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A scammer gave me a Negative trust because He Defaulted in loan that He lend from me.

BitcoinBoss666 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=397255
I take loan from him 0.1. I dont pay it on time but he get my senior account worth min.0.3BTC and he call me scammer. What the fuck.

Proof:

See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981979.msg10702167#msg10702167
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981979.msg11292221#msg11292221
camelson  Original Loaner

Now this account is Under my Control.

He is a Scammer or Not?
What should I do with This guy

Nothing you can do but ignore him.  His trust means nothing.

You still show as
Trust:   0: -0 / +1(1)

which means soon you will have positive trust.  :)

There's nothing you can do about the feedback unless you can get him to remove it but the account is yours if he gave it up as collateral and hasn't met the payment terms. Was it cryptoforcause who defaulted? What does he have to do with this?

Yes He is a cryptoforcause  who defaulted the Loan, He gave this account to an escrow (MZ) as collateral, and when he defaulted after 24 hours MZ sent me the detail of that account. Now cryptoforcause is under my control.

It's camelson not cryptoforcause.

There's actually nothing you can do about it, honestly, unless he removed the feedback himself. Also, you have the control of the account right?

Ohhh yes thanks for the correction, He is a camelson Not the cryptoforcause.

Im sorry about my mistake.


Yes! I have the control of that account.

There are these people on the forum. They scam and leave neg trust on the victim. Dont care too much, he is not in the default trust, so his trust rating actually mean nothing.
Maybe you just discuss with him, work something out if you want, but thats not neccesary. Such trust mean nothing, for example Vod or other scam busters, he is one of the most trustable members here on the forum, but he still has tons of neg trust.

Now this scammer want me to return his account.

http://s22.postimg.org/6tya949j5/sdfef.png

Should I return his account so that he can scam other people too?

Ignore him.

Senior account worth 0.1 ? you really joke. This account is worth min 0.3BTC. You earn 0.2BTC on this loan and call me scammer? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are a scammer because you didn't repay the loan.  Not difficult to understand.

It's not how much the collateral is worth. You should have asked more BTC or gave less valuable collateral or at least pay him promptly. Note that, the account was Full Member when he used it as collateral. You didn't pay on time and now asking the account realizing it became Sr. Member and is more valuable. Go away!

Yea im scammer becouse he earn 0.2BTC on this loan. Good job. That why he get collateral worth 300%, and now he call me scammer. If i take loan without collateral he can call me scammer. But he earn 300% on this loan !

You have to be very careful on these forums.
It's a shitnest of bandits and thieves for the most part, so be alert.

Shame you got scammed like that. in the future maybe consider using escrow
99% of the time you use escrtow you'll be fine.. just make sure they are trusted. :)

What a bullshit. I know my account will be senior in 10 days after i take loan. And i even type in in request. He earn 300% on this loan and you call me scammers. Nice forums and nice members.

And you Know that you are Not going to Return me Loan you got from me? LOL, Did you paid me on Time? If you had had repaid me then I surely return this account to you before the end Date. But you never paid me, And Now you are asking me for that account.
If I say I had sold that account for .1 BTC when It was a full member?

Just sell the account to someone else.  Recover your 0.1btc, and if you make a little profit, good for you!  Maybe BB666 will learn to repay his debts on time.

You didn't pay the loan and now asking the collateral back realizing the value? You should have repaid the loan if you don't want to loose this account. You are calling him a scammer because he was lucky to get a 300% collateral? Lender become the owner of collateral if the loan is defaulted. You should really learn more.


Do you know what you are talking about?

P.S. @irfan_pak10: If BitcoinBoss666 wants that account, sell it to him at the current market value.

I try to pay this loan but i have some problem. I know you will dont sell my account when it was full member. I try to pay you when you call me scammer. Before that(after i dont pay my loan) i think it is ok that you earn 0.2BTC on this loan.
Close this thread becouse this have non sense.

This is interesting.  In an extreme case, if someone hypothetically provided 10x collateral on a loan and defaulted, you would label them a scammer?  

I would've assumed the collateral is part of the "deal" such that, whether or not the original loan amount is repaid, the lender is satisfied (else the conditions of collateral wouldn't be agreed to).

I know he is owner of this account now you dont need to teach me. And he tell my account worth 0.1btc that why i want it back becouse this is bullshit. He will earn this 0.1 in 2 weeks from signature campaign.

