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Title: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: lihuajkl on April 20, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
Thousands of migrants every year try to go to Europe for a better life!They have to go through harrowing journeys. The ships for the transportation carry more migrants than they should have.  The safety and living condition are the biggest concern. Many of them dies in the Mediterranean before reaching to Europe! Does going to Europe worth their lives?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7067756


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: criptix on April 20, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Right now it is not clear how much people actually died.
i heard numbers ranging from 400 to even 900 humans that were on the "ship" on german news.

Nevertheless it is a disgraceful day for europe and her fundamental values like humaneness, freedom and democracy.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: saddampbuh on April 20, 2015, 12:35:47 PM
europe is being overwhelmed by third world savages we need to be sinking more of these ships not "rescuing" them


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: criptix on April 20, 2015, 01:09:45 PM
europe is being overwhelmed by third world savages we need to be sinking more of these ships not "rescuing" them

We should switch people like you with these "savages" (and sink you); europe would be a much better place.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Snail2 on April 20, 2015, 01:21:42 PM
europe is being overwhelmed by third world savages we need to be sinking more of these ships not "rescuing" them

Sinking those boats would be a bit too rough. The European welfare system is overhelmed because of we are giving away money, accomodation, food  without asking for anything in return. Changing this practice to a more strict one (“He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”) would resolve most of the issues.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Snail2 on April 20, 2015, 01:23:23 PM
europe is being overwhelmed by third world savages we need to be sinking more of these ships not "rescuing" them

We should switch people like you with these "savages" (and sink you); europe would be a much better place.

Actually this is what "our" politicians are already doing. I didn't noticed any improvements :).


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: saddampbuh on April 20, 2015, 01:53:11 PM
Sinking those boats would be a bit too rough. The European welfare system is overhelmed because of we are giving away money, accomodation, food  without asking for anything in return. Changing this practice to a more strict one (“He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”) would resolve most of the issues.
surely the most important issue is that these invaders are reducing europeans to minorities in our own lands, not whether or not the invaders can find jobs while they do it

denying them housing and welfare wont stop them coming because anything they can get here even begging in the street is going to be better than starving to death or being killed in whatever civil war ridden hellhole they've come from


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: criptix on April 20, 2015, 02:13:11 PM
europe is being overwhelmed by third world savages we need to be sinking more of these ships not "rescuing" them

We should switch people like you with these "savages" (and sink you); europe would be a much better place.

Actually this is what "our" politicians are already doing. I didn't noticed any improvements :).

Sinking those boats would be a bit too rough. The European welfare system is overhelmed because of we are giving away money, accomodation, food  without asking for anything in return. Changing this practice to a more strict one (“He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”) would resolve most of the issues.
surely the most important issue is that these invaders are reducing europeans to minorities in our own lands, not whether or not the invaders can find jobs while they do it

denying them housing and welfare wont stop them coming because anything they can get here even begging in the street is going to be better than starving to death or being killed in whatever civil war ridden hellhole they've come from

Not sure if sarcasm or idiocy...


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Kevinrasf on April 20, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
Sinking those boats would be a bit too rough. The European welfare system is overhelmed because of we are giving away money, accomodation, food  without asking for anything in return. Changing this practice to a more strict one (“He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”) would resolve most of the issues.
surely the most important issue is that these invaders are reducing europeans to minorities in our own lands, not whether or not the invaders can find jobs while they do it

denying them housing and welfare wont stop them coming because anything they can get here even begging in the street is going to be better than starving to death or being killed in whatever civil war ridden hellhole they've come from


Sinking them on purpose would be a bit to extreme.

But I must agree we have to deny these people from coming here, stealing ur welfares, causing criminal activites and who knows some IS folks are between them.

Sorry to say it but EU has enough immigrants especially here in The Netherlands, where it also is a big thing at the moment.


We have to take care of our own people for a change instead of all the immigrants.


Take an example of japan they took in a whopping 10 immigrants this year.



Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: BitMos on April 20, 2015, 02:31:42 PM
you don't want to speak about it realistically... those children for those mothers have the same relation has us with our miners... as long as there is hope "they love them" (hope to bring cash from the civilized world), if not they make a new one...  and you all know what we do when our miners don't have hope left in them... (to use the black messiah rhetoric).


