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Title: Case vs Trezor Post by: cafucafucafu on May 05, 2015, 02:22:48 AM What are the relative pros and cons?
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: louise123 on May 05, 2015, 08:25:02 AM Personally I can not answer your question as I do not own either of them - actually come to think of it, I don't own any hardware wallets. :P
However, you might find this useful: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899253.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=899253.0) Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 05, 2015, 11:47:24 AM Case is a much more full featured hardware wallet , but is almost twice as expensive. They both have advantages and disadvantages.
Trezor https://www.bitcointrezor.com/ 119 USD No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License Case http://www.choosecase.com/ 1000 units available Pre-order 199.00 USD Source Code: Open Source Firmware - yet to be released What are the benefits of this wallet over the other ones? Combines multisig where Case holds one of the keys as a backup for you but cannot steal your funds and includes fingerprint biometrics and uses its own GSM signal to communicate with the blockchain so you can make payments without internet. http://www.choosecase.com/faq.html Case connects to 183 mobile carriers in 109 countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Bulgaria, Canada, Cayman Islands, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Cote de Ivoire, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominica, Dominican Republic, DR Congo, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Estonia, Faeroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kazakstan, Laos, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, Martinique, Mexico, Montserrat, Namibia, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Sweden, Switzerland, Tanzania, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Turks and Caicos Islands, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela. Warning - Do not use this hardware for money laundering , tax avoidance or illegal activities as they are a US company that does store some data on their users. It is likely they will comply with investigators. Quote How is my fingerprint data stored? We do not store direct images of your fingerprints on our servers. We store a geometric template of the relative locations of unique elements of your fingerprint and this template is used to validate the fingerprint scan. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: ticoti on May 05, 2015, 12:20:14 PM Case is more expensive but more complete,however it combines personal information...
Trezor is more tested, and cheaper(anyway, I think it should be more) I think we still need to see case in the market to see how it works,still just seen the annoucement Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: 687_2 on May 05, 2015, 12:25:34 PM What are the relative pros and cons? Case uses biometrics (plus it doesn't actually exist), so it's out for me. I love my Trezor, it's been very reliable. I'll buy another one as soon as a higher build quality is available. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: yayayo on May 05, 2015, 01:14:33 PM What are the relative pros and cons? Case uses biometrics (plus it doesn't actually exist), so it's out for me. Yes, using biometrics is a no go for me as well. In addition, I really dislike that it's such a security nanny and doesn't give 100% control to the user. In fact the concept does not improve security (you can still obtain fingerprints easily), instead it makes the user dependent on a company, which is a far greater systemic risk than a few users loosing their wallet now and then. I mean, for me it's pretty clear not to carry a wallet with me every day that holds all my funds. A single wallet typically contains only a small portion of money for spending. Therefore it is not essential that a wallet is protected against theft. Also you could have multisig without company involvement (for example provide a 2nd key transmission device that can communicate with the wallet, which the user can leave at another place). Essentially I'd really like to have a simple hardware wallet that is also able to broadcast transactions. But not at the price of providing biometrics, linking my identity to every transaction, and giving away control. So I hope a competitor comes in and makes a better Case. ya.ya.yo! Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Klestin on May 05, 2015, 02:52:01 PM Trezor No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License It is still open source. "Open source" does not guarantee free reign to change/re-use the source. There are many different licenses that fall under the umbrella of "open source". You can download all the source code here: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html (http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html). You can no longer freely re-use the software for other purposes, but you can still fully validate it. The whole point of open sourcing the software and firmware for this device is to allow the community to verify that it's doing what they say it's doing, and to check for weaknesses. The switch to MRSL does nothing to prevent that. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 05, 2015, 03:05:33 PM Trezor No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License It is still open source. "Open source" does not guarantee free reign to change/re-use the source. There are many different licenses that fall under the umbrella of "open source". You can download all the source code here: http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html (http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/resources.html). You can no longer freely re-use the software for other purposes, but you can still fully validate it. The whole point of open sourcing the software and firmware for this device is to allow the community to verify that it's doing what they say it's doing, and to check for weaknesses. The switch to MRSL does nothing to prevent that. I agree we have different definitions of open source and why I cited the exact license they switched to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source Quote In production and development, open source as a development model promotes a universal access via a free license to a product's design or blueprint, and universal redistribution of that design or blueprint, including subsequent improvements to it by anyone Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: fryarminer on May 05, 2015, 03:39:34 PM I like the presentation on Case. I will probably buy one. Something tells me to wait until the bugs are ironed out.
