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If I were to sell property in a different country and the buyer were to pay me in bitcoins, would there be any taxes to pay? And when trading in the bitcoins for UK GBP, would there be any taxes to pay then?  :)

I don't think that you will need to pay any taxes when getting paid in Bitcoins as it won't be traceable.
But when it comes to trading those coins into fiat, it is obvious that tax might be needed to be paid.

What type of tax do you think that it would count as?

I think, y will not get taxes for any Bitcoin transaction. Because the truth is, in Bitcoin transaction the seller is the person who decide the price of the Bitcoin and it could be the buyer too.

There will be no taxes involve if you were to trade things by using bitcoin but in country that those bitcoin are illegal you may have some trouble with this trade especially in a large sum of money involve. If you trade bitcoin for UK GBP then all you need is just a verification and just need to pay some trading fee for that

Normal taxes that you already pay there in UK for your earnings.
I have heard of Capital gains tax, it might be levied upon you based on what you will show in your statements.

it depends how much this property cost, you should declare your income anyway, if you buy a big terrain for example and they will see it, you might get in trouble

i think this is true even in countries where bitcoin isn't regulated

but personally i would not declare, if bitcoin is not regulated, because i can always appeal to the fact that it not in fact regulated

Of course it is. Once you sign for the house and send payment they'll know exactly who the coins belong to. Unless you're really good at laundering this isn't a good idea. You can't sell a house without leaving all sorts of Paper-trails not to mention providing many forms of documents to prove various things. You will also need to pay property tax. My brother just bought a house in the UK and even though he's worked for the same company all his life and had proof of his earnings the solicitors and bank who gave him the mortgage questioned and investigated his finances for quite some time to make sure he wasn't money laundering as he put quite a large deposit down which was about 70% of the value which they apparently thought was unusual for someone his age. Trust me, it really is a pain buying or selling a house in the uk.

Yes you have to pay the same taxes as if you were paying in fiat currencies. You can save on the exchange rate if you are buying in a different country though.
If you had a capital gain (unlikely) from the purchase, then you would have to pay tax on that too.

There must be precident of people buying property with commodities..

when you pay a thing ... with bitcoin, you have a stock movment.
and so, a tax (VAT) applied on this.

bitcoin is not taxable.
it's the stock that it is taxable.

This is not something you should be asking for advice on the internet.
You should talk to a legal consultant.

What if you don't declare anything yet the buyer declared his purchase of your property?
What then?

Bitcoin is money. When amount is small, we could pass it as non-taxable. Bitcoin received from the sale of a property is a sizable amount. It is taxable in the local country and your home country. Quite a few countries have tax on GLOBAL income.


He is right, you should talk to accountants in both the local country and your home country.

Everything is taxable in the U.S. if it's sold for a gain. Until it sold, however, things are still a bit murky since the government considers Bitcoin to be both property and currency depending upon what suits the governments purpose at the time ( officially, it's usually considered property ).

Of course the IRS will consider it taxable. They consider everything taxable. Fortunately, they don't make the ultimate decision. Tax courts do.

My best advice to the OP is not to listen to anybody on this forum. Your question is best answered by a competent tax attorney.

Is that definitely true?
Atm bitcoin is sort of like gambling, why should we have to pay tax.
They can't have it both ways as in refuse to accept bitcoin, refuse to 100% regulate and approve it only to then come and say we owe them tax.
They need to make their minds up.
Can't go half way, reject bitcoin but then want our profits on it.

There's no workaround about it. If you bought something less important than a property you could. But if you buy a property directly with Bitcoin you will have to inform to the government anyway, which means they'll ask where that money came from.

between 2 privat user ... no problem, no tax.
win, win  ;D

With transaction of this magnitude when you need to state in documents how much you paid for house. It does not matter whether you purchased house with bitcoin or FIAT, they will convert bitcoins and you will pay taxes normally. If you try to keep your purchase secret, it can bite you in the ass in a long run, I would not do it.

I will think it will depend on how the sale is structured, most places have a property tax that has to be paid when selling land/home, those taxes will have to be paid by someone. Once you exchange the coins to fiat, as soon as that fiat hits your bank it is tracked. If you guys have income tax that would be the tax you will have to pay. Because to the  government it is considered a form of income.

If you're accepting bitcoins and immediately converting them then I don't see any reason why there'd be any tax on that transaction. That would be like taxing a bank transfer.

If the taxman comes sniffing then you show them your price, show them the transaction and the conversion into fiat. If you held the coins for a couple of years and prices rose then you'd be looking at capital gains.

