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After two deals (20k+200k dogecoin) buying dogecoin , yesterday we agreed deal to buy 400kdogecoin, but he after accept my price and btc payment, say me that found best buyer and not sell me dogecoin and will repay my btc, but until now I not got

Scammers Profile Link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92499 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92499)

Reference Link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1052583.msg11305731#msg11305731 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1052583.msg11305731#msg11305731)
Amount Scammed:0.144 BTC
Payment Method:
Proof of Payment:68edf4697495737deb76c38793c46a4c3e5fe5f94ce2e826ee2863f07aef41ab
PM/Chat Logs:
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Additional Notes: Yesterday he als took out a loan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054247.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054247.0)

Yeah recently there was another accusation against that user and Vod pointed out the he might have gotten hacked, operatr replied and said he would pay the loan but it seems really fishy

Sorry for your loss.. Why don't bother an escrow ?, 

This guy has so many alts, I'm quite sure he was the main actor behind all of the recent scams here and outside the forum.

As I have said previously the worst thing in this forum is that you do not know who are you talking, so it will be very insecure and if you do not use an escrow then in this case it is also your fault (I'm talking generally).

I could have been done like this easily. Since he was a "hero member" who would have thought that he would steal $35. But I guess times are a changing. The account is worth more than that I would imagine. Probably 4 times more. Makes no sense really.

It can easily some newbie or jr.member that have bought that hero member to scam the community, who knows? The escrow is needed if you do not trust the other part, but I suggest the use of him always.

yes I send him first only for reason that he "hero" and has careful, I want buy dogecoin in small part,(first 20k, second 200k) than  he say that can and want  sell 2mln doge in one deal.

Well you learned the lesson, never do that even if he is a hero or a legendary or even if he has trust because the account can be compromised or maybe was bought or maybe he just started scamming. If you use escrow you will always be safe

Here a PM from a conversation with him:




Now he should repay his debt and after he can open his own reputation thread http://techforum.it/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/asd.gif.

No. He has been here for a year or so, keeps creating and buying new account to hide his real identity.

A question: so are you saying that account is created by him (and he did not buy its from another user)? *amazing* It is really a shame and dishonest to scam another user.

@Operatr, we are still waiting the signed message!

Looks like this one is bought account, keeping an account till hero is not his style, but he keeps creating and buying new accounts.

Last message was 5 hour ago:

Quoted for reference, I remember when he said:

He could made way more than 35$ from some signature campaigns with hero..

If that PM quoted in the OP is legit then he is an alt of puzzel.me

The address that was given to the OP to send to is 1CHGSpQB5r3kmvUVyLy8gkGeBKfw2Bpsty which was also posted by rony_90 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228472) in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829497.msg11181497#msg11181497), and rony_90 was previously identified as being an alt of puzzel.me

I called this scammer out when I saw him here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049412.msg11315216#msg11315216).
The scammer said that he was willing to post a signed message from an old address to show that he is the original owner of the account, but hasn't done that so far.


Great job QS, I think we have found who the real owner of the account is. If he does have other hero accounts, it's only a matter of time before they are found out thanks to users like you.

I got 2 of his mobile number
already contacted someone who will give real name and address details of him

digging for more info, will share here

Just as an FYI, the account was most likely purchased in February, and possibly again on the 6th so any information you get from prior to that will probably be from the previous owner.

Also any dox information you get needs to be from public sources

Agree.

rony_90 aka cryptoforcause aka puzzel.me , I called him Tapan Sharma. And his PD username is thethugmudi. I knew his fb account.

All these info. can help the OP and other users to contact the scammer.... I was lucky because I have lent him only 0.035 btc  :/ .... very lucky.

yes, he is an indian scammer, i got his mobile number
within a day or 2 i will write complete details of him including his address,father name,and possibly then photo of him

She was building up trust across multiple accounts, mostly in the lending section. That was probably the intention with the loan from Neotox however those plans were probably put on hold once people started asking her to sign a message from an old address.