I have a desktop, and mobile devices, not a laptop. So if I have to go home to plug a trezor into my computer in order to use it, it is somewhat useless. That being said there is no way that I would store more than 5% of my Bitcoin on a credit-card sized device in my wallet. But I wouldn't put all my Bitcoin on one Trezor either. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cellard on May 05, 2015, 03:42:19 PM Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason.
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 05, 2015, 03:48:20 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw6kWtehqEQ
What is Case Wallet? An interview with Melanie Shapiro Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Klestin on May 05, 2015, 03:52:47 PM Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason. And this is the exact reason I tried to clarify the difference between "free" and "open source". Reasonable minds can disagree about the definition of "open source", but in absolutely no way is the Trezor system "closed source". You are free to download, review, compile and install the software and firmware for Trezor. It is not closed source. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 05, 2015, 03:58:36 PM Im definitely going for Case. Trezor went closed source... are you kidding me? Never mix anything closed source with crypto related. BTC is open source for ar eason. And this is the exact reason I tried to clarify the difference between "free" and "open source". Reasonable minds can disagree about the definition of "open source", but in absolutely no way is the Trezor system "closed source". You are free to download, review, compile and install the software and firmware for Trezor. It is not closed source. Yes.... it isn't quite open source and not quite closed source either. Concern is with company lock in and the ability for others to decide what features they want to incorporate within the hardware and do there own development. The MRSL is better than being completely closed source as you can independently audit the code but does come with strings attached and is somewhat insulting to the community because Trezor was made possible by a lot of code contributed by others for free. Trezor is still a great device and so is Case... just getting the facts out there with the advantages and disadvantages of each. Exactly and they had to do something, shit companies were stealing their firmwares and selling devices for much cheaper essentially able to kill Trezors ability to sell. Valid concern. But trezor could always command a large percentage of marketshare because of branding, trust, and higher build quality over knockoffs . 120 isn't a lot and most people would be willing to spend 20-40 usd more for an authentic trezor even if they kept it on old license. I understand the tradeoffs , but believe they made the wrong decision ... Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: fryarminer on May 05, 2015, 04:21:30 PM Ok, so I'm looking at this case thing more and I really like it. It's easy Bitcoin use for simple people.
First off, you can load it up with Bitcoin and use it easily, pull it out of your wallet and buy stuff. What the average Joe or Mary on the street needs - the equivalent of a credit card. But then looking deeper into it, why not just use my phone? Well yes you can, except that either the BTC is on your phone or its in a cloud. If it is in a cloud and the company goes down, you're toast. If it's on your phone and you lose your phone, you're toast. Case on the other hand has two out of three pieces necessary to spend your Bitcoin. One piece is the device, one piece is their cloud, and one is a recovery password. So if someone jacks your device or it dies, you do not lose your Bitcoin. There is the option for you yourself to keep the third recovery password so if the company or cloud goes bust you still can restore your Bitcoin. In the end, this is a really sweet device. It answers a question I have had for a while: how can we make Bitcoin easy? A wallet that can automatically reload and you can spend easily is definitely easy. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Cinnob0n on May 06, 2015, 02:22:10 AM Case seems like it has potential but it hasnt even been released yet. For now Trezor all the way :)
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Alley on May 06, 2015, 02:59:09 AM What if case goes under? Are your bitcoins locked since there servers cant verify the transaction?
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: btchip on May 06, 2015, 03:16:08 AM I agree we have different definitions of open source and why I cited the exact license they switched to. Would be great to stop that troll, because they went back to the original license immediately after the change and even documented it on their blog (http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/) Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: coinableS on May 06, 2015, 04:07:13 AM I like the case design better than the trezor. I asked them on their own thread about recovery in case they go offline or disappear and they didn't respond :/
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: neoneros on May 06, 2015, 05:55:28 AM How hard would it be to build your own hardware wallet? Are there some online DIY tutorials?