That's a good point.  If I owed the bank $100 and they had $200 in my RRSPs as collateral, they would probably return the extra $100 to me after the initial debt was satisfied.

It seems that the OP somehow knew that BitcoinBoss666 was an alt of the person who took out the loan, so he gave him negative trust ~a week ago. Then BitcoinBoss666 saw the trust and didn't like it so he left a negative on the OP saying that even though he defaulted the collateral was worth much more then the loan amount so he should not be labeled a scammer. (The fact that you cannot give any kind of trust rebuttal or response is a flaw in the trust system).

I don't think anyone got scammed here. The OP gave a loan for .1 but got .3 worth of collateral. He profits regardless if the loan is repaid. BitcoinBoss666 consented to giving his account as collateral for the .1 loan and when his gambling strategy didn't work out he lost his account (this is pretty clearly a gambling loan).

I don't think the trust given to the OP was calling him a scammer but was rather giving a rebuttal to the rating that was left on his trust profile.

IMO, if a rebuttal or a response could be left then we would probably see less retaliatory feedback left and would probably see less drama regarding the trust system (but maybe not very much less).

The defaulted borrower deceived irfan_pak10 for his financial gain. So he is a scammer.


He can do whatever with that account. None of your concern.

Thank you. You have right.
Btw: They know i am alt becouse Muhammed Zakir(he was escrow) ask how to contact with me when i take loan.

I shouldnt gave him a Neg trust so that he can SCAM Others too?

I never scam nobody. You earn +200% on this loan and you call it scam? What is wrong with you?

This was pretty clear that this was a gambling loan (there is no other reason to borrow such a small amount lol). I don't think it is his fault that he lost/busted/ect. The OP still profited from the deal. In order to be a scammer you need to either steal property from someone or try to steal property from someone. Who did he steal from? Please note that the OP ended up with more property then he started with.

Its Not the thing that How much profit I made from that Account, It's the thing that you defaulted in the Loan

You have made your point.  I would just stop replying to him and do whatever you want with the collateral.

There was no agreement that you would refund excess amounts, was there?  (In the future, though, I think this might happen!)

Who did he scam? He took out a loan and you ended up with something that is worth triple the amount you lent.

If you got a signed message from the OP to confirm ownership and you *really* feel scammed then I'll cover his loan, however I will need you to give me the collateral you received.

It is think becouse you earn much money on this loan. I dont pay it but you earn on it. Please learn what is scam.

in my opinion You all guys should not  share your judgement without knows that guy or dealing with anything before

Maybe He got Any Problem and he not payback on Time. that doesn't mean that he is scammer. and U already is BCT Account which Worth is More than  0.3 BTC.

I don't understand why u calling him scammer  ???

You defaulted a loan. Isn't that a scam? When you took the loan, the value of the account was somewhat same but after it became Sr. Member, the value increased and you aren't scammer and you want the account back?


But... When he took the loan, the value of the account was somewhat same but after it became Sr. Member, the value increased. Then telling he isn't a scammer because Irfan got more than he gave doesn't make sense. Scam doesn't mean "stealing", it means deceiving a person for financial/personal gain

I told you again. My account was senior before end of loan and i know it very good(I type it in request).

Okay so say the value is the same. The lender would still profit.

When altcoins are used as collateral a standard condition is that if the value of the altcoins falls below a certain threshold then they can be sold to cover the amount of the loan. I would say that often the borrower would not technically pay back the loan in those cases however they would not be a scammer.

There is not even a case of deception here. I assume the loan agreement to be something along the lines of the borrows will repay a certain amount by a certain date, and if this does not happen then the collateral will become the property of the lender.

I would restate my offer to make the OP "whole" by reimbursing the amount he was "scammed" aka the repayment amount if he is willing to give me the account (assuming he has a signed message). 

I can give you signed message to all addies.

No use unless irfan_pak10 is ready to give account to QS for 0.1BTC. IMHO he should sell it for a higher price.

He should give it becouse he call it scam ! Higher price ? that mean he will earn on this loan? And you call this scam. You are his friend and you will always defend him.

In his point of view, this is a scam but I don't see why he should give the account he owns to you.

I will act upon the Vod's Advice and other people, And going to lock that thread.
Thanks