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are you christian or not?

At this point in my life, I have found it wise to not argue with x-tians.  You are never going to convince them that they are wrong because all the proof in the world(about them being wrong) has been in front of their faces their entire life and they have found a way to ignore it.  It will literally make you go insane.   Imagine someone trying to tell you that 1+1=3 and showing them all of the mathematical knowledge that shows 1+1 is actually 2 and having them still not believe you.   It is a strange affliction for certain.

God is really selfish in fact he is god while I'm not.
Why didn't he made me god?

FTFY.
Well yes, if he does exist he's very selfish.  OP you should ignore that guy.
Since we're believing in fairy tales from an ancient book, we might as well believe that there is a place on Earth with unicorns  ::)

There are lots of violent evils books in the world, some are quite entertaining. That's fine, whatever subject your into. Whatever floats your boat.
However, when people actually start believing them to be true, this is when the problems start.
So yes, read the bible and enjoy the story, but... If you for a microsecond actually start believing it, you must stop, put the book back in your fiction section of your bookshelf and walk away fast. Very fast indeed.

Now you are talking about inorganic-to-life evolution.   :)

Selfish because...

He gave you life along with multitudes of abilities that you wouldn't have because there is no other way for you to get them or life.

When you decided to block Him out of your life, He faithfully held you alive for a long time hoping that you would turn to Him, the only One who can hold you alive.

When the devil transformed you into one of the damned, He sent His Son to die on a cross in place of you so that you can be saved from death to partake of the glory and joy of the new universe He is preparing for all who accept Him.

He gives you freedom in your life in many ways, yet doesn't give you enough so that you accidentally go out and destroy yourself... even though there are some who commit suicide.

He loves you because He knows how important you are to yourself, and that is part of the thing that keeps you important to Him as well.

... So selfish.

:)

He did make you a god in this life. You have control of many things in a god-like way.

He isn't going to destroy Himself by giving any of us god-like authority over the Essence that He is. Yet, he is offering "Godness" to you for a future time, in the new universe He is creating for all those who accept Him and are on His side.

He is making you to be like God. Get into the New Testament of the Bible and learn to accept Him and everlasting life.

:)

Quite the contrary. Christians understand that 1+1=2. They also understand where this whole universe came from, something that atheists mostly don't. Don't argue with the Christians. Join them in this life, so that you can join them and God in the new universe God is making for all who believe in Him and are on His side.

:)

Since you want to argue, why should there be any more talk between us. The forum is for presenting points, not for argument. But you will probably want to argue about this as well.

:)

FTFY

You angry Christians are funny.

Indeed, the angry Christians should curb their anger.   :)

Best just curb the religion completely. They will then be free and happy without the chains.

The Bible is not evil. It is full of practical advice on things like raising kids.


welcome to Rome 200 A.D.

They're mentally ill, there is no way around it.  At least they believe their god will take care of it so they don't try to do it themselves, and it gives them /some/ sort of morals.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/25/phil-robertson-atheist-rape_n_6936662.html

First of all, they don't "understand" where the whole universe came from because they have polluted their brain with false knowledge from a book of lies.  The blindly believe things to be true that have not been proven to actually be true.   That's why atheists don't KNOW where the universe came from.   They have quite a few theories based on hard scientific evidence that will remain theories until the are proven or disproved.    Atheism is a path to knowledge and progress. 

Yes, he also gave the life to multiple children and let their parents abuse them and rape them. That's totally not selfish.
He did not give me life. You're trying to say that he's the one keep me alive? Well that's just ignorant.
I wasn't transformed into one of the damned because I didn't live at that time, unless you think I'm an alien.

Yes. I also like the one where your daughter has to marry her rapist.

I think you'll find most cult members like BADecker tend to ignore the parts of the bible that make them look bad, like that one.  :)

Indeed. These blind followers usually just accepts what they see fit.
They ignore stuff that doesn't go with it. Even though we've pointed out flaws several times in the other thread, they seem to disregard them and talk about other things.

I don't understand how these people can stay so brainwashed when the evidence of evolution is all around them.

Want an example?  Look at dogs!  HUMANS have created/evolved almost 350 breeds of dogs in the last 200 years alone!

No imaginary creator was needed.  

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/canine-corner/201305/how-many-breeds-dogs-are-there-in-the-world

BADecker believing a 600 year old man collected 17,000,000 animals (2 dogs) onto a ship for 400 days with no food or water is so outrageous that you have to seriously question his sanity.

That's a good question. I'm not sure what to say. Maybe most people in the world need faith, something to believe in, something that explains their existence (not in a complicated way such as evolution)?
There are many examples around us to why such "fairy tales" are irrational.
However I do not mind religions that focus on the spirit and meditating. At least they don't believe in books that contain magical stories.  :D

You and I are in agreement my friend.   ;)

We would be exploring the stars by now if some idiot hadn't decided to invent the christian god and give us the dark ages. 

The problem is frankly, most people are ignorant/dumb.

