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Title: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: remotemass on May 15, 2015, 06:00:26 PM
Interesting, to get Google to auto-complete with:
The times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
You only need to type "The Times 0".


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: NeuroticFish on May 15, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
I tried this for fun. The result is disappointing for you. The auto-complete gave me
The Times 0f India (yes with zero, no I'm not from India).... strange....


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: juju on May 15, 2015, 06:09:13 PM
Interesting, to get Google to auto-complete with:
The times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
You only need to type "The Times 0".

Did not work for me while NOT being logged into a google account. I beleive it is because if you are logged into Google, they modify your search results based on previous searches. While logged in and working on some programming projects for extended period of time, x Langague will appear in my auto-complete for searches.



Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: gentlemand on May 15, 2015, 06:10:37 PM
No exciting hits for me either. I'll try again in five years and it'll probably take me straight to churchofsatoshi.org


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: remotemass on May 15, 2015, 06:10:58 PM
Yeah, maybe is that.
Here is a screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/eCxC0Ic.png


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Kyraishi on May 15, 2015, 06:12:21 PM
Yeah, maybe is that.
Here is a screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/eCxC0Ic.png

I think your are only getting what you have googled before.
I don't get that result either.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: remotemass on May 15, 2015, 06:15:13 PM
Wait, I logged out and it still completes it as I said.
I am in London, in the UK.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: SpanishSoldier on May 15, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
Wait, I logged out and it still completes it as I said.
I am in London, in the UK.

Have you searched the complete phrase before ?


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Kyraishi on May 15, 2015, 06:18:06 PM
Wait, I logged out and it still completes it as I said.
I am in London, in the UK.

I don't think it matters if you are logged in or not.
If you have searched that before from the same computer then google has that information stored,
therefor automatically showing what they believe you are looking for.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: futureofbitcoin on May 15, 2015, 06:24:01 PM
I tried this for fun. The result is disappointing for you. The auto-complete gave me
The Times 0f India (yes with zero, no I'm not from India).... strange....
This. Except it's the times 0f india.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: franky1 on May 15, 2015, 06:30:39 PM
if people search for bitcoins on google for the last 4 years then it makes sense that the results would prioritize content based on favourite topics.

for instance i have been playing GTA 5 alot (its great stress reliever). and when i type in:
meteor
observatory
UFO
guns
cars


it doesnt show any random results about astronomy, science fiction, hunting or murders, or car sales websites. but instead shows the top links as GTA based sites... even if i never type in the words GTA search term.

thus i tried "The Times 0" and got:
https://i.imgur.com/YoeYHt5.png
(on a web browser with cleared cache and deleted history, that i dont use for my bitcoin activity)


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Meuh6879 on May 15, 2015, 06:46:36 PM
when you use a not profiled motor ... you have  ;D neutral search.

try https://duckduckgo.com/  ;)


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: remotemass on May 15, 2015, 06:53:42 PM
I had to add the "3" but I also get something here:

https://i.imgur.com/XdC550v.png


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Meuh6879 on May 15, 2015, 08:16:56 PM
added OpenDNS and it's good.  :D



i don't have your answer ... on the time 0 and the time 03 ...  :D




I'm no-one.
https://girlonthecontrary.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/picture-110.png


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: El Emperador on May 15, 2015, 08:21:56 PM
Yes, I've just tried and completed the sentence like OP.
 I'm not logged in, I run firefox as incognito mode and have just cleaned my cookies.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 15, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
when you use a not profiled motor ... you have  ;D neutral search.

try https://duckduckgo.com/  ;)

+1

Been using it for about 9 months now. Only use Google when I'm really struggling to find something unusual, which is rare. DuckDuckGo normally finds my queries.



Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: tspacepilot on May 16, 2015, 03:19:25 AM
Yes, I've just tried and completed the sentence like OP.
 I'm not logged in, I run firefox as incognito mode and have just cleaned my cookies.

Right, so what you're seeing is that you and OP have something similar in Google's model of the things you search.  This is not terribly surprising, google doesn't just show you things from the history of what you've searched.  It shows you things you're "likely" to want to search given your history.

