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TAMPA -- Most people who've spent afternoons walking in crowded cities know what the sign means. FREE STRESS TEST? Here there be Scientologists. The church founded by L. Ron Hubbard took up decent real estate at the P.A.U.L. Festival, an unsanctioned tribute to presidential candidate Ron Paul. Walk past the booth for a new alternative currency in Breckenridge, Colorado (the "Mile High Hour," or "Rado") and you'd see many copies of Dianetics and four e-meters, manned by church members, checking Ron Paul supporters for thetans.

You might be pretty open-minded, but I thought just about everyone else hated those Scientology weirdos. Especially Tom Cruise.

Besides, I thought Ron Paul was pimping his son out to the Romney flock? What's he up to?

I never understood what makes Scientology any worse of a cult than the others.

I never understood what makes Scientology any worse of a cult than the others.

It's amazingly shameful so many follow someone like Ron Paul who supports legalizing drugs which are nothing but poison that rob the mind of any clarity.

If you think you need the federal government to stop you from your desire to eat poison, clearly your mind has lost all clarity already.  I'm sorry to hear you have such little faith in yourself and your own mind, however we can't let feeble minded people like you lead us further into a corrupt prison state, that's why we the people say NO to prohibition.  Ask your parents or perhaps your friends or church to lock you up if that's really what you need, I would rather let you be free to pursue your own religion and accept the consequences of your own actions.  If you are really that out of control you want a cop to watch you in case you go under the kitchen sink for some drano, please I do hope you have help with you at all times.     

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/08/26/ron_paul_and_scientology_religion_shows_up_in_force_at_convention.html


This is pretty great.  Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of differences between the two groups.  It's amazingly shameful so many follow someone like Ron Paul who supports legalizing drugs which are nothing but poison that rob the mind of any clarity.  However, I think the article is correct to point out how free thinking Paul's followers can be.  If they can abandon the two party system and think unconventionally, why not consider an unconventional spiritual group with a lot to offer?  I've posted leftist views a lot on Bitcointalk and while I haven't found many converts yet, I have always felt welcomed and felt that my ideas were being taken seriously and thought about, which is always the first step towards conversion.

I think it's great that new free thinking ideas about the economy like Bitcoin can be presented right next to less conventional views on religion.  It's almost like an an ancient Greek forum where all manner of thought and philosophy is being worked out for the betterment of everyone.

Actually the hatred towards scientology, a vile manipulative cult with no legitimacy in any sense of the word is pretty much world wide and a standard for any person with an IQ in double digits. Scientologists are the lowest form of extortionists, kidnappers and thugs imaginable. Ship 'em all to Jonestown.

This thread isn't about drugs folks, it was simply an example of the contrast between these two groups, one is against people poisoning minds with drugs and one group encourages it.  I have never used drugs in my life and don't need government help with that, unfortunately addiction is a real disease and some people do need such help.  If you aren't an addict, you shouldn't have any trouble giving up drugs for the sake of public health.  There are plenty of other ways to have fun that don't result in the death of your fellow citizens.  That is the last I will say on the drug issue here, you are free to your own point of view but I would prefer if this topic was not derailed by trolls so obsessed with their drug use they have to reference it in their user names.  You really do need help 420 and I hope you get it someday.

This thread isn't about ponies folks, it was simply an example of the contrast between these two groups, one is against people poisoning minds with ponies and one group encourages it.  I have never used ponies in my life and don't need government help with that, unfortunately addiction is a real disease and some people do need such help.  If you aren't an addict, you shouldn't have any trouble giving up ponies for the sake of public health.  There are plenty of other ways to have fun that don't result in the death of your fellow citizens.  That is the last I will say on the pony issue here, you are free to your own point of view but I would prefer if this topic was not derailed by trolls so obsessed with their pony use they have to reference it in their user names.  You really do need help Rarity and I hope you get it someday.

The booth was busy, filled with Paul supporters getting their thetans checked by Tampa-based Scientologists with e-meters. Copies of "Dianetics" in English and Spanish were laid out around the booth; Darius said sales were strong and the books cost $20 each.

This thread isn't about drugs folks, it was simply an example of the contrast between these two groups, one is against people poisoning minds with drugs and one group encourages it.  I have never used drugs in my life and don't need government help with that, unfortunately addiction is a real disease and some people do need such help.  If you aren't an addict, you shouldn't have any trouble giving up drugs for the sake of public health.  There are plenty of other ways to have fun that don't result in the death of your fellow citizens.  That is the last I will say on the drug issue here, you are free to your own point of view but I would prefer if this topic was not derailed by trolls so obsessed with their drug use they have to reference it in their user names.  You really do need help 420 and I hope you get it someday.


As I said, religious bigotry of this kind is all too common against non-Christian religions.  It's a shame people can't grow up and move on from the dark ages where any difference in spiritual views meant people must be demonized and attacked.

Its a cult not a religion.

Here is another article.  It looks like the Scientology booth was a big success and they found the Paul folks very receptive to their message.  


http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/scientologists-find-success-at-paul-festival

Pretty sweet orange ignore button you got there, rarity.  Puts you right up there with matthew Wright, bitlane, phinneaus, and all the other forum superstars....you are in great company, keep shining on you crazy diamond.

