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you should open this thread in service announcements

Thank's!  :)

You shouldnt trust coin mixers, be very careful with them since they can steal your bitcoins and never send them back to you while they are "mixing them"

That's right,as always in bitcoin, you only have to use trustable sites which have showed to give a good service

Be very careful with mixers.  You send money and hope they send it back.  Research the heck out of it before using, and start small.

Make sure you really need this service before doing it.  Most seem to use them without a true need to be anonymous.

There is a number of incorrect statements in what you say.
There is no need to pass identifications to buy bitcoins, there is a number of exchange sites that has never asked for any type of identification and im sure it will stay that way in the future to and people dont have to buy bitcoins to acquire them, it is for example possible to mine them annonomously depending on how people set there miners up and there is free givaways like faucets and such where people can get coins to.

An exchange can not just demand that users from any countrys send them scaned ID documents as that is agaist the law in a number of countrys, if they did that they would be commiting a serious crime and will most likely be charged for it, the exchange can only ask for scanned ID documents from people in countrys without laws against such illeagal procedures.

Some countrys dont have such policys some does and it also depends on what you would define to be large amount. Here your for example allowed to take the equivalent of around 12 000$ with you each time you pass the border to another country but there is no law regulating how many times your allowed to pass the border each day so you could if you like walk back and forth past the border 100 times(it would look silly thou but thats about it) and absolutely legal take with you 1 200 000$ if you want to. Simular tings apply for electronic transfers to.
That also depends, you dont nessesary have to buy things online, and you dont have to identify yourself to be allowed to buy your groceries and such. If you buy things online the goods dont have to be sent to yourself you can for example send them to one of your companys or a boxadress instead if you would prefer that.

But i do agree that mixers could make it simpler for those that want to stay anonymous in the Bitcoin world and avoid compromising privacy, we dont need a new GDR stasi society in the western countrys of today that some countrys try to create in violation of international human right laws.

Advertising in this forum is the best way to promote your service.
You can built your own reputation here.

The best mixer right now is Monero, a decentralized anonymous blockchain

but you still need to buy it with bitcoin, they could track that, but if you aim at mining it directly, it would be better in anonimity

No, they can't track that. Once you send coins to an exchange and buy into a different coin(s), it's already almost a done deal.
Once you send Monero from the exchange back to your new address, you could send it to another one just to be sure. Tell me exactly how someone could trace this all back to me?

OP, cryptsy doesn't require verification; at least it didn't use to.

The thing is the exchange would know you came in with x coin at address x, and left with y coin with y address.

If you went to another exchange then changed it again after... maybe more anonymous.  But mining direct into a wallet I think would beat it even on being anonymous.   

So what? If I made another account in 5 days and deposited half of that and bought back BTC it wouldn't be suspicious at all.
The chances of them associating that with me is almost zero.

I'm looking at it as worst case scenario.  Let's say some government agency comes along and ask for the data... if you did just one trade yes you could be known with this.   Likely to happen in most cases?  No it is not, but I'm looking at worst case.

You would be surprised how many things have to turn over things.  Heck even this forum turned over info that was needed about bfl.  I'm sure those most of those users did not think some agency would have their PM's about bfl - http://insidebitcoins.com/news/bitcointalk-court-ordered-to-release-butterfly-labs-messages/31814

only mining offer 100% anon, because you never move anything, you just receive them in exchange of your electricity, all other methods have always a tiny % of being tracked back

i could agree that it will be very difficult in some scenario, like with monero, but it's not impossible, also the monero anon tech(ring signature) itself, isn't 100% anon(isn't based on a zero-knowledge scheme)


p.s. this is a good article https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/brs-arbitrary-output-sizes.txt
another good read http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29471/are-there-any-true-anonymous-cryptocurrencies

that's true.. and that's why , when you want to use a mixer service, you  should always choose a trusted and reliable service..  be extremely careful when using  ::) these kind of services..

yeah! this forum most popular between bitcoin users!

exactly! Bitcoin anonymity is very important and need to use good and reliable mixers!