If it's a second home and it's gained a large amount of value it's capital gains time but it's no different from accepting any other type of payment.

Best to ask a pro though.

I don't think there's a single country where it would be legal to pay for a property in BTC.
Most countries have taxes on property transactions, and all property transaction must be registered, with the price in local currency included in the registration process. So you may exchange the fiat income from the transaction in BTC, after the transaction, then to Sterling, and then you'll pay tax. I'd recommend to keep the money outside of the UK.

Depends if the seller of the house decided to sell the house privately & not go through an estate agent / real estate manager.
I'm unsure if that would be legal but if two people decide on a method of payment privately surely that's ok?

I have no idea, no legal background, I'm just presuming here.

Most countries will have some type of property transaction tax. Registering change of ownership won't be possible without paying it.

Why do so many People think that by using bitcoin You dont have a legal obligation to pay taxes? You Will always have to. The question is, Will You risk not declaring it? Not smart imo.

It depends on were to sell property in a different country. If the country has not declared a legalization of the Bitcoin you will not pay a tax and if it's legal on the country you will pay a tax. But you should research that if that country is legal or illegal about Bitcoin. But if you talk privately you will send it with no taxes, but only my opinion.

Payment method is not relevant, you need to see what taxes apply to the specific transaction.

You don't need to included a transaction in the paperwork, just the amount and then you pay whatever taxes you need to pay...

In order to issue the transaction legally you will need to assess the property in Fiat. In many countries there are restrictions on paying cash, therefore you may be required to make payment to the account. I think that you have no chance to avoid conversion and therefore have to pay tax.

In the UK bitcoin is only subject to capital gains tax as far as I know. BTC in the UK is treated as an asset in the same way gold, silver etc are treated, unless you are liable as a corporate entity. You have an allowance of £11,100 yearly.

I think it is not necessary to pay taxes when you are being payed by bitcoins.
Bitcoins are internet money and it is not yet converted into flat.
When you converted the bitcoin before you pay, then you will also have to pay a tax.

Yes you need to pay the tax for the government records like the registry of deeds and the attorney services to process your legal property documents that you will need in the future but this time you will pay in fiat money. No matter how buyer pay your property in gold, dollars, pounds, yen, or bitcoin etc. still you will indicate your total selling value in local money to your legal documents as the base for the tax to be paid in the government.

Taxes are everywhere.
Even in transaction fees.
But also, don't expect to trade without taxes.
Everyone needs some % of your BTC.

There would not be any taxes as the transaction will take place in private and there is no involvement of authorities and the government. It would be great if you find a buyer who is ready to pay such huge amount in the bitcoins.

Yeah,as you said there is no taxes on the transactionof bitcoins.But you need to pay the taxes while you earn income from investing bitcoin as the investment.The most common and diplomatically safe assumption, at this point in time, is that bitcoin trade is a business, and just like any business, income tax needs to be paid on the profit made from buying and selling of this virtual currency

Maybe the only time that the government could actually tax bitcoin is when it is converted to fiat money that the bank has been notified that there is a transaction made from a wallet address. That is the only i could see that the government could actually make some tax in bitcoin transactions. Because right now even if i transfer money to a bank, no charge that the money i sent like 5k stays the same amount after it was received in my credit card.

I think we already have that here in philippines because in the transaction fees its so high but its ok for good exchanger,i think if you add more fees like tax is not good for everyone because its spread in different country so if we have tax coming in different country that will be big problem,where we do paid if this is for everyone?

There are agreements between countries for avoidance of double taxation. If you pay taxes in one country then in another country, you no longer have to do that. As for real estate transactions the tax is paid by the seller. When you make a transaction in the contract will contain the price in pounds. With this amount, you will pay the tax.

If you're immediately converting bitcoins after accepting them... why would there be any tax on this transaction? ::)

Whenever bitcoin is bought, sold, or traded, there are tax impacts. When it comes to taxes, the Internal Revenue Service has ruled that bitcoins and other "convertible virtual currencies" are "treated as property" and not treated as currency. Virtual currencies are property for tax purposes. That means, you'll have capital gain or loss when disposing of virtual currency. Business transactions as well as selling properties in bitcoin are subject to all the normal rules for sales tax, withholding, and information reporting.

Stricly speaking is not legal to buy or sell a property and pay via Bitcoin. But if you choose that, at the Contract of Sale for the Property you will need to show a legitimate price according to the currency of your country. That contract will be submitted to the Tax Office and after you get the clearance from the Tax Office or after they ask you to pay the taxes, then you will submit the contract and all documents received from the Tax Office to the Land Registry Department of your Country.