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: saddampbuh on April 20, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
Not sure if sarcasm or idiocy...
there exist on this earth some mentally diseased liberals whose brains can't contain the idea that not every white person is a self hating pussy pile of filth like them and wants to flood their own country with third world barbarians for the privilege of watching their grandkids be born with black skin

Sinking them on purpose would be a bit to extreme.
what's extreme in a war for our own survival? sinking a couple of ships to stop thousands more coming and causing us endless problems?

i know the dutch, there's some morrocan brothers i've known for years since runescape days who come on my teamspeak and laugh about what idiots the dutch government are for putting up with their people. one of them owns some btc, i should get him to make an account and post here. for me the turkish animals in netherands who befriend underage girls then lure them to drugs and prostitution getting them raped by 20 other turkish animals in a day is extreme. the morrocan "youths" who murdered that referee last year and got a couple of years in holiday camp is extreme. and the ones who riot every year seeing who can burn down the most cars like they do in france. and this shit that goes on in mine and every western european country




nobody invited these subhumans into our countries to take our social welfare, housing , free healthcare and free everything they can get their hands on, literally breeding us into minorities with their third world birthrates and then still stab us in the back by mugging our pensioners and raping our girls

when enough europeans come to terms with the reality that our continued existence on this planet must override their squeamishness and trump the human rights of somalians and sudanese to live in our countries, that's when the situation will change. things just need to get a bit worse before the tipping point is reached and people say enough is enough. its time to drive the enemy out.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: criptix on April 20, 2015, 06:20:32 PM
Stop using drugs you idiot - seems your brain already got eaten away.

Argumenting with strawhat arguments all day long.

and btw. The pedophiles who run the show in england arent some fucked muslims, but the people of the british MP.
yes the people you drug heads are voting for are organising and gang raping your childrens.


Saddampbuh, the enlightened british morrocan x)


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: BitMos on April 20, 2015, 07:23:24 PM
Not sure if sarcasm or idiocy...
there exist on this earth some mentally diseased liberals whose brains can't contain the idea that not every white person is a self hating pussy pile of filth like them and wants to flood their own country with third world barbarians for the privilege of watching their grandkids be born with black skin

Sinking them on purpose would be a bit to extreme.
what's extreme in a war for our own survival? sinking a couple of ships to stop thousands more coming and causing us endless problems?

i know the dutch, there's some morrocan brothers i've known for years since runescape days who come on my teamspeak and laugh about what idiots the dutch government are for putting up with their people. one of them owns some btc, i should get him to make an account and post here. for me the turkish animals in netherands who befriend underage girls then lure them to drugs and prostitution getting them raped by 20 other turkish animals in a day is extreme. the morrocan "youths" who murdered that referee last year and got a couple of years in holiday camp is extreme. and the ones who riot every year seeing who can burn down the most cars like they do in france. and this shit that goes on in mine and every western european country




nobody invited these subhumans into our countries to take our social welfare, housing , free healthcare and free everything they can get their hands on, literally breeding us into minorities with their third world birthrates and then still stab us in the back by mugging our pensioners and raping our girls

when enough europeans come to terms with the reality that our continued existence on this planet must override their squeamishness and trump the human rights of somalians and sudanese to live in our countries, that's when the situation will change. things just need to get a bit worse before the tipping point is reached and people say enough is enough. its time to drive the enemy out.

for the aim of getting girls it's important for the Silvio, dsk, Clinton and Epstein and others to 1 st and formost destroy the family unit (thus their combat on organized religion that preach family unity, support, kindness, tolerance and foremost defense...). So yes they are pr firms, media consultants, even own their own tv chanel to spread their program (backed by science research)... who care I think their number will hashed on a sha2 (it makes bigger and nicer tattoo, easier for scanning, and necessary for large volumes).

then those guys believes that if you fall in love with one of their sisters, cousin or what ever you are fucking terrorist that deserve instant death for having share the same feeling as the woman in question. However concerning native girl from anywhere (including often their own "sisters of faith") they consider them as pigs (totally true for ALL western born women), as such a pig can be raped... that's how they think... of course the low life, scumshit, weak and coward will give those subhuman all the excuses in the world and even focus on them, while letting like the others ass said the Epstein, Clinton, slivio, dsk and co roam (almost) free.

