, 05:26:16 AM First and foremost the users on this thread should understand that on many internet forums and chats that discuss politics and sensitive matters, there are government users posting under various accounts that "take the government side".
The question is not properly written. It should have been "How many americans have been killed by the US Government?". The case of a radical muslim sympathizer is put forward, but it makes me laugh that one single occurrence is discussed so much when in fact there are hundreds of thousands dead, through the classical "accident method". Keep dreaming people... Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: twister on April 18, 2015, 05:36:29 AM It's easy for us to sit safely in our secluded homes and judge but when you face similar situations you'll then know that keeping a nation safe is difficult and harsh decisions have to be taken and sacrifices has to be made. Shit sociopaths say Thank you. La-Z-Boy recliners are sure comfy. The president isn't doing it for personal gain. True. And things like this didn't start with him or recently. But the Americans killed weren't an immediate danger to the country. And neither were any of the others killed. They weren't even near a war zone. So safety of the country wasn't why they were killed. Why not just capture them and bring them to trial instead? Were they afraid to lose the cases? There are things that you and I don't know but governments do. Not talking any sides, not saying that killing innocent* people is justified but sometimes Nations are required to take actions which are necessary to keep others safe. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Gronthaing on April 21, 2015, 02:04:50 AM @twister Yet we never hear their justifications for it. Not at the time. Not years after. Not decades after. What we eventually hear instead is how someone was murdered because he was inconvenient to those in power. For example COINTELPRO as I posted. How was the FBI protecting the nation then?
@intelligencegroup and there are other who discredit discussions by taking the most extreme position in favor. Like, hundreds of thousands killed in accidents by the us government? No one believes that. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: Chabacano on April 21, 2015, 08:00:11 AM Yes, he can, but no one will know that was him who killed someone.
Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: p.nusia on April 21, 2015, 09:54:37 AM maybe yes, but I think that no one will let on regarding this fact
Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: MiningAtlas on April 21, 2015, 01:24:23 PM By Judge Andrew Napolitano Can the president kill you? The short answer is: Yes, but not legally. Yet, President Obama has established a secret process that involves officials from the Departments of Justice and Defense, the CIA, and the White House senior staff whereby candidates are proposed for execution, and the collective wisdom of the officials then recommends execution to the president, who then accepts or rejects the recommendation. If the recommendation is to kill and the president rejects the recommendation, the CIA is directed to arrest the person. If the president accepts the recommendation to kill, then death is ordered. This is not unlike the procedure used in the reign of the monstrous British King Henry VIII, except that the king himself delegated the final say to his chancellor so that he could publicly disavow participation in the government murders. Obama does not disavow them; he defends them. But the Constitution he swore to uphold makes clear that whenever the government wants the life, liberty or property of anyone, it must follow due process. Stated differently, it must either sue the person for his property or prosecute him for his life or liberty, and the law that forms the basis for the lawsuit or the prosecution must have existed before the person did whatever the government says he did that resulted in its pursuit of him. The whole reason for the requirement of due process was to prevent what Henry VIII did and Obama is doing from ever happening here. It is happening here. ... More...https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-imperial-whim-of-death/) Elites can kill better than the gov, the gov just provides cover up. Title: Re: Can the President Kill Americans? Post by: jaysabi on April 21, 2015, 04:33:45 PM There are things that you and I don't know but governments do. Not talking any sides, not saying that killing innocent* people is justified but sometimes Nations are required to take actions which are necessary to keep others safe. The point of due process is that there are some actions governments are never justified in taking. When we say life and liberty are absolute rights, not granted by the government so therefore they cannot be taken by governments, those things are intended literally. That means governments never have the authority to take those rights without due process, and if the government takes an action that results in an accidental death, due process was not served. |