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Title: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: lontivero on April 28, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Few minutes ago I had a meeting to explain the blockchain to some middle management of the company that I work for. They wanted to understand what the company can offer to a NY bank because the bank has a budget item to invest "in blockchain", whatever that means.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Lauda on April 28, 2015, 03:11:52 PM
Well this isn't something new. We've seen interest in the blockchain technology (not Bitcoin's blockchain) from various companies.
I'm assuming they're going to make something based on the technology.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: CryptoPanda on April 28, 2015, 03:48:07 PM
Damn, we are still so early in this.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 28, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
of course. just an example.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/03/07/major-banks-are-looking-at-bitcoin/

http://recode.net/2015/01/20/bitcoin-firm-coinbase-raises-75-million-from-dfj-the-nyse-and-two-banks/


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: randy8777 on April 28, 2015, 09:31:26 PM
it's quite a miracle that such thing as the blockchain is never ever mentioned before satoshi. i think within 10 years there will be a bank really using it.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: lontivero on April 28, 2015, 11:50:33 PM
Well this isn't something new. We've seen interest in the blockchain technology (not Bitcoin's blockchain) from various companies.
I'm assuming they're going to make something based on the technology.

Yes, exactly. However I think it doesn't make any sense. IMO the blockchain is a secondary product of bitcoin. How can we have a blockchain with no bitcoins?


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Carlton Banks on April 29, 2015, 12:39:45 AM
lol banks and governments have 0% interest in a record keeping system that makes a virtue out of 100% accountability. Come on, now.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: pitham1 on April 29, 2015, 01:11:11 AM
Few minutes ago I had a meeting to explain the blockchain to some middle management of the company that I work for. They wanted to understand what the company can offer to a NY bank because the bank has a budget item to invest "in blockchain", whatever that means.

They are a little bit late in all this.

News from 2013.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/12/bitcoin

THERE is some interesting news from JPMorgan Chase today: the bank has filed for a patent for an online payment system that sounds rather like Bitcoin, the decentralised “cryptocurrency” currently still in the throes of an awesome speculative bubble.
What they propose is a means of making anonymous payments “without provision of an account number or name from the payer”, where the “money” is stored on the payee’s computer memory and transactions are verified through a shared log. That sounds an awful lot like Bitcoin’s blockchain—a log, now several gigabytes large, which records every transaction ever made in Bitcoin and so ensures that only one person can hold a particular subunit of the currency at any one time.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: lontivero on April 29, 2015, 03:04:28 AM
Few minutes ago I had a meeting to explain the blockchain to some middle management of the company that I work for. They wanted to understand what the company can offer to a NY bank because the bank has a budget item to invest "in blockchain", whatever that means.

They are a little bit late in all this.

News from 2013.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/12/bitcoin

THERE is some interesting news from JPMorgan Chase today: the bank has filed for a patent for an online payment system that sounds rather like Bitcoin, the decentralised “cryptocurrency” currently still in the throes of an awesome speculative bubble.
What they propose is a means of making anonymous payments “without provision of an account number or name from the payer”, where the “money” is stored on the payee’s computer memory and transactions are verified through a shared log. That sounds an awful lot like Bitcoin’s blockchain—a log, now several gigabytes large, which records every transaction ever made in Bitcoin and so ensures that only one person can hold a particular subunit of the currency at any one time.


The patent looks like an user manual for an existing software. I cannot see anything similar to bitcoin there. Moreover, if JP Morgan fills a patent for cryptocurrencies, I can fill one for wheels.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Chef Ramsay on April 29, 2015, 03:39:57 AM
lol banks and governments have 0% interest in a record keeping system that makes a virtue out of 100% accountability. Come on, now.
Interesting, but where the hell have you been lately u shrew? When the brilliant go to bed, the rest get stupid.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: KimNam on April 29, 2015, 04:12:17 AM
Bank is centralized system, meanwhile Bitcoin is decentralized system.
two different poles are can't be combined. Maybe they just want bitcoin technology implemented on their centralized system, and that is blockchain.
But I think those two things are contradicted too :)
Bank want to keep their customer's transaction history privately meanwhile blockchain is public

Well this isn't something new. We've seen interest in the blockchain technology (not Bitcoin's blockchain) from various companies.
I'm assuming they're going to make something based on the technology.

Yes, exactly. However I think it doesn't make any sense. IMO the blockchain is a secondary product of bitcoin. How can we have a blockchain with no bitcoins?
yes we can, Blockchain for altcoin :P (No bitcoin there)


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Kprawn on April 29, 2015, 06:18:56 AM
Well some banks are looking into alternative methods to have more secure ways of doing ecommerce. eg. {  http://www.zapsonline.com/content/6-payments }

So they not sitting back, and waiting for Bitcoin to disrupt it... They also incorporate instant payment, linked to QR Code scanning, albeit on a small scale. {I think it's called, SnapPay or SnapCash...}


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: crazyivan on April 29, 2015, 06:34:37 AM
That is exactly what we need. Once Wall Street gets in, the price will go up again. Soon, I hope soon.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Amph on April 29, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Well some banks are looking into alternative methods to have more secure ways of doing ecommerce. eg. {  http://www.zapsonline.com/content/6-payments }