Logging in merely associates your searches with your account---google is still going to associate them with your IP and other data it can collect from your query (browser, OS, etc).  Same goes for incognito mode and cookies---google does it's data collection severside no matter what settings you use in your browser.

FWIW, I got the "the times 0f india ..."  :)


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: franky1 on May 16, 2015, 03:49:51 AM
as for duckduckgo.. "the times 03" does not reference bitcoin. it references a british newspaper.

as for using duckduckgo. using the term "bit"
i got things like bittorrant, bitdefender, bitter lemon

as for using duckduckgo. using the term "bitc"
i got bitches, bitch slap, bitcommet

so i fail to see that bitcoin is topping any international standard searches.. and just topping your personal searches based on personal tendencies.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Omikifuse on May 16, 2015, 04:27:59 AM
I got the times 0f India too

???


And when I put the 3, I get the times 03/jan/2009 chancellor



Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: tss on May 16, 2015, 06:18:34 AM
google is smarter than you think.  if you want to see it in the results, they will try and show it to you.   hard to explain how or why in one sentence but.. they're watching you.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 16, 2015, 07:23:53 AM
google is smarter than you think.  if you want to see it in the results, they will try and show it to you.   hard to explain how or why in one sentence but.. they're watching you.

Yes. This is why it is critical people stop using Google stuff ASAP.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Carlton Banks on May 16, 2015, 10:08:10 AM
google is smarter than you think.  if you want to see it in the results, they will try and show it to you.   hard to explain how or why in one sentence but.. they're watching you.

Yes. This is why it is critical people stop using Google stuff ASAP.


Apparently, the huge amount of infrastructure and resources that go/went into Google Search over the years is not only financially self-sustaining, but actually profitable. And their only revenue stream is from their advertisers. Ditto Youtube. What their story is with Android, I have no idea (subsidized by the left over profits from the advertising?). If you find all that hard to believe, you might reasonably wonder: "so, where could all the money to pay their employees be coming from?"


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: R2D221 on May 16, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: herzmeister on May 16, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
#filterbubble


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 16, 2015, 03:28:57 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.
They aren't necessarily evil. It's just you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose, from them having MASSIVE amounts of data on their very accurate profile they've built of you.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: R2D221 on May 16, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.
They aren't necessarily evil. It's just you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose, from them having MASSIVE amounts of data on their very accurate profile they've built of you.


You're wrong. I do have something to gain: personalized, more accurate results. Yes, it's not comparable, but it's not nothing either.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: roslinpl on May 16, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.

They are not evil. They are just affected to the big data :)

I don't see Google as something evil but there are ways to use their data in evil way :) (well .. you can use holy water in evil way too,  so that's something to be worried about)

Best regards.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 16, 2015, 04:10:44 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.
They aren't necessarily evil. It's just you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose, from them having MASSIVE amounts of data on their very accurate profile they've built of you.


You're wrong. I do have something to gain: personalized, more accurate results. Yes, it's not comparable, but it's not nothing either.

Okay I agree it's not nothing, but do you really need personalized results?
I cope perfectly fine without them.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: pooya87 on May 16, 2015, 04:14:58 PM
Interesting, to get Google to auto-complete with:
The times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks
You only need to type "The Times 0".
i am sorry bot i see the same result as everyone else
i did the search on my virtual machine with a fresh windows xp on it!
https://i.imgur.com/ciqiNa0.jpg


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: franky1 on May 16, 2015, 04:41:25 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.

lets say you searched for diamond rings.. 2 months later you get a phone call from a scammer who has bought your search data to find out people with above average income to afford such things

lets say you searched for bitcoin. .. 2 months later you got a email from a scammer that bought your data to find people that may own bitcoin. the email contains a trojan

lets say you searched for a medical condition you might have.. 2 months later your medical insurance provider cancels your insurance unless you pay a higher premium because they believe you have a medical condition you did not disclose..

the point is:
personalized results within your own browser is not evil.. but what they do with your data behind your back, without you knowing is...


