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Title: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paulie_w on September 06, 2012, 01:05:45 AM
because maybe that is the one to use, or not to.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: onesalt on September 06, 2012, 01:07:24 AM
None of them have been "hacked", the owner has just decided it'd be more profitable to steal all the bitcoins and claim he was.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 06, 2012, 01:18:55 AM
I dont think cryptoxchange.com has been hacked.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paraipan on September 06, 2012, 01:22:58 AM
I dont think cryptoxchange.com has been hacked.

yet, just wait for the price to go up and be sure some motivated individual would be on the job


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paulie_w on September 06, 2012, 01:24:25 AM
place your bets gentlemen.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: BkkCoins on September 06, 2012, 01:53:41 AM
You're not a REAL Bitcoin exchange until you've been hacked and survived.   :-*


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paulie_w on September 06, 2012, 02:08:44 AM
i think that's probably true.

so, who's your money on?


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: BinaryMage on September 06, 2012, 02:36:45 AM
You don't hear about the ones that haven't been hacked.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: eroxors on September 06, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
vircurex?


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: BinaryMage on September 06, 2012, 02:49:17 AM
vircurex?

Case in point.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: dust on September 06, 2012, 05:47:18 AM
Intersango. Security experts.  ;D


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: ArticMine on September 06, 2012, 05:55:28 AM
Virtex has not been hacked.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: epetroel on September 06, 2012, 12:36:29 PM
CampBX hasn't been hacked yet (as far as I know)


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: Endgame on September 06, 2012, 01:57:32 PM
Bitstamp hasn't been hacked either AFAIK


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: TangibleCryptography on September 06, 2012, 02:11:52 PM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: ribuck on September 06, 2012, 02:23:53 PM
Intersango. Security experts.  ;D
Not hacked perhaps, but these "security experts" managed to leak a list of all their users' email addresses.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: dust on September 06, 2012, 04:03:04 PM
Intersango. Security experts.  ;D
Not hacked perhaps, but these "security experts" managed to leak a list of all their users' email addresses.
Ah.  I missed that.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: SgtSpike on September 06, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.
YES there absolutely would be.  I would use it hands down over any other service.  I would much rather know that all of my coins are safe and have delayed withdrawals than have instant withdrawals with the constant threat of a hack looming over me...


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paulie_w on September 06, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.
YES there absolutely would be.  I would use it hands down over any other service.  I would much rather know that all of my coins are safe and have delayed withdrawals than have instant withdrawals with the constant threat of a hack looming over me...

+1


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paraipan on September 06, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.
YES there absolutely would be.  I would use it hands down over any other service.  I would much rather know that all of my coins are safe and have delayed withdrawals than have instant withdrawals with the constant threat of a hack looming over me...

+1

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Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: caveden on September 06, 2012, 04:29:53 PM
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.

Most bank transfer take ~24h, so I'd say people might tolerate if you manage to execute them daily. Assuming you explain the reason well enough.

EDIT: A very-small hot wallet, which would frequently get depleted, but that could be refunded daily too, might be even better. By very-low I mean with an amount that you could assure you can refund from your own pockets in case of a hack.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: smickles on September 06, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.

Are you kidding? That would be much better than an exchange which uses a hot wallet.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: SgtSpike on September 06, 2012, 11:21:47 PM
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.

Most bank transfer take ~24h, so I'd say people might tolerate if you manage to execute them daily. Assuming you explain the reason well enough.

EDIT: A very-small hot wallet, which would frequently get depleted, but that could be refunded daily too, might be even better. By very-low I mean with an amount that you could assure you can refund from your own pockets in case of a hack.
This is what it pretty much comes down to.  No exchange should operate with a hot wallet larger than the exchange operator is willing to reimburse out of their own pocket.  Everything else goes into cold storage.  If the exchange operator doesn't want to reimburse anything in the event of a hack, then they shouldn't have a hot wallet.  Period.

At this point, it's not a question of if an exchange will be hacked, it is a question of when, and what the procedures of the exchange will be afterward.


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on September 07, 2012, 01:46:32 AM
I dont think cryptoxchange.com has been hacked.

I'm in!

I wonder what's the over/under on it being hacked within the next 60 days. Now, what is the name of that Bitcoin future event betting site?

~Bruno~ (not cackling)


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: bigasic on September 07, 2012, 02:06:49 AM
Bitfloor totally smells like an inside job. I'm not a security expert, but the timing of events seem to just, well, stinks...

It seems like all these companies that are only making a couple grand a month are just too tempted when they have access to tens of thousands of bitcoins and then blame the events on a mysterious "hacker"..

The most logical choice is that most of them have been inside jobs, if not all of them...


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: paulie_w on September 07, 2012, 03:37:12 AM
exit strategy


Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 07, 2012, 04:44:07 AM
Tangible Cryptography isn't an exchange more like a Bitcoin broker but we haven't been hacked.

I guess we are just too quaint and low tech.  You know 100% cold storage, batch processing of orders with manual verification, enterprise grade database with host based encryption, and GPG protected messaging.  All that boring stuff.

I wonder if we should consider opening an exchange? 
I don't know if there would be any interest in an exchange with 100% cold storage and delayed withdraws.

I would use it primarily because there is no hot wallet to steal. This means if a hack happens you wont need to "redistribute" the remaining funds equally to all account holders and for everyone to take  a haircut to cover the loss. I would use this over any other web wallet service. 



Title: Re: has ANY bitcoin exchange not been hacked?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 07, 2012, 04:48:57 AM
I dont think cryptoxchange.com has been hacked.

I'm in!

I wonder what's the over/under on it being hacked within the next 60 days. Now, what is the name of that Bitcoin future event betting site?

~Bruno~ (not cackling)

The main problem with them is the liquidity is terrible. But they have spent a lot of money on enterprise level security which doesnt come cheap. People who think you can open an exchange without any cost are retarded.

They have had situations where bank accounts were stolen and the thief tried to withdraw thousands of dollars but because of security measures in place they lost very little.