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Title: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 04, 2012, 01:05:46 AM Regardless of VGA, drivers, settings, CPU bugs, output, user interface etc.
Which miner gives the highest Hash Rate? EDIT: I say it is Phoenix-1.64/phatk2 with ATI 11.9 for 5xxx and 6xxx cards Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: grue on September 04, 2012, 01:09:12 AM if you take out the output, user interface, all you're left with is the kernel, which is the same for all the major miners. (just swap the kernel file)
Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 04, 2012, 01:12:19 AM Don't try to be a smartass, just answer the question! :)
In my experience Phoenix 1.64 with phatk2 gives 20-30MH/s than anything else. But it has been almost an year since I'm using that combo, isn't there anything faster nowadays? Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 04, 2012, 01:22:30 AM Well it's always different for every piece of hardware! A lot of the programs already use the same kernels, so it's just a matter of how to provide work fast enough for the GPU to stay busy. In that regard, I've always used CGMiner.
As far as the kernel goes, phatk2 might give you better results (are you on 5xxx cards?), but for me, I lose 20-30MH/s going from poclbm to phatk (7xxx cards). It all depends on your GPU type, driver, SDK, core speed, mem speed, vectors, worksize... etc. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 04, 2012, 12:46:25 PM Yes, mainly it depends on driver and SDK:
Phoenix/phatk2, ATI 11.9
CG or GUI/poclbm - ATI 12.4
This is with optimal flags, and for the first one of course with CPU bug. All my GPUs are 5xxx series, but it goes the same for the 6xxx series. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 04, 2012, 02:22:54 PM Yes, mainly it depends on driver and SDK: Phoenix/phatk2, ATI 11.9
CG or GUI/poclbm - ATI 12.4
This is with optimal flags, and for the first one of course with CPU bug. All my GPUs are 5xxx series, but it goes the same for the 6xxx series. IIRC, 12.4 has SDK2.6, which will account for your loss speed. Drivers themselves don't really affect your hash speed a significant amount, but the SDK that gets bundled with the drives does. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 05, 2012, 10:25:18 PM Thanks for the explanation dude, but this are things I know for more than 1 year now. Just because I'm new to the forum doesn't mean that I'm a noob :)
So anyways no constructive answers and from what I read CG miner does nothing that I cant do with a few .bat files so I'm sticking with the good old Phoenix/phatk2 Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 06, 2012, 12:44:09 AM Thanks for the explanation dude, but this are things I know for more than 1 year now. Just because I'm new to the forum doesn't mean that I'm a noob :) Haha I'm not in the habit of checking every person's join date when they ask a Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 06, 2012, 09:34:37 AM ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It is not impossible, it is hard do answer :P I just wanted to save some time from checking each miner thread, hoping that someone will tell me, no there isn't anything new faster than phatk2 with the old sdk but I guess I had to do my own homework :D Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 06, 2012, 01:50:37 PM Regardless of VGA, drivers, settings, CPU bugs, output, user interface etc. You asking the wrong question? You should be asking, which miner will make you most money with your rig(s).Which miner gives the highest Hash Rate? EDIT: I say it is Phoenix-1.64/phatk2 with ATI 11.9 I'd say cgminer because of its control features, remote API and statistics. You can tweak it to perform best with YOUR particular hardware. I'm still using cgminer because of it's control, but technically Diablo gets me ~5-6MH/s more, even if cgminer is using diablo's kernel with the same settings. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Fiyasko on September 06, 2012, 03:32:40 PM Well well, I was about to walk in and go "your an idiot, It's based off your hardware"
and read the OP and thought "Hmm, That really is something to wonder" But ultimatley, This question is NEARLY unanswerable, Your gonna need all of the Minning Software creators to run through testing of Evverrry set of settings for every set of drivers/hardware Sheesh, You really almost cannot answer this question correctly. Ofcourse YOUR gonna feel that Phoenix-1.64/phatk2 with ATI 11.9 is the best But that Only because of your 5xxx series card (seriously) If i try Phatk2 with my 7xxx I lose 80mh/s And i Cant even USE <Cat 12.x Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 06, 2012, 03:42:59 PM Well well, I was about to walk in and go "your an idiot, It's based off your hardware" and read the OP and thought "Hmm, That really is something to wonder" But ultimatley, This question is NEARLY unanswerable, Your gonna need all of the Minning Software creators to run through testing of Evverrry set of settings for every set of drivers/hardware Sheesh, You really almost cannot answer this question correctly. Ofcourse YOUR gonna feel that Phoenix-1.64/phatk2 with ATI 11.9 is the best But that Only because of your 5xxx series card (seriously) If i try Phatk2 with my 7xxx I lose 80mh/s And i Cant even USE <Cat 12.x Phatk is a kernel. He's asking about mining software. Phoenix and cgminer both use the phatk kernel. On the same hardware, OS, driver, SDK, kernel, vectors, worksize, etc, will cgminer run faster than phoenix? Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Fiyasko on September 06, 2012, 05:12:18 PM -Snip- Phatk is a kernel. He's asking about mining software. Phoenix and cgminer both use the phatk kernel. On the same hardware, OS, driver, SDK, kernel, vectors, worksize, etc, will cgminer run faster than phoenix? Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on September 06, 2012, 11:44:27 PM You asking the wrong question? You should be asking, which miner will make you most money with your rig(s). It isn't the wrong question, because I don't care how much electricity i use up and I don't care about statistics and tweaks because I can do them all with .bat files and some controllers.I'd say cgminer because of its control features, remote API and statistics. You can tweak it to perform best with YOUR particular hardware. I have been mining before the time of GUI interfaces and CG miner, so I had to figure my own ways of doing that. ...Phoenix and cgminer both use the phatk kernel... To my knowledge CG miner is 20-30MH/s slower than Phoenix with the old SDK. Correct me if I'm wrong?I'm talking about GPUs from 6xxx and 5xxx series there is no question about what should be used with 7xxx cards. I should have put a 5xxx and 6xxx series cards in the topic, my fault. Maybe we should compare our results to see who can make the highest. I would say we should compare same GPUs with same frequencies. I will give you my results: Phoenix/phatk2 - VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=256 FASTLOOP=false 5830 - 900/300MHz - 302Mh/s 5850 - 900/300MHz - 376MH/s 5870 - 900/300MHz - 418MH/s If anyone can pull more MH/s on those frequencies please tell us how? :) (I have chosen lower freq so everyone can test at this frequencies, this are my average results) Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 07, 2012, 01:52:42 AM I don't have any more 5xxx cards, sorry.
Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Fiyasko on September 07, 2012, 04:26:36 AM -Snip- -Snip-...Phoenix and cgminer both use the phatk kernel For my cards... <-Ftfy To my knowledge CG miner is 20-30MH/s slower than Phoenix with the old SDK. Correct me if I'm wrong?-Snip- CGminer auto chooses what it believes is the best kernal for your card. I have CG miner running on three different machines, One chose Diablo (my 7000) It chose Phatk2 for my duo 6870's And chose phatk for the 5830 Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: zvs on September 12, 2012, 05:26:40 PM You asking the wrong question? You should be asking, which miner will make you most money with your rig(s). It isn't the wrong question, because I don't care how much electricity i use up and I don't care about statistics and tweaks because I can do them all with .bat files and some controllers.I'd say cgminer because of its control features, remote API and statistics. You can tweak it to perform best with YOUR particular hardware. I have been mining before the time of GUI interfaces and CG miner, so I had to figure my own ways of doing that. ...Phoenix and cgminer both use the phatk kernel... To my knowledge CG miner is 20-30MH/s slower than Phoenix with the old SDK. Correct me if I'm wrong?I'm talking about GPUs from 6xxx and 5xxx series there is no question about what should be used with 7xxx cards. I should have put a 5xxx and 6xxx series cards in the topic, my fault. Maybe we should compare our results to see who can make the highest. I would say we should compare same GPUs with same frequencies. I will give you my results: Phoenix/phatk2 - VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=256 FASTLOOP=false 5830 - 900/300MHz - 302Mh/s 5850 - 900/300MHz - 376MH/s 5870 - 900/300MHz - 418MH/s If anyone can pull more MH/s on those frequencies please tell us how? :) (I have chosen lower freq so everyone can test at this frequencies, this are my average results) that looks to be about what i'd get for 5830 & 5870, I use phoenix w/ aggression 9 (and set process to real-time priority) but as i recall, something like 325 memory would be optimum for 900 and 256 worksize. i've switched to 195 memory and 128 worksize, keeps cards cooler and only lose a few mhash Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: coinrider on September 12, 2012, 08:58:10 PM Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on September 12, 2012, 09:12:46 PM He's talking about GPU mining, not CPU mining. 100s or even 1000s of times faster.
Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Fiyasko on September 13, 2012, 12:55:31 PM Get an ati/amd GPU, Mining with a CPU is totally worthless Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: coinrider on September 13, 2012, 05:23:36 PM Okay, thanks for telling me.
After that trial with cpu, tried mining with my hd4570 but I think it's worthless. Hashing speed with cgminer and with an extra flag value gets up to 10 M/Hash per sec. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Fiyasko on September 14, 2012, 04:38:52 AM Okay, thanks for telling me. Uh... Im sorry to say this but practically NO laptop is going to beable to mine, Also i HARSHLY advise you to not attempt to mine with a laptop, Doing so will reduce it's lifespan Drastically.After that trial with cpu, tried mining with my hd4570 but I think it's worthless. Hashing speed with cgminer and with an extra flag value gets up to 10 M/Hash per sec. Take a look here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison at the performances. Things like a $70 5830 get 250-300mh/s Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: DoomDumas on October 15, 2012, 01:18:05 AM I've been using POCLBM for more then a year, then switched to cgminer : got a 20% increase in hasrate (5970 cards) Just the miner changed.. I love very much the fan/clock control included in cgminer, as I had several issue with afterburner bugging.. this FU___ afterburner froze and it let one of my GPU overeat a lot (114 celcius), ram died, result, a scrap 5970 ! ouch
Then, I've made the mistake to update the Catalyst stuff including the SDK, (SDK 2.4 to 2.6) lost 10% performance.. have try a one shot uninstall and re-install SDK to downgrade to 2.4, failed.. I know sometimes it gets tricky to downgrade ATI (AMD) Soft :S did'nt push it more for now.. Lesson learn, I'll never mine again with a miner that has no fan/clock embeded control... I'll love those failsafe too in cgminer ! that was my 2 satoshi ! Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: king_pin on October 16, 2012, 08:35:07 AM I've been using POCLBM for more then a year, then switched to cgminer : got a 20% increase in hasrate (5970 cards) Just the miner changed.. I love very much the fan/clock control included in cgminer, as I had several issue with afterburner bugging.. this FU___ afterburner froze and it let one of my GPU overeat a lot (114 celcius), ram died, result, a scrap 5970 ! ouch How much do you make with your 5870?Then, I've made the mistake to update the Catalyst stuff including the SDK, (SDK 2.4 to 2.6) lost 10% performance.. have try a one shot uninstall and re-install SDK to downgrade to 2.4, failed.. I know sometimes it gets tricky to downgrade ATI (AMD) Soft :S did'nt push it more for now.. Lesson learn, I'll never mine again with a miner that has no fan/clock embeded control... I'll love those failsafe too in cgminer ! that was my 2 satoshi ! Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: DoomDumas on October 17, 2012, 04:44:17 AM I've been using POCLBM for more then a year, then switched to cgminer : got a 20% increase in hasrate (5970 cards) Just the miner changed.. I love very much the fan/clock control included in cgminer, as I had several issue with afterburner bugging.. this FU___ afterburner froze and it let one of my GPU overeat a lot (114 celcius), ram died, result, a scrap 5970 ! ouch How much do you make with your 5870?Then, I've made the mistake to update the Catalyst stuff including the SDK, (SDK 2.4 to 2.6) lost 10% performance.. have try a one shot uninstall and re-install SDK to downgrade to 2.4, failed.. I know sometimes it gets tricky to downgrade ATI (AMD) Soft :S did'nt push it more for now.. Lesson learn, I'll never mine again with a miner that has no fan/clock embeded control... I'll love those failsafe too in cgminer ! that was my 2 satoshi ! 