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 16, 2015, 05:55:39 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.

lets say you searched for diamond rings.. 2 months later you get a phone call from a scammer who has bought your search data to find out people with above average income to afford such things

lets say you searched for bitcoin. .. 2 months later you got a email from a scammer that bought your data to find people that may own bitcoin. the email contains a trojan

lets say you searched for a medical condition you might have.. 2 months later your medical insurance provider cancels your insurance unless you pay a higher premium because they believe you have a medical condition you did not disclose..

the point is:
personalized results within your own browser is not evil.. but what they do with your data behind your back, without you knowing is...

Or maybe a friend of yours is suffering from depression. You do a search online to learn more about it.
A year later, your life insurance policy is refused because you might be depressed and high risk.

The list of things is really endless.....


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: alani123 on May 16, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
You could also try incognito browsing. It's like starting a new session every time, no personalised results.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: redsn0w on May 16, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
You could also try incognito browsing. It's like starting a new session every time, no personalised results.

I have tried to use incognito browser (chrome and firefox) and it gives me always "the times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks". Maybe I should stop to use google and find another 'motor' like duckduckgo.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Jeremycoin on May 16, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
You could also try incognito browsing. It's like starting a new session every time, no personalised results.

I have tried to use incognito browser (chrome and firefox) and it gives me always "the times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks". Maybe I should stop to use google and find another 'motor' like duckduckgo.

When I tried the search it in the incognito browser it still gives me "The Times 0f india"


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: nachoig on May 16, 2015, 06:38:48 PM
Typical behavior of Google. It customizes the results according to what they think that can be interesting for you.

http://dontbubble.us/


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: rich93 on May 16, 2015, 08:09:33 PM
I don't get how Google showing me personalized results automatically means they're evil. Also, I have used DuckDuckGo and it never gives me useful results.

lets say you searched for diamond rings.. 2 months later you get a phone call from a scammer who has bought your search data to find out people with above average income to afford such things

lets say you searched for bitcoin. .. 2 months later you got a email from a scammer that bought your data to find people that may own bitcoin. the email contains a trojan

lets say you searched for a medical condition you might have.. 2 months later your medical insurance provider cancels your insurance unless you pay a higher premium because they believe you have a medical condition you did not disclose..

the point is:
personalized results within your own browser is not evil.. but what they do with your data behind your back, without you knowing is...

I gave Google my phone number and it said they would not share it with anyone. I had not given that number to any other websites or companies, but found myself being bombarded with sales calls right after Google got it. I'm sure they sold it to someone, but I can't prove a thing because they would say it's only a coincidence.

What they do with your data behind your back, without you knowing is evil.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Meuh6879 on May 16, 2015, 10:43:45 PM
You could also try incognito browsing. It's like starting a new session every time, no personalised results.

seriously ... people really trust in a "private" mode of a browser ?
it's ridiculous.

search data are build on :
- IP
- number of connexions per day
- number of word in search
- type of word used in the question
- build of the question
- speed of the typing
- use of the "enter" key or the automated search or plugin search (of the browser)
- ID transmit if people are connected with ... (really ?  ::) )


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: alani123 on May 16, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
You could also try incognito browsing. It's like starting a new session every time, no personalised results.

seriously ... people really trust in a "private" mode of a browser ?
it's ridiculous.

search data are build on :
- IP
- number of connexions per day
- number of word in search
- type of word used in the question
- build of the question
- speed of the typing
- use of the "enter" key or the automated search or plugin search (of the browser)
- ID transmit if people are connected with ... (really ?  ::) )

I'm not saying that it's safe, not at all actually. All I'm just saying that personalised search results within it should be minimal.


Title: Re: I googled: "The Times 0(...)" and it completed the sentence...
Post by: Buffer Overflow on May 16, 2015, 11:00:08 PM
Maybe I should stop to use google and find another 'motor' like duckduckgo.

Well, give it a try for a week or two. You've got nothing to lose.