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Title: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: jerfelix on May 30, 2011, 10:47:58 AM I saw that an eBook went up on Amazon a couple of days ago.
http://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Peer---Peer-Illustrated-ebook/dp/B00538IVFK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1306752261&sr=8-2 Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System [Illustrated] [Kindle Edition] Satoshi Nakamoto (Author) Do you think that Satoshi put this out there? Or did someone take his original paper, and toss it on Amazon to try to profit from it? (I didn't look at a copy of the $0.99 eBook. Has anybody seen it?) Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: Bit_Happy on May 30, 2011, 10:57:03 AM Just a guess: Smells like a scam.
Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: zby on May 30, 2011, 11:06:09 AM It would be signed if it was authentic. Maybe there is the signature somewhere - but I guess not and I think this should be reported to Amazon.
Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: error on May 30, 2011, 11:08:51 AM Someone converted Satoshi's paper to Kindle format and uploaded it to Amazon.
Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: LMGTFY on May 30, 2011, 11:12:40 AM Someone converted Satoshi's paper to Kindle format and uploaded it to Amazon. If that's the case it's probably a breach of copyright - there's nothing in the paper to indicate it has the same permissive license as bitcoin-the-software, and even without an explicit copyright symbol anything published is still protected by copyright - but if Satoshi were to try and enforce his rights it would mean "breaking cover". Maybe that's what the gaol is? Though I suspect it's just someone trying to make a barely-honest buck...Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: jerfelix on May 30, 2011, 11:22:51 AM It would be signed if it was authentic. Maybe there is the signature somewhere - but I guess not and I think this should be reported to Amazon. It's a little difficult for somebody to report it to Amazon. Quote Notice and Procedure for Making Claims of Copyright Infringement If you believe that your work [emphasis added] has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide Amazon.com's copyright agent the written information specified below. Please note that this procedure is exclusively for notifying Amazon that your copyrighted material has been infringed. An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest; A description of the copyrighted work that you claim has been infringed upon; A description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the site, including the auction ID number, if applicable; Your address, telephone number, and e-mail address; A statement by you that you have a good-faith belief that the disputed use is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; A statement by you, made under penalty of perjury, that the above information in your notice is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the copyright owner's behalf. Amazon.com's Copyright Agent for notice of claims of copyright infringement on its site can be reached as follows: Copyright Agent Amazon.com Legal Department P.O. Box 81226 Seattle, WA 98108 phone: (206) 266-4064 fax: (206) 266-7010 e-mail: copyright@amazon.com Courier address: Copyright Agent Amazon.com Legal Department 410 Terry Avenue North Seattle, WA 98109-5210 USA Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: jerfelix on May 30, 2011, 11:26:53 AM Probably a better option if this is a scam, is that if you have an Amazon account, sign in and review the book. Give it a 1 (or a zero?) rating, and link people to the free online paper: http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: Alex Beckenham on May 30, 2011, 11:36:21 AM Probably a better option if this is a scam, is that if you have an Amazon account, sign in and review the book. Give it a 1 (or a zero?) rating, and link people to the free online paper: http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf There's also a link on there that says "tell us about a lower price". You could tell them about the $0 version, however I have no problem with some random person making 99 cents if it means more people read the paper. Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: smooth on May 30, 2011, 11:38:12 AM An electronic or physical signature of the person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright interest; How is that going to work? Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: jerfelix on May 30, 2011, 02:54:31 PM There's also a link on there that says "tell us about a lower price". Good point. You could tell them about the $0 version, however I have no problem with some random person making 99 cents if it means more people read the paper. There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission. I personally wouldn't do that. But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to. On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission. So really I should mind my own business. Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: kiba on May 30, 2011, 04:18:29 PM There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission. I personally wouldn't do that. But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to. On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission. So really I should mind my own business. There's nothing wrong with making a paper available to more people, even if people pay for it. Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: markm on May 30, 2011, 05:17:14 PM Satoshi can authorise Gavin or someone else he stays in contact with if he wants them to do the complaint thing. It doesnt mention having to prove where the authoriser is or who they are merely that they have to have authorised. Could be done via PGP signatures or something if the *do* ask for some kind of proof.
(Maybe tell them "on my way to meet with the CIA about bitcoin I noticed you were selling the book, can we maybe clear this up before the meeting?") -MarkM- Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: em3rgentOrdr on May 30, 2011, 09:13:49 PM Isnt it a little ironic purchasing the bitcoin paper with FRN. :)
And hey, doesnt bitcoin compete with Amazon Payments? ;) whoever had the guts to upload this ebook to Amazon books is pretty clever if you ask me. There's something fundamentally wrong with a person selling someone else's work for a profit without permission. I personally wouldn't do that. But it's really up to the author to enforce this, if Satoshi wants to. On the other hand, I have no proof that this isn't Satoshi that's put the eBook out there, or that he hasn't given permission. So really I should mind my own business. There's nothing wrong with making a paper available to more people, even if people pay for it. +1. This is a good thing. We should celebrate. Even better, we should upload the paper to iTunes and charge 50 cents just to under cut this Satoshi (impersonator, most likely). Title: Re: eBook by Satoshi - legit? Post by: zby on May 30, 2011, 09:19:07 PM Satoshi can authorise Gavin or someone else he stays in contact with if he wants them to do the complaint thing. It doesnt mention having to prove where the authoriser is or who they are merely that they have to have authorised. Could be done via PGP signatures or something if the *do* ask for some kind of proof. This could be a very good story. Journalists would love it. |