5870 ? do you mean the 5970 that has broken RAM ? 0, dead card.. my 5970 run poorly at 295 Mh/s by core, have 2 5770 that runs at 180 Mh/s each, bad SDK version, running dynamic mode, not OC on my day-to-day computer.. Working a night or two on my mining rigs, I would be able to pump all those a bit, but dont have the courage ! ;) watch my mining box here : http://youtu.be/qfCe5rN87PQ Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: K1773R on October 18, 2012, 06:20:45 AM Regardless of VGA, drivers, settings, CPU bugs, output, user interface etc. GPUS/FPGAS: BFGMinerWhich miner gives the highest Hash Rate? EDIT: I say it is Phoenix-1.64/phatk2 with ATI 11.9 for 5xxx and 6xxx cards CPUS: pooler-cpuminer Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: dyingdreams on October 23, 2012, 07:28:32 AM To my knowledge CG miner is 20-30MH/s slower than Phoenix with the old SDK. Correct me if I'm wrong? I'm talking about GPUs from 6xxx and 5xxx series there is no question about what should be used with 7xxx cards. I should have put a 5xxx and 6xxx series cards in the topic, my fault. Maybe we should compare our results to see who can make the highest. I would say we should compare same GPUs with same frequencies. I will give you my results: Phoenix/phatk2 - VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=256 FASTLOOP=false 5830 - 900/300MHz - 302Mh/s 5850 - 900/300MHz - 376MH/s 5870 - 900/300MHz - 418MH/s If anyone can pull more MH/s on those frequencies please tell us how? :) (I have chosen lower freq so everyone can test at this frequencies, this are my average results) Can you give more details about exactly what files you're using, or what SDK and/or driver package you downloaded? I'd like to be able to make an equal comparison with my 5830s, but I can't even find a copy of Phoenix 1.6.4, and I don't know what SDK you're using. I downloaded Catalyst 11.9, but that appears to come with SDK 2.5; if I can get the same files as you I'd be willing to do a fresh install of Windows to see if I can get those numbers. As it stands, I've been using latest drivers/SDK and Phoenix 2 (Phoenix 1.7.5 gets 1-2 less Mh/s), and I get around 315Mh/s at 980/1000 with VECTORS4 BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=128 FASTLOOP=false. If I put the memory clock down to 300mhz I get around 255Mh/s, if I do that and change my settings to yours I get around 272Mh/s, and if I change my settings to yours with the memory clock at 1000mhz I get around 287Mh/s. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: K1773R on October 23, 2012, 07:52:35 AM Quote How much do you make with your 5870? my 5970 run poorly at 295 Mh/s by core, have 2 5770 that runs at 180 Mh/s each, bad SDK version, running dynamic mode, not OC on my day-to-day computer.. Working a night or two on my mining rigs, I would be able to pump all those a bit, but dont have the courage ! ;) watch my mining box here : http://youtu.be/qfCe5rN87PQ Some friendly advise here if that really is your setup DoomDumas Am sorry to say this but your rig you got setup their is 1 a fire hazard 2 the PSU your using is also anther fire hazard. With enclosing into a box like it is that is casing it to close all heat inside and actually have no air flow or very little. if you want good air flow within a closed box like you hav you need a push pull configuration x amount of fans taking in cold air x amount taking hot air out same on box but they way you have it set up is a total mess. Friend you need to understand how air flow works is your temps for your rig will solely increase due to the amount of heat that the GPUs are giving off despite your number of fans you have on the sides it wont be enough. You are enclosing all heat. It would be far better to take that down stand the unit up with the side panel off the tower and actual target fans towards components that need most air flow going in or enclose as is stand up and have a what is called push pull configuration x amount of fans the back of tower x amount on face of case and some on top if you got right case and also on side Cant explain any more clear than this http://i48.tinypic.com/nqy7sx.jpg This will actualy stop your components from over heating and causing a fail or crash from over heating. Just some simple advise and tips. I wouldn't want all that heating up what you got and it not re starting up. Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: zvs on October 23, 2012, 02:06:53 PM To my knowledge CG miner is 20-30MH/s slower than Phoenix with the old SDK. Correct me if I'm wrong? I'm talking about GPUs from 6xxx and 5xxx series there is no question about what should be used with 7xxx cards. I should have put a 5xxx and 6xxx series cards in the topic, my fault. Maybe we should compare our results to see who can make the highest. I would say we should compare same GPUs with same frequencies. I will give you my results: Phoenix/phatk2 - VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=256 FASTLOOP=false 5830 - 900/300MHz - 302Mh/s 5850 - 900/300MHz - 376MH/s 5870 - 900/300MHz - 418MH/s If anyone can pull more MH/s on those frequencies please tell us how? :) (I have chosen lower freq so everyone can test at this frequencies, this are my average results) Can you give more details about exactly what files you're using, or what SDK and/or driver package you downloaded? I'd like to be able to make an equal comparison with my 5830s, but I can't even find a copy of Phoenix 1.6.4, and I don't know what SDK you're using. I downloaded Catalyst 11.9, but that appears to come with SDK 2.5; if I can get the same files as you I'd be willing to do a fresh install of Windows to see if I can get those numbers. As it stands, I've been using latest drivers/SDK and Phoenix 2 (Phoenix 1.7.5 gets 1-2 less Mh/s), and I get around 315Mh/s at 980/1000 with VECTORS4 BFI_INT AGGRESSION=12 WORKSIZE=128 FASTLOOP=false. If I put the memory clock down to 300mhz I get around 255Mh/s, if I do that and change my settings to yours I get around 272Mh/s, and if I change my settings to yours with the memory clock at 1000mhz I get around 287Mh/s. (edit: well, i already replied to this, but.. everything is pretty much the same except for dropping the mem clock a bit, when i run the cards at 1000 i increase mem clock to 199 for 128worksize, 299 for 256) well, you shouldn't be using latest drivers/SDK, they all require the high memory settings. i have a system with three 5830's, but for the last 3 or 4 months i've been running them at 1.063v instead of 1.163v (not for energy efficiency, since my elec is <7c/kwh, just from heat issues)... but at 1.063v, 925core, 180memory, 9 aggression, 128 worksize, they get a little over 290mhash.. that's in windows 7, 2.5sdk, and whatever driver is in catalyst 11.11 Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Richy_T on October 24, 2012, 04:04:56 AM Uh... Im sorry to say this but practically NO laptop is going to beable to mine, Not necessarily true :D http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/53847.jpg *(I have no idea if this works for mining). Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: GenTarkin on October 24, 2012, 02:57:34 PM cgminer =)
Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: Richy_T on October 24, 2012, 03:39:05 PM Title: Re: Which is the fastest miner? Post by: crazyates on October 24, 2012, 07:50:13 PM Uh... Im sorry to say this but practically NO laptop is going to beable to mine, Not necessarily true :D http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/53847.jpg *(I have no idea if this works for mining). I got a better idea: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=70611.msg1093800#msg1093800 ;) |