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: MrDjAK on May 06, 2015, 06:06:53 AM I am using trezor and it is very good
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Amph on May 06, 2015, 06:13:18 AM What are the relative pros and cons? Case uses biometrics (plus it doesn't actually exist), so it's out for me. I love my Trezor, it's been very reliable. I'll buy another one as soon as a higher build quality is available. isn't biometric better, especially if it is eye biometric and not footprints i'm with the Case here, i've always liked biometric eyes more Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Kprawn on May 06, 2015, 06:19:28 AM Well, I am most probably going to be biased. { I only own a Trezor }
I do not trust Bio metrics on any device and I think Open source in this instance, might be a bit risky. On the other hand, nobody has ever given proof, that they lost any coins on a Trezor. I would not dump 1000s of Bitcoins onto it.. but it's cool for daily use. In the end, it comes down to personal choice. ;D Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: fryarminer on May 06, 2015, 12:24:28 PM What if case goes under? Are your bitcoins locked since there servers cant verify the transaction? So it's two of three keys to get your funds. It is a third party company that has the third key, or you can chose, as I will, to keep the third key yourself. If Case goes under it is only one of the three keys, so no problem. Use the other two keys to get your funds. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Klestin on May 06, 2015, 08:23:31 PM I agree we have different definitions of open source and why I cited the exact license they switched to. Would be great to stop that troll, because they went back to the original license immediately after the change and even documented it on their blog (http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/) Thanks! This is indeed a shorter answer than debating the difference between open source and shared source. :D Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 06, 2015, 08:38:22 PM isn't biometric better, especially if it is eye biometric and not footprints i'm with the Case here, i've always liked biometric eyes more Biometrics are convenient which creates a security benefit because you will use a sufficient amount of entropy on your password... but also have severe disadvantages because you end up leaving all your passwords everywhere in public and cannot change it if it gets compromised. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: fryarminer on May 06, 2015, 09:18:20 PM I'm getting excited about Case. I pre-ordered and I can't wait for it to arrive.
In a way, I think it is as safe as cold storage. If any one of the three keys gets compromised and you act immediately to secure your bitcoins using the other two keys, you're safe. On the other hand, it is easier to use than any exchange for purchase and any wallet to spend. So it's a hybrid between secure and hot storage, almost a category on its own. It's pretty exciting! Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on May 06, 2015, 09:19:28 PM Case is a much more full featured hardware wallet , but is almost twice as expensive. They both have advantages and disadvantages. Trezor https://www.bitcointrezor.com/ 119 USD No longer open source as of v1.3.0 and switched to restrictive Microsoft Reference Source License Case http://www.choosecase.com/ 1000 units available Pre-order 199.00 USD Source Code: Open Source Firmware - yet to be released What are the benefits of this wallet over the other ones? Combines multisig where Case holds one of the keys as a backup for you but cannot steal your funds and includes fingerprint biometrics and uses its own GSM signal to communicate with the blockchain so you can make payments without internet. http://www.choosecase.com/faq.html Case connects to 183 mobile carriers in 109 countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belgium, Bermuda, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Bulgaria, Canada, Cayman Islands, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Cote de Ivoire, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominica, Dominican Republic, DR Congo, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Estonia, Faeroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kazakstan, Laos, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, Martinique, Mexico, Montserrat, Namibia, Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Sweden, Switzerland, Tanzania, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Turks and Caicos Islands, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela. Warning - Do not use this hardware for money laundering , tax avoidance or illegal activities as they are a US company that does store some data on their users. It is likely they will comply with investigators. Quote How is my fingerprint data stored? We do not store direct images of your fingerprints on our servers. We store a geometric template of the relative locations of unique elements of your fingerprint and this template is used to validate the fingerprint scan. Hey man thanks for this, very thorough. I've been thinking about getting a trezor for ages but kind of nervous about straying away from paper wallets. By all accounts CASE looks better. I'm convinced that I'll end up buying one or the other. The security looks superb on both but I'm a naturally paranoid person. Think I'm going to make the jump and buy one or the other very soon. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cafucafucafu on May 06, 2015, 10:13:39 PM It seems like Trezor is better as a Bitcoin safe, Case is a better wallet.
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cozk on May 06, 2015, 10:15:16 PM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core.