What does supporting and financing, legalizing the internal destruction of the west will have to face a form of justice they absolutely deny... but reality denial has never helped on a bf, specially the rawest, made for Sino-Russian, not for pussies, dreamin about unicorn flying over rainbow in honeymoney in SA... idiots, low lives, we can't come down with you... alone will go, with the machine. (thx by the way, to process humanly would have been too traumatizing).

it's the game.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: leopard2 on April 20, 2015, 08:16:38 PM
the problem is not that they drown but that they are rescued

that leads to even more human trafficking

Australia shows how to do it the right way.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/angus-campbell-stars-in-videos-warning-asylum-seekers-not-to-travel-by-boat

“If you travel by boat without a visa you will not make Australia home,” Campbell says. “The rules apply to everyone: families, children, unaccompanied children, educated and skilled. There are no exceptions. Do not believe the lies of people smugglers. These people will steal your money and place your life and the life your family at risk for nothing.”

But EU politicians are useless and incompetent and so are EU voters. SELF_DESTRUCT = TRUE >:(

Asylum laws are extremely unfair and totally against libertarian principles. It should be privatized entirely. Those who want a refugee, can adopt one and have to pay for him or her (including criminal activity, if any). The left wings can then put their money where their mouth is.

(i recognize that the world is a horrible place and feel sorry for those people ... but importing them will only make our country horrible too, and not solve the issue)  :'(


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: BitMos on April 20, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Are the Australians evils, I can't keep track with all those imaginary enemies... of course look outside meanwhile they rape... so old, so used, so pathetic that most fall on it... but who cares, war solves a lot...


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: sana54210 on April 20, 2015, 08:24:39 PM
Thousands of migrants every year try to go to Europe for a better life!They have to go through harrowing journeys. The ships for the transportation carry more migrants than they should have.  The safety and living condition are the biggest concern. Many of them dies in the Mediterranean before reaching to Europe! Does going to Europe worth their lives?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7067756

This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: leopard2 on April 20, 2015, 08:27:10 PM
Thousands of migrants every year try to go to Europe for a better life!They have to go through harrowing journeys. The ships for the transportation carry more migrants than they should have.  The safety and living condition are the biggest concern. Many of them dies in the Mediterranean before reaching to Europe! Does going to Europe worth their lives?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7067756

This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Australia solves the issue by dragging the illegal vessels back into intl. waters so it is no longer an Australian problem.

And adds: “It is the policy and practice of the Australian government to intercept any vessel that is seeking to illegally enter Australia and safely remove it beyond our waters.”


http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/17/asylum-seekers-to-vietnam

it is sickening but the only way for Australia to survive. EU = suicidal.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: sana54210 on April 20, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Thousands of migrants every year try to go to Europe for a better life!They have to go through harrowing journeys. The ships for the transportation carry more migrants than they should have.  The safety and living condition are the biggest concern. Many of them dies in the Mediterranean before reaching to Europe! Does going to Europe worth their lives?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7067756

This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Australia solves the issue by dragging the illegal vessels back into intl. waters so it is no longer an Australian problem.

And adds: “It is the policy and practice of the Australian government to intercept any vessel that is seeking to illegally enter Australia and safely remove it beyond our waters.”


http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/17/asylum-seekers-to-vietnam

it is sickening but the only way for Australia to survive. EU = suicidal.
Yeah true, it is a sad truth and is a Lose - Lose situation for both the migrants and the governments.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Snail2 on April 20, 2015, 10:25:20 PM
This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Yes, these boats/ships should be intercepted, return ppl on board to their country and then bring the empty ship to the next scrapyard.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Vod on April 20, 2015, 10:44:35 PM
Yeah true, it is a sad truth and is a Loose - Loose situation for both the migrants and the governments.

Lose - lose.  :)

"Loose" is the opposite of "Tight"

(Very unfortunate what happened to those people.  They are very desperate over there.)