To be on topic, scientologists suck, and I cant take Paul seriously, sooo...Good for them?

What makes you say that?  It sounds like simple intolerance to me.

how many ignores does that take?

Scientology is in favor of order. It is further in favor of true third dynamics – groups which internally are co-reliant on each other and wherein the members support each others survival.

Libertarianism is individualistic and very “me first” or “only one.” It is also somewhat anarchic. Scientology, being in favor of order, is not in favor of anarchy or everyone for themselves. That said, I have known at least one Scientologist who ran for public office – as a Libertarian.

Where a sane state removes self-determinism, it is in those areas where allowing free rein is harmful. The concept behind not letting people smoke in restaurants is that second-hand smoke kills. Killing is, and should be, unlawful.

Libertarianism has no problem with the hyper-capitalist behaviors that brought the current crisis. Core to libertarian market beliefs is “caveat emptor” – let the buyer beware. A fully libertarian view would be that the economy should have been allowed to crater and people who can’t afford their notes should be put from their homes. Let not only the bad actors, but EVERYONE suffer the consequences of fraud, because “that’s life.” Then try and jail everyone you could find guilty of a crime in the mix, and government has done all it had a duty to do. This is not true third dynamic behavior. It is individualism at the expense of the greater good.

So as I understand Scientology and Libertarianism I do not see them as entirely compatible.

I know a number of Scientologists who disagree with me on this score. But in this instance, I think I have a more thorough understanding of the overarching principles at work than they do.

Looking more into this subject, I found what appears to be a Libertarian perspective that basically comes to the same conclusion I do.  There are some reasons the two groups could end up crossing over a bit but they are ultimately incompatible beliefs because Libertarians are unwilling to look out for their fellow man.

http://libertarianviewpoint.com/blog/?p=2952


Of course, that the Church had such success with their booth suggests that maybe Libertarians can listen to reason and back away from those views if you give them a convincing enough argument.  That is where the free thinking comes into play.  Be it political or spiritual matters, it's best not to put all your trust in mainstream corporate media and instead to make your own decisions. That is the way you can find the institutions that are truly worthy of your trust.  

Me = Libertarian

Unwilling to look out for fellow man?

I asked completed strangers if they needed help because they were sitting on a building stoop and looked possibly homeless or hippie-ish

I gave $20 to a complete stranger after i asked him what was wrong with his car when his hood was up

I've taken hitchhikers, male and female, for free

I've offered and given ridesharing

That's nice and all but you are supporting a political philosophy that ensures homeless people will remain systemically in need of help instead of provided for and given treatment to get into an institution to help them make something of themselves.

an unconventional spiritual group

I can't speak on Scientology as I am not researched.

But Libertarians believe men being able to open businesses and organizations (hint hint, charitable organizations?) freely, and keep the fruit of their labor
are much better off, more motivated to work for themself and in the end feel more compassion for each other man as each other man did not just vote to steal items away to be distributed unefficiently by beaurocrats, each $1 in salary to government workers or beaurocrats is a dollar that should have gone to someone in need at the least.

There's nothing spiritual about $cientology.

Yes, I'm intolerant, so save your breath. I'm intolerant of stupid people that will believe damn near anything.

Government is the only solution to cause of systemic homelessness.

Charitable organizations have failed to provide for everyone even in the richest nation on Earth.  Obviously, they aren't the solution to the systemic problem.  But hey, you should try and explain how efficient the situation is to the next homeless vet you see freezing on a park bench in the Chicago or New York winter.  Explain why it is so important that he freezes so Mitt Romney doesn't have to have the fruits of his "labor" taxed even though he was born wealthier than 99% of the billions of people on planet Earth.

Government is the only solution to systemic homelessness.  If you turn away from the only actual solution, don't expect me to pat you on the back for individual acts of kindness while you condemn  all the rest to their fate.


The beliefs of Scientology are no more or less strange than any other religion.  If you carry your bigotry over to all religions and the vast majority of the population of Earth that is fine, but the sign of a shallow and unengaged philosophy. 

Fixed.

The beliefs of Scientology are no more or less strange than any other religion.  If you carry your bigotry over to all religions and the vast majority of the population of Earth that is fine, but the sign of a shallow, immature, and unengaged philosophy.  

Well as our standard of living shot up quick, shortly thereafter came government regulations and more departments, more spending.

You have no systematic solution to the problem. It's easy to denounce libertarianism, much harder to develop an argument that people believe to support it.

Fact #1: Scientology is NOT a religion. It is a cult devoted to brainwashing the weak, sucking them dry of every relationship, every crumb of value and every shred of dignity and to force them to become addicted to the cult. That is NOT a religion, that is criminal. It is a massive fraud put together by a third rate science fiction writer with delusions of god-hood, who figured since he couldn't hack the real world, he would just move into his own fantasy one, and sucker others into funding it. Thetans and going clear is the typical bullshit crafted to justify their line of folly. It's a cult, as evil and as sociopathic as The People Temple.

Fact #2: It is not bigotry to disagree with the dogma of a cult. It is simply a difference of opinion. I think that all Scientologists are wicked small people with an agenda that involves ritualistic rape, extortion, kidnapping, pedophilia, and tax fraud. No Scientologist can prove that isn't true.