So they not sitting back, and waiting for Bitcoin to disrupt it... They also incorporate instant payment, linked to QR Code scanning, albeit on a small scale. {I think it's called, SnapPay or SnapCash...}

something like this could impact more the btc price in a positive way, because when the rumors of banks working on a blockchain will become true and you will see a real development project about that, many will approach more to the world of bitcoin

so this is actually a good news, at least for the time being


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: amiryaqot on April 29, 2015, 07:32:14 AM
Well some banks are looking into alternative methods to have more secure ways of doing ecommerce. eg. {  http://www.zapsonline.com/content/6-payments }

So they not sitting back, and waiting for Bitcoin to disrupt it... They also incorporate instant payment, linked to QR Code scanning, albeit on a small scale. {I think it's called, SnapPay or SnapCash...}

something like this could impact more the btc price in a positive way, because when the rumors of banks working on a blockchain will become true and you will see a real development project about that, many will approach more to the world of bitcoin

so this is actually a good news, at least for the time being


yes that would be revolutionary change for Bitcoin and will change the way of thinking many people about it, it will build the trust of many investors into the Bitcoin, Bitcoin will go to the mainstream as the premier currency using blockchain technology.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: hasiramasenju on April 29, 2015, 07:40:41 AM
seems good and i hope This news not only just a discourse and will become a reality some day...


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: p2pbucks on April 29, 2015, 08:17:17 AM
honestly they are just pretending to show their interest on blockchain new tech , but in fact they just don't want to use bitcoin .
Looking for new blockchain tech only makes them looked like asshole


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: bitbaby on April 29, 2015, 08:30:58 AM
They're probably interested in it because they see how easy it is to send money anywhere in the world for low cost and once they understand it they'll probably start a centralized virtual currency.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: lontivero on April 29, 2015, 01:13:11 PM
Bank is centralized system, meanwhile Bitcoin is decentralized system.
two different poles are can't be combined. Maybe they just want bitcoin technology implemented on their centralized system, and that is blockchain.
But I think those two things are contradicted too :)
Bank want to keep their customer's transaction history privately meanwhile blockchain is public

Well this isn't something new. We've seen interest in the blockchain technology (not Bitcoin's blockchain) from various companies.
I'm assuming they're going to make something based on the technology.

Yes, exactly. However I think it doesn't make any sense. IMO the blockchain is a secondary product of bitcoin. How can we have a blockchain with no bitcoins?
yes we can, Blockchain for altcoin :P (No bitcoin there)

I think that when they say "blockchain (technology)" what they really want to do is incorporate some lessons learnt from bitcoin. This is, create an alternative for credit card, a better payment system where no sensible information needs to be shared with merchants and no authentication/authorization nor encryption is required.

Of course they don't need a decentralized, very open and trustless network. A system with no miners, no rewards, no huge computational power required to enforce the security. Basically, a centralized system with cryptographic goodnesses.



Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Bitcoin Explorer on April 29, 2015, 01:37:10 PM
of course. just an example.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2014/03/07/major-banks-are-looking-at-bitcoin/

http://recode.net/2015/01/20/bitcoin-firm-coinbase-raises-75-million-from-dfj-the-nyse-and-two-banks/
The second link is quite informative, NYSE and BBVA interested means they really have confidence in Bitcoin' potential


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: NUFCrichard on April 29, 2015, 01:55:14 PM
Really it seems that banks and wall street are interested in reducing their paperwork, so they would like to switch things to a blockchain, that is to be expected as it is much more efficient.
What is not so clear is how they will protect these blockchains, the main selling point of Bitcoins blockchain is that is is very strong, but it will be too bloated if everyone just hops on the bitcoin blockchain...

I expect the next move to be payment processors looking at Bitcoin to simplify and cheapen their businesses.  It's slow, but gradually people are realising that the technology is very worthwhile.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: bronan on April 29, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
As i saw earlier and already stated several times, banks and large companies do not want to get involved in bitcoin at all.
They are looking into the blockchain tech behind it, which they will try to incorporate into their systems.
This blockchain has absolutely nothing todo with any crypto coin out in the wild.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: Snorek on April 29, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
Few minutes ago I had a meeting to explain the blockchain to some middle management of the company that I work for. They wanted to understand what the company can offer to a NY bank because the bank has a budget item to invest "in blockchain", whatever that means.
Not so long time ago there were news that IBM will cooperate with Federal Reserve Bank to investigate and develop their own version of blockchain. I think this is just aftermath of this news, now every bank will want to study and develop something similar. Just because if IMB and FRB has it then everyone else think it will be future of Financial System.


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 29, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
Bank lobby group:

https://www.iif.com/publication/html-publication/internet-finance-unleashing-potential-blockchain-technology


Title: Re: NY Bank interested in blockchain.
Post by: manselr on April 29, 2015, 03:07:01 PM
Few minutes ago I had a meeting to explain the blockchain to some middle management of the company that I work for. They wanted to understand what the company can offer to a NY bank because the bank has a budget item to invest "in blockchain", whatever that means.
What all those idiots seem to still don't get is the fact a blockchain is not going to properly function without an highly active cryptocurrency, which renders using anything that isn't Bitcoin stupid.