I think both the OP and Neotox are at fault for getting scammed as this was easily preventable simply by using escrow and by asking for valid collateral (or a signed message)

I would do all of above and more if he fails to pay which it looks very likely what he'll do. Sorry for your loss guys, ruining a Hero account for 0.4btc why not just sell it? My money is that it is a hacked account or he got it very cheap. You just wouldn't do that to a genuine account, I hope his other 2 Hero's get found out and they will if BadBear gives this some time to tag him. Of course that is assuming he has them which I doubt very much to be honest.

Why you don't use an escrow is my question!
.1 btc is not a much but is some thing.
Sorry for you lost.

Exactly, but until it will not become a 'rule' then it is alternative (but recommended) provide a collateral. Neotox (as we) trusted him(or her) because the Hero rank, and he (Neotox) was not so lucky due the amount of 0.25 btc.

Yeah since this has happened, I use to send funds if I bought anything to hero members or sr. member if the cost was less than I valued the account as for I don't know why people are so freaking dumb when they could have sold the account, got 4 or 5 times more than they scammed for and not have been a scammer. They have completely proved to me that they have 0 common sense and are most likely a child from 15-25. Sorry to say it, but I'm escrowing everything from now on. Shame I cant differentiate between dumbfuck scammers and legit people :/ I would have never thought this :/

Signed message mean very little. I'm sure some account sellers have no problem handing over private keys to no longer used addresses when they sell their account. False sense of security IMO.

You guys put way to much faith in forum rankings here. Hero or not, unless they have great rep you shouldn't send first or provide no collateral loans. I'm sure this is a lesson well learnt and hopefully won't happen again zazarb.

Most scams are done privately here and a lot fail to report them for several reasons. Those small amounts add up so don't think they won't scam because it's less then the value of their account.

Exactly this...I learned the hard way a year or 2 back when I got scammed by a donator memeber with good trust. It cost me a fewBTC when we were over $800...never again.

Sure account sells can (and sometimes do) provide private keys to addresses associated with an account, however the presence of a signed message when giving a loan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054247.0;all) will at least prove ownership of the account and will give you a reasonable assurance that the account is not hacked. The reason why Operatr is not going to repay the loan is because there were rumors that the account was hacked, so he instead went on a scamming spree.

I noticed that puzzel.me has a history of farming trust so he will appear to be trustworthy to be able to scam for large amounts, however likely did not this time around because he knew he couldn't sign a message so people would know not to lend to him in the future.

In my experience people who turn out to be scammer often get scammed themselves because they are so willing to trade without escrow in order to build up a reputation around having a lot of successful no-escrow trades. IMO someone who has a long history of doing no escrow trades and a lot of feedback from untrusted members is likely planning a long con, and there is a good chance that a good amount of them are from his alts. The same is true for people who give out loans with no collateral.

This is not the first time that zazarb has been scammed while not using escrow and his trust history does not reflect him ever using escrow despite being aware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=839660.msg9373530#msg9373530) of the concept of using escrow.

The suggestion of getting a signed message was in reference to the loan, not the trade - there is no reason for anyone to send first with Operatr

yes I have scamed, but without loss, becouse PayPal chargeback me after dispute.
And This case i other, my precautions "sleep" by reason of"hero" status.

This is unexpected news.
And sorry for your loss. Lend more carefull next time.
Actually lending business become more risky then gambling  :-\

This,


it is risky if you do not know what you are doing... and a lot of people don't know what they are doing. However, under these circumstances I do not think Operatr will repay Neotox and the OP so he will stay 'marked' red for ever.

if I repay my debt, my feedback will restored to neutral and negative trust will removed?

Your word doesn't mean much:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054247.msg11319277#msg11319277

If I were you, and you are at all serious about clearing your name, re-add that personal text right away.   :-\

done

Now repay your loan on the 15th, don't ask or PM for any other loans in the meantime, and you should be good.

Hero status dont mean anything use escrow next time. and learn from your mistake.  if no trades are done in his profile becareful.

He/she owes me 0.15 too. Not that I want it back even, but I'll be really puzzled by the amount of "social engineering" effort he/she put into this to scam such small amounts.
Tagging him/her for now, will see.