Thus you cant avoid taxes for transactions such as the sale of properties.

It is impossible to register a real estate transaction with bitcoin. All transactions which require registration of ownership papers are checked by the tax authorities. You will not be able to avoid taxation on such sales. If you buy a property then the tax authorities must inquire the source of your income and require the payment of taxes. Bitcoin is good only for small purchases and money laundering.

If payment of real estate for bitcoin is made in a country that does not recognize the digital currency as a means of payment, then this is a very interesting situation. Apparently, there must be a special law or subordinate act that explains this issue. Many issues related to crypto currency have not yet been regulated by the state. Therefore, they are decided at the discretion of the citizens themselves.

he may have evade in the first rounds but transferring names to the buyer's would mean tax paying for him. i would rather be accept fiat for such transaction than making those people from the government suspicious with what you deals with.


there are however countries that are slowly accepting btc, that would mean they will pay taxes.

you need need only ask him price

example if you want to send to china

only use exchange to change bitcoin to yoan and then send the number of bitcoin

In order to make a deal on the acquisition of real estate in any country you need to execute legal documents and pay taxes. This must be a expert estimation of property value in the national currency. This price will determine the amount of taxes.

up to  now on bit coin had no tax. it is crypto currency so government did not gave statement on bit coins tax. some country's slowly accepting bit coins. person to person  money transactions.

you only need to pay network fee (less than 2$ for 100$)but you can back it to normal bank system and pay tax if you want to pay  :P

Yes, don't mess with the IRS

Obviously, you talk about only the US citizens (the IRS is the US tax agency) since in other countries and jurisdictions there can be different regulations. That said, if you use Bitcoin for trading purposes (i.e. when you sell it for fiat, say, the US dollar, and vice versa), I guess you should not declare every transaction (i.e. trade) you make. You just calculate how much you earned (lost) in total and declare that amount to the IRS once a year, and, correspondingly, pay the capital gains tax (or whatever) once a year as well (provided you booked profits in the first place, of course)

If you do not have a bitcoin company, you do not have to pay taxes. Using only bitcoin will not make you your company owner. No country can get tax from you with such an illogical reason. Continue to use bitcoin. I hope we will see better days.

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a tax on bitcoin. The exchange rate of the currency of bitcoin is greater than average, meaning the tax for every bitcoin transaction will be so high. Only government officials want this to gain more money. :-\

As per exchanges must allocated a portion of conversion fee as taxes for the government and it should be monitored by a representative of the government which specialise on digital technology. It won’t be hard as the bitcoin exchanges provider cooperated as to show willingness to be called legally recognized.

It won’t be that big for us but if accumulated by all, it would be a great helped for a countries development.

I am not a supporter of legalizing bitcoin and not pay taxes using bitcoin. I am surprised by the position of those who want legalization. But the absurdity of the situation is that until will not be able to use bitcoin without exchanging for Fiat governments will never accept bitcoin. They will take taxes Fiat money in exchange. When people exchange bitcoins directly would be easier to hide their trades, and the government will be forced to accept bitcoin in order to accept taxes in bitcoin.

I think as long the government will not recognize Bitcoin as a legal tender to their country in buying and selling of their goods and services in exchange of it then it can't be tax. In able for the governments in the whole world to implement taxing cryptocurrency they must create a dedicated branch or department in this king of thing because it is a big thing now and a big money is involve inside of it.

Your tax liabilities will depend on your country's specific regulations. For example, in the United States, the IRS has released regulatory guidelines about how cryptocurrencies are to be reported on tax forms.

As far as I know bitcoin, I don't knowing yet that on using bitcoin there is a taxes must be paid to the local government. I think it depends on the government of the country, how to deal with bitcoin using on its country.. maybe some countries has already applied taxes on the using of bitcoin, however in the country where I live there is no such thing as taxes for bitcoin, because the government is still seen giving freedom for bitcoin users.

Ya surely you have to pay taxes for selling property and when selling in a different country then i think forex trading charges will also applied as you are going to deal in other country so you will be charges double with property trading and including in foreign currency trading. But when dealing in Bitcoin i think that you have to contact your legal and tax department about it.

It makes no sense to go to the tax office with such a problem. Nowhere in the world bitcoin is not recognized currency. This means that nobody will make out at the official level deal in bitcoins. You will have in any case to change bitcoins for national currency and execute the transaction in the usual manner.