For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cafucafucafu on May 06, 2015, 10:24:05 PM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cozk on May 06, 2015, 11:35:11 PM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Encrypted wallet.dat in an encrypted container on an encrypted usb stick. One at home, one at the bank, one at friends etc. Yes, if the planet explodes im fucked. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cafucafucafu on May 06, 2015, 11:55:56 PM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Encrypted wallet.dat in an encrypted container on an encrypted usb stick. One at home, one at the bank, one at friends etc. Yes, if the planet explodes im fucked. USB sticks' memory last how many decades? Plus you will need to use a PC/Laptop to send coins. A compromised PC and your coins are gone. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: fryarminer on May 07, 2015, 12:02:01 AM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Encrypted wallet.dat in an encrypted container on an encrypted usb stick. One at home, one at the bank, one at friends etc. Yes, if the planet explodes im fucked. Yeah Bitcoin Core is the authentic and the original, but I don't trust the computer it is on. I don't put a satoshi on a computer anymore. At least a paper wallet doesn't get virus's Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: cozk on May 07, 2015, 12:54:10 AM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Encrypted wallet.dat in an encrypted container on an encrypted usb stick. One at home, one at the bank, one at friends etc. Yes, if the planet explodes im fucked. USB sticks' memory last how many decades? Plus you will need to use a PC/Laptop to send coins. A compromised PC and your coins are gone. Fresh install via an image of a freshly install OS (at your choice) previously made. Takes minutes. Re-do the usb sticks after a few years or use HDDs. lol at ''decades'' is that really the only thing you could came with ? Like your shitty tezor would still work in 10 years. For serious BTC amounts its worth the 10-15 mins it takes. Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Amph on May 07, 2015, 07:44:41 AM For serious BTC both are shit. I do not trust anything that the bitcoin core. For pocket change BTC who cares... its pocket change BTC You want your BTC paper wallet to one day burn down in a fire? With Trezor at least you can memorise the seed and even use it with an infected PC. Encrypted wallet.dat in an encrypted container on an encrypted usb stick. One at home, one at the bank, one at friends etc. Yes, if the planet explodes im fucked. USB sticks' memory last how many decades? Plus you will need to use a PC/Laptop to send coins. A compromised PC and your coins are gone. they last many years, usually around 5 It depends on how many times you have made the cancellation of data and the format used(ntfs or fat32 ecc...) for the security problem use a dedicated laptop for your client, and your are done...or a VM too could work well Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Muhammed Zakir on May 07, 2015, 01:15:30 PM I like Case's design and its features. Trezor is cheaper. Both looks good. I might buy Case (to test it) when USD/BTC price increases. ATM the price is looks high in terms BTC.
Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Amph on May 07, 2015, 02:03:59 PM isn't biometric better, especially if it is eye biometric and not footprints i'm with the Case here, i've always liked biometric eyes more Biometrics are convenient which creates a security benefit because you will use a sufficient amount of entropy on your password... but also have severe disadvantages because you end up leaving all your passwords everywhere in public and cannot change it if it gets compromised. how "biometric eye"(retinal scan) can be compromised? they need to kill me, or force me to do it, if they ever know that i use my eye for something so important, they need to know that first otherwise they can't do nothing but with footprints is different, you can live them everywhere, and someone can "take" those and use it to steal your money Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: inBitweTrust on May 07, 2015, 02:12:00 PM how "biometric eye"(retinal scan) can be compromised? they need to kill me, or force me to do it, if they ever know that i use my eye for something so important, they need to know that first otherwise they can't do nothing They already have been compromised and will continue to be compromised. Biometrics depend upon flawed security principles for the most part. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/red-flag-biometrics-iris-scanner-vulnerability-revealed http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/iris-biometric-security-bypass.html http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1158008,00.asp Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: Amph on May 07, 2015, 05:26:12 PM how "biometric eye"(retinal scan) can be compromised? they need to kill me, or force me to do it, if they ever know that i use my eye for something so important, they need to know that first otherwise they can't do nothing They already have been compromised and will continue to be compromised. Biometrics depend upon flawed security principles for the most part. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/red-flag-biometrics-iris-scanner-vulnerability-revealed http://thehackernews.com/2015/03/iris-biometric-security-bypass.html http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1158008,00.asp you can improve it easily, by providing movements of the eyes to the scanner like an additional layer of security upon the retinal scan it is possible to create a "password" with the movements of the eyes, for example besides the retinal scan you must move your eyes in circle for 2-3 times, or left to right, or combination of both i would like to see how they could hack something like this... no a simple video can't cut it Title: Re: Case vs Trezor Post by: BitcoinNewsMagazine on March 23, 2016, 10:38:04 PM I own both a Case from the first production run and several Trezors. For day to day shopping the Case is faster. Certainly you can use your Trezor with Android phone with OTG cable but you usually would not do that checking out at a store. You would use your Case or Mycelium wallet on phone, and top up Mycelium with Trezor as needed. Trezor works wonderfully with Mycelium by the way.
Both Trezor and Case have their uses. If you can only afford one I would go for the Trezor at $99. The Case is a luxury item. For more information I have an in depth article on all hardware wallets (including the new BitLox) that you can read here (https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/best-bitcoin-hardware-wallet-2015/). |