The problem is the type of people who set up mixers.  Most I don't think are in it to help people remain unknown.  They are in it to make money.

If a government shows up asking for IP logs you know they will be turning it over very very quick hoping to not spend a ton in lawyers.

Also biggest concern is they just stop sending out.  Lets say business is slow, they get a big amount to mix.  They run away with it and any smaller ones that were sent before people realized it.

Just a lot of possible bad things.

About IP and Goverment. There is 2 sites at BitcoinMixers.com that need no registrations. Using VPN/proxy you get your adress for sending BTC and using TOR send them and got your new bitcoins. Simple, yeah?

What makes you a expert in this field can I ask?   Tor has had more holes and exploits then I have counted.  As long as there is exit nodes it remains open to possible attacks.   

But why do all this with mixers when mining to a new address is more anonymous?

Tor is good for anonimoty if you configured it well. Almost everything has both pros and cons. It's nearly impossible to get a thing without pros or cons.


If you don't/can't mine, buy newly minted coins with your coins.

Let me give you an example: at BitcoinMixers.com you can find Helix light mixer that does not just clean your bitcoins it gives you brand new freshly mined uncirculated bitcoins. The Helix's system is more than a simple bitcoin tumbler, it is privacy and security wrapped in one.  :)

Where did you get newly minted coins?

our website is only concerned with advertising these services. where the team of BTC mixer takes new Bitcoins we do not know. maybe this is the secret of the company  ;D

Or is it possible maybe it's not happening?   If you cannot explain or show it happening.... i don't know if it should be advertised.

So you are just advertising? I don't want you to tell where you get newly minted coins but at least can you post a signed message from an address which has some newly minted coins? ;)

are you kidding? i said that we are just advertising

That's why people should choose their mixer that they trust and use it.

He actually has a very fair request.  You "advertised" some had newly minted coins, so asking you to show this is 100 percent fair.

If you cannot prove it or show it then it should not be a advertising point.

I always used mixers. Thank's to your website - I mixed 10 btc
Thank you!

Shill?! Post transaction ID of the bitcoins you sent to this mixer here.

We ask for evidence of "new coins".... and we get a low level account.   I was born a day but it was not yesterday....

Just provide us evidence of the "new coins" you advertised and you can make everyone happy OP.

I'm new to BTC and cryptocurrency at all. Your article very interesting, but should i use mixers? )

Only if you need more privacy.

But beyond that it's untraceable once you're on the Monero blockchain. In other words, in the following example it is pretty much untraceable when using Tor:

1. Create a Monero account with https://mymonero.com
2. Go to https://shapeshift.io and tell it you want to convert from BTC to XMR (to your MyMonero address) for your amount plus a little extra. To give you an example, ShapeShift tells me 1 BTC = 481.9701 XMR right now.
3. Go to https://xmr.to and use their rate to convert your XMR (less, say, 0.03 XMR for a 3kb mining fee) to the BTC equivalent and pay your destination BTC address. Using my example, the 481.9401 XMR is worth 0.959060799 BTC (so slippage is just over 4%)
4. Pay the XMR address and payment ID provided by xmr.to using a relatively high mix-in value on MyMonero

It doesn't matter whether MyMonero is subpoenaed and has to submit your viewkey, or ShapeShift is hacked, or anything like that. The connection from MyMonero to xmr.to cannot be traced or reversed. For added goodness you could send the coins to yourself on MyMonero, or to multiple MyMonero accounts, all providing an additional break in the chain. To understand why this works it is good to familiarise yourself with the way Monero works, perhaps starting with the LetsTalkBitcoin podcast on the subject: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e202-understanding-monero


Mining is quite out of reach to most, and it actually doesn't help that much - you still need to use your coinbase UTXOs to make a payment, and that's the part that's at-risk.