If you make a transaction in BTC; It does not impose any tax until you convert into fiat currency of your country through an authorized exchange. Tax evasion is a very serious issue. Tax would be induced on Capital gain above the original principal amount invested.

Wtf are you talking about?

Bitcoin is recognized as a currency in half of the world, and it is recognized in the countries which matter most for Bitcoin such as the US, Japan, and EU. In the US it is considered as commodity for trading purposes but this doesn't mean Bitcoin is not legalized there. In the EU the European court recommended local governments to treat Bitcoin as a foreign currency for taxation purposes. If you mean that you can't pay taxes directly with Bitcoin, I agree with that but this is not what the poster you replied to seems to mean. As I got it, he means that you should ask your tax authority whether you should pay taxes on your Bitcoin deals, irrespective of the currency you are going to pay these taxes with

I don't know the law of the UK, but here in Russia we actually have to pay taxes from every income what I don't do actually. For now nobody yet asked me where from money that I get on my bank's account are going from, but I have few friends whom been asked about it by tax police. For that case I plan to say that it is family support or something like that. I don't earn some big money and I hope I will not attract a lot of attention. There are many ways to escape the tax system you know  ;)

Bitcoin is a virtual currency and can be exchange into different currencies such as EUR, USD, Peso and other more. And most of us treat it as a property. To be able to have tax in a certain property it must be  recorded properly and must be known by the government. But since bitcoin is really anonymous and very decentralized, it would be hard to keep records of it. Meaning it will be hard to imply tax into bitcoin. Maybe, tax with bitcoin can be felt in every transactions we make. Payments and other transactions.

If the country has not declared a legalization of the Bitcoin you will not pay a tax and if it's legal on the country you will pay a tax. But you should research that if that country is legal or illegal about Bitcoin. Most countries have taxes on property transactions, and all property transaction must be registered, with the price in local currency included in the registration process.

Firstly, no government entity or organization can impose tax on bitcoin due to its decentralized nature, meaning no one actually has complete control of it. Imposing tax on something that the government cannot regulate will violate their powers and jurisdiction. Second, it is also a case-to-case basis and it highly depends on the country depending on their current laws regarding bitcoin. Lastly, bitcoin trading into different countries is no different from exchanging coins to fiat. It depends on the wallet you are using regarding their terms & agreement.

Today it is impossible to make a deal on the acquisition of real estate with bitcoin in any country in the world. States may require you to pay taxes only on your earnings in Fiat. Once you get the Fiat from selling bitcoins to Bank account, you will get under the tax code. Up to this point you do not have to pay.

Depending on the country you want to trade if the country has accepted the bitcoin and made it a payment method of that country, no country in the world has recognized bitcoin as a bar method. mathematicians in their country. If the person you want to buy accepts for bitcoin, then I do not think you have a tax problem

I've read earlier that Japan plans and " in discussion " to generate profit from taxes on Bitcoin and I was like how the hell will they do that , It's difficult to trace people who uses bitcoin, unless it will be generated from exchanges and trading platform which earlier have been accredited and allowed by the Japanese Government.

I think the tax on bitcoin is still in fairness, there are many who say that bitcoin tax is expensive but I think it still makes sense and it does not matter if it continues to be applied to bitcoin.

If you use bitcoin for transactions, it doesn't involve taxes, but in countries where bitcoin is illegal, you may have some trouble, especially if it involves a lot of money.

And however bitcoin price at the moment it's higher than before, so the incomes that was earned will also be a high as compared to other jobs in general, it could be the reason the taxes on bitcoin deserve to be a bit expensive.
But still for the countries that hasn't legalize bitcoin including in the country where I live, still free on taxes. But after to cashed it, it's good if we keep paying a taxes to the government, or at least helping the paupers or doing a charity.

Bitcoin price might did increase its price but doesnt mean it would really increase our salary too which we do earn in bitcoin since we do have still basis anytime on where we do earn. Same as yours im free of tax when it comes to my bitcoin earnings because it isnt still regulated or adopted here on my country which is good for now unlike on other countries which they are already putting up some taxation.

This would depend on how bitcoin and taxes is treat in your country. If you are paying tax for that certain property already then on next payment of tax return that particular asset is declared sold then how could you explain the sale that happens. Better go to tax bureau and ask about it.

all i know that if we buy some property there is also a corresponding tax to be paid. if you acccept btc as payment of the property you are selling thats good. but i think its not ok if you use its in other country like uk to re purchace property because uk is very strick regarding buying properties. they conduct investagation on where the money came from. so be carefull if you are planning to use it in uk.