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: H.W.Z on April 21, 2015, 04:51:17 AM
Thousands of migrants every year try to go to Europe for a better life!They have to go through harrowing journeys. The ships for the transportation carry more migrants than they should have.  The safety and living condition are the biggest concern. Many of them dies in the Mediterranean before reaching to Europe! Does going to Europe worth their lives?
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7067756

This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.
Libya is under civil war. After the fighting started, black people – became very vulnerable, because all the youth had weapons and they could rob ppl's house. If ppl went out for something to eat, a gang would stop you and ask if you supported them. They might be rebels, they might be government, we didn’t know. That is the reason why ppl are desperate  for new life in somewhere else in Europe.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/lampedusa-refugee-fleeing-libya-boats-italy


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Shrikez on April 21, 2015, 08:19:21 AM
Look up to your masters to see your true enemies, not down on your desperate brothers.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 21, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Yes, these boats/ships should be intercepted, return ppl on board to their country and then bring the empty ship to the next scrapyard.

Unfortunately, this is the best solution available right now. If these "refugees" are granted asylum, then another half-a-million more will sail from Libya and many tens of thousands will lose their lives. Illegal immigration should never be encouraged. Only traffickers gain from such boat crossings.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: pattu1 on April 21, 2015, 04:20:51 PM
This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Yes, these boats/ships should be intercepted, return ppl on board to their country and then bring the empty ship to the next scrapyard.

Even if the boats make it to shore, people should be returned to their country.
That will act as a deterrent.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Miracal on April 22, 2015, 05:20:34 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/dead-libyan-migrants-boat-italian-police-interviewing
Severe humantarian and migrant crisis. The illegal traffickers can do whatever they are able to transport more ppl to Europe and earn more money!


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Snail2 on April 22, 2015, 08:22:00 AM
This is very sad, they should have stricter regulations to monitor and stop this that it may not happen again in the future. These things could have been already prevented had the governments stepped up their monitoring effort.

Yes, these boats/ships should be intercepted, return ppl on board to their country and then bring the empty ship to the next scrapyard.

Even if the boats make it to shore, people should be returned to their country.
That will act as a deterrent.

That's right. It's just easier to catch them in one go while on board, then chasing them in Sicily or between the Laconian mountains in Greece.

However in the second case we could say something like "This is Sparta!", and indeed that would be literally Sparta :).


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: umair01 on April 22, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
This is very bad, the coast guards should return them back to their respective governments instead of dragging them right back into the ocean where they might run out of fuel or food and die on the way. There must be some stricter measure to monitor and take care of this issue as many people are dying time after time.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
This is very bad, the coast guards should return them back to their respective governments instead of dragging them right back into the ocean where they might run out of fuel or food and die on the way. There must be some stricter measure to monitor and take care of this issue as many people are dying time after time.

It is not that simple. Most of these migrants are from distant nations such as Ghana, Nigeria and Liberia. Once they get to Libya, they will destroy their passports and other identification documents. This is done to prevent deportation to their home nations. Now the only option is to send them back to Libya. Before the NATO invasion of Libya, that was being done, at a limited level. But after the NATO invasion, this option is not available anymore.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: Snail2 on April 22, 2015, 03:52:39 PM
It is not that simple. Most of these migrants are from distant nations such as Ghana, Nigeria and Liberia. Once they get to Libya, they will destroy their passports and other identification documents. This is done to prevent deportation to their home nations. Now the only option is to send them back to Libya. Before the NATO invasion of Libya, that was being done, at a limited level. But after the NATO invasion, this option is not available anymore.

That makes things difficult indeed. Perhaps using the Australian model could be useful.


Title: Re: 400 Europe Migrant Drowned Fleeing Libya When Boat Capsizes
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2015, 04:00:26 PM
That makes things difficult indeed. Perhaps using the Australian model could be useful.

I don't think that suggestion is practical as well. Australia can detain / deport the migrants as per their wish, and can transfer them to countries such as Nauru and PNG, which depends upon Australia for funds. On the other hand, the European Union laws make it extremely tough for nations such as Italy, to introduce such a measure.