The vast majority of christians have not read the bible completely as their main reference points are the ten commandments and what jesus said(Which is what's most used in the media to likely distract attention away from what's really in the bible). However, the bible is mostly comprised of countless other laws and sayings by god in the bible told to us by the prophets, promoting; rape, murder, pedophilic acts, and more. In fact, according to statistics done on the murder rate done in the bible, God has killed and harmed more innocent people than Satan himself; God killed over 2million, Satan killed just 10. If this quote doesn't show just how twisted "God" is, then I don't know what does:


The above text was said by "God" the father, and he promotes the killing of little children, babies, anyone who isn't of the Jewish faith(Doesn't seek the lord), regards women as being subserviant to men, promotes slavery, promotes rape and pedophillic acts, and much more. That is what I call evil and that is why for a large part of American history, slavery was legal and women had no political rights, as the bible allows for slavery and treats women as inferior to men.

I compare christians and other followers of the abrahamic religions, to Fox news. They only show you want they want you to see, but if you dig deeper, there's a whole lot fo nasty information waiting for you.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/

In regards to this subject we certainly are, friend. This is coming from a person who was actually catholic due to parents forcing me into such a religion while I was still young.
You can easily persuade a kid to follow your beliefs. After reaching a certain point in my lie I've started seeing all the faults in the whole "religion plot", and stuff has changed.

There is also this:
https://i.imgur.com/8BbfPDk.png

If you factor in all the things that are considered satanic, most of us will rot in hell.  :)

I was also brainwashed as a catholic when I was younger.  That is the only way religion can spread - by parents forcing their innocent children to be brainwashed.   :-\

When I was 11 or 12, I started sneaking out of the house early Sunday morning, and coming back in the afternoon, just so that my brainwashed parents wouldn't force me to church.  They then put a lock on the door, so I would go out my bedroom window.  When they put a lock on my window, I just wouldn't come home Saturday afternoon and stay all night at a friend's place.  They eventually decided I didn't have to go if I didn't want to.  :)

People like BADecker and millions of others didn't have the willpower, drive and common sense that I had.  I'll always be proud of that.

Indeed, this is essentially the main way that it is spreading. Your parents get you baptized while you're still a baby. One has no choice at that time.
Exactly. I've started going away while I was a teenager as well. Even if they'd force me I would just be sitting there bored.
Sometimes if you take notice of what the priest is talking about, you would see just what kind of nonsense he's spreading.

It just seems to me that far more bad things come from religion than good.   Some of the worst atrocities in human history, were committed in the name of religion. 

Well 'seems' might actually be the wrong word here. Obviously proper research needs to be done by someone who is highly interested in the matter.
Some listed here could also count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There is a lot of things wrong,; take a look:

True, here's a list for those interested.    And let's just remember, this is just a list of Christian atrocities.   If we took all religions and complied a list, we would need a library to store it.

One library wouldn't be nearly as big enough. Make that 100.

It is mind-boggling to me that in this day and age with all of the access to knowledge one has that people still buy-into this stuff. To just accept what you were told as a kid and hold onto that as an adult just blows me away - you'd look at someone crazy if they told you that at age 30 or 40 they were waiting on Santa to come down their chimney in December. But the church has instilled this fear of eternal damnation in people and sadly, most people are followers and that thought that they just might go to "Hell" if they don't believe is burned in their minds. And this is why we are at where we are at with the world today and with politics it is the same, people buy whatever they are told and don't even question it, no matter how outlandish it is and those who rule know this and exploit it to the fullest.

It is completely understandable to me that, in this modern day and age, that the tad bit of knowledge that we have, puffs people's egos up so that they think that they know enough to do it themselves. Then they die, without even being able to make themselves live for 200 years, and they know nothing afterward.

Now, it wouldn't be so bad if this had only been happening a generation or two, but it has been happening for thousands of years. And people still can't get it through their thick skulls that they are so ignorant and weak that they virtually know nothing.

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I agree. The solution is to steer people away from the evil temptation of the church/religion and all that nonsense, so there is less of these people.
As for the unfortunate weak ones that have already succumbed, all we can do is pity them, for their eyes, ears and minds are now closed, with slim chance of freedom again.

Well bad people is bad, doesnt matter what their religion is, doesnt matter if he is christian, atheist or whatever. It doesnt matter that he claims is in name of religion, he is a bad person. Why do you think hitler did what he did? Oh im an atheist therefore im going to kill all the jews hueheuehu

Good people do good things.
Bad people do bad things.
Religion can make good people do bad things.

 Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest - Diderot

Creation does not tell God what is and is not either ethical, moral, or both: God determines this, as a rule, for the totality thereof. (Alternatively, “morality” is as innate an element of “the universe” [i.e., “physicality” {Eisenstein}] as “God” so is one.)

I love this thread so much. Following and reading anxiously.

I am reading this again and I love this so much, very, very much.

On my behalf I can say the following: I have different attitude to religion, God and church each on its own. People have built churches, have looked for protection there during sieges and wars, their faith made them build beautiful things that should be kept as signs of what a human being can create. Religion is a common political instrument. No less no more. We have multiple examples when religions caused horrible things, and we are still experiencing them nowadays. God is...I dunno what it is. These three are absolutely different institutions. They are connected only to some extend.