Nobody claimed Monero was "100% anon", from a cryptographic perspective. In other news, your Bitcoin private keys can be brute-forced and aren't "100% safe". Also, 2048-bit AES encryption isn't "100% uncrackable". All three of these examples deal with cryptographically negligible scenarios, which is what andytoshi refers to in that StackExchange post when he says that Monero's anonymity is "weaker than total anonymity". The step from Monero's cryptographically untraceable (ie. for incoming transactions there are many possible senders whose involvement is equiprobable) and unlinkable (ie. for any two outgoing transactions it is impossible to prove they were sent to the same person) transactions to "total anonymity" is VERY slight, and thus the amount of "weakness" is important only from the perspective of cryptographic absolutes, and only under certain models as well (the random oracle model, in particular). The cryptographic negligibility is only for incoming transactions, and requires ownership of a substantial number of blockchain TXOs to even begin to hope to correctly choose the correct input signer from a group.

andytoshi and gmaxwell's AOS paper has, to some degree, been superseded by the observations made in a recent Monero Research Lab paper, "MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol" (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf).

You really think that we need to prove to you something? Services that we represent have got thousands of satisfied clients. We don't have so much time to waste it for discussion with you or prove you something.

This sentence has made it all clear. You don't lose anything for proving that your service works. Maybe a minute of your time?
Your service is most likely a scam. Everyone, stay away from it!
I wouldn't even be surprised if the mixer actually worked just to get some trust and a bigger deposit.  ::)

Someone had time to waste to sign up to new account's to praise this.....

But yes if you advertise something then it is expected you are able to prove it.  Is that a lot to ask?     

Absolutely you do, for you are probably just lying.   :-\

Get off our forum, scammer.  Negative trust left.

Please provide the transaction links and I will remove your negative trust. 

It's obvious you are just a fake account of the OP to build trust.

Also, this scam shouldn't be in Beginners and Help.  I've used the Report to Moderator link to request it be moved.

I don't need to waste my time and begin huge polemics with you. imagine advertising company that doing ONLY advertising. Understand? ONLY advertisement and haven't access to the accounts with bitcoins. Is it normal? I think yes if company specialized only in advertising. very easy to write, that it is scam and cry it for everyone. But please, leave your wrong opinion to yourself.

No this is not possible. You should be either able to: a) provide transactions from your database; b) get one of your customers to provide transaction IDs.
Looking at how this situation is developing, I wouldn't remove that trust rating before at least 3 different transactions are shown with evidence (over 1 BTC each).

You should know *what* you are advertising and this is your duty to provide evidence. You can ask owners to provide evidence and you can post what they give here. Reputation of the mixer is gone and if you don't provide, this will stay as it is. Provide if you want to save your business.


IMHO ratings shouldn't be removed. They can fake 1+BTC mixing easily and 1BTC is comparitively low than what people mix. Their reaction to our question shows they are untrustworthy and/or unsafe to trust with money.

Some anonymous solutions:

https://stealthcointalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=49&sid=e31d495e1cd2f300eb66b142d800f3cf

Some mixers that didn't worked are renovated and now all services worked good.

Oh, i use btc mixers to hide my coins from eveybody and you asked me to give a links of the transactions and eveybody see how much coins i have and for what i spend them, whom i send them? Man, are you seriously?

I do not believe anonymity is very important for Bitcoin; however, this is my personal opinion. Different people will use Bitcoin for different reasons.

https://i.imgur.com/9hBUFOe.png

I'll let Doge explain this one:
https://i.imgur.com/XLIqqx7.jpg

That's your opinion and the majority does not agree. Bitcoin is currently pseudo-anonymous and this is enough in my perspective. A coin that is completely anonymous (untraceable) can never succeed or become legal. Sure there is a big market for such coin, however it will never become mainstream. Bitcoin on the other hand is already being legalized as we speak.