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Title: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: jacktheking on May 21, 2015, 07:05:10 AM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: louise123 on May 21, 2015, 07:08:20 AM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..

It's probably because Coindesk covers most of the news regarding Bitcoin.
Therefor one could be searching for Bitcoin news that Bitcoin.org cannot provide.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Daniel91 on May 21, 2015, 07:13:08 AM
From my understanding, Google have special algorithm to decide which site is the most relevant for chosen keywords, based on the content, regular update, number of visits etc.
So, Google robots checking regularly Internet sites and chose the best sites for certain keywords, based on their criteria.
Coindesk probably gives more relevant info on bitcoin subject than other sites.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: PenguinFire on May 21, 2015, 07:18:20 AM
From my understanding, Google have special algorithm to decide which site is the most relevant for chosen keywords, based on the content, regular update, number of visits etc.
So, Google robots checking regularly Internet sites and chose the best sites for certain keywords, based on their criteria.
Coindesk probably gives more relevant info on bitcoin subject than other sites.

That is my understanding basically as well.  It would be nice if someone in the bitcoin community created a clean, sleek page explaining the basics and were able to get enough traffic for people to get is as their first or second search result.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Amph on May 21, 2015, 07:23:05 AM
it's better that you get coindesk instead, because he can teach you much more with all the news that come there, and anyway i'm still getting the org site, when i type bitcoin


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: neoneros on May 21, 2015, 09:56:22 AM
Also getting the org site as first result. Then the wiki page. Coindesk is not doing so well ending as the last on the page. Some local language sites are prefered by googles algorithm, which is probably a good thing for google to promote.

I do not think google cares much about what you would expect to come up. They rely on their machines to do the thinking.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: virtualx on May 21, 2015, 10:04:50 AM
it's better that you get coindesk instead, because he can teach you much more with all the news that come there, and anyway i'm still getting the org site, when i type bitcoin

Google searches are personalized. The page you get in one computer when you search Google is not the same page you get on another computer. That is to say, the search results vary based on the computer you use (if you do not login). You can verify this by doing the same search query on different locations in the area.



Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Q7 on May 21, 2015, 12:10:43 PM
I'm okay with both actually. But I guess when bitcoin first started, it would make more sense to provide the simplest explanation and by now, with popularity gaining traction, I don't think it would be so difficult to put into it more words to help people understand bitcoin better.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Febo on May 21, 2015, 12:23:48 PM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..

Google dont place websites by their decision, they use some algorithm to index them. So the one that is highest by that is on top.
What is interesting is that most users that will google  Bitcoin or just any word, will click on 3rd result first. and then on first.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: medUSA on May 21, 2015, 12:38:30 PM
Google shows different links/ads for different countries and your previous searches. Mine shows an exchange and realtime quote, the bitcoin.org, then some news and coindesk is near the middle of the page.

Doesn't matter the what pops up when people search "bitcoin". Most people have heard of bitcoin already, they are don't search "bitcoin" as a single word any more, probably "bitcoin wiki" or click on the array of search suggestions. Besides, Coindesk is not a bad place to start reading about bitcoin.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: coinableS on May 21, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
When I google it there is no box and no definition. I know I've seen it before, also sometimes it shows the price at the top. It seems that it is always changing.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: 1Referee on May 21, 2015, 12:50:43 PM
If I Google Bitcoin I see first three adds and then the bitcoin.org website.

Funny thing is that the first website on page 1 seems to be a phising site or something like that as blockchain there is written as blockchaln.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: coinableS on May 21, 2015, 12:54:52 PM
If I Google Bitcoin I see first three adds and then the bitcoin.org website.

Funny thing is that the first website on page 1 seems to be a phising site or something like that as blockchain there is written as blockchaln.

Yup mine is the same  blockchaLn is the #1 result  :( How sad is that? A phish site is the top site on google.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Amph on May 21, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
it's better that you get coindesk instead, because he can teach you much more with all the news that come there, and anyway i'm still getting the org site, when i type bitcoin

Google searches are personalized. The page you get in one computer when you search Google is not the same page you get on another computer. That is to say, the search results vary based on the computer you use (if you do not login). You can verify this by doing the same search query on different locations in the area.



didn't know about that, but i did not personalize anything, it could be because of the login, if i log out, it would re-index something different, or you are saying that it is just based on ip and nothing else?


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: goosoodude on May 21, 2015, 03:31:20 PM
It has been a very long time since more then just "bitcoin.org" shows upon google search results for "bitcoin". I would say at the absolutely latest time bitcoin.org stopped being the only result was when the first article about silk road was published which was in 2011


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: RitzBitzz on May 21, 2015, 03:39:59 PM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..

It's probably because Coindesk covers most of the news regarding Bitcoin.
Therefor one could be searching for Bitcoin news that Bitcoin.org cannot provide.

And the fact that coin desk payed for the spot.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: goosoodude on May 21, 2015, 04:00:45 PM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..

It's probably because Coindesk covers most of the news regarding Bitcoin.
Therefor one could be searching for Bitcoin news that Bitcoin.org cannot provide.

And the fact that coin desk payed for the spot.
Google does not sell their top search results. In fact they often change their algorithm to prevent people from trying to game the system to get top search results. 


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: x128 on May 21, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
It is called as Search Engine Optimization (SEO). It depends on many factors. Keywords, backlinks, etc. Maybe CoinDesk concentrated on their SEO? Or as the other user pointed out, results might be tailor-made based on your recent search/browsing history. When I Google 'bitcoin' bitcoin.org is the first result.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: JLynn171 on May 21, 2015, 04:59:49 PM
It is called as Search Engine Optimization (SEO). It depends on many factors. Keywords, backlinks, etc. Maybe CoinDesk concentrated on their SEO? Or as the other user pointed out, results might be tailor-made based on your recent search/browsing history. When I Google 'bitcoin' bitcoin.org is the first result.

yep google pays attention to where you go "in life and on the web" and tailors searches to the person, and advertisements always go up front of line followed by what google thinks is what you first wanted... wikipedia i think is best :-)


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Jeremycoin on May 21, 2015, 05:19:14 PM
And finally now, when we google "Bitcoin". The result would be a list of ad sites :D And then after the ads, it would be bitcoin.org.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: GonnaGrinditout on May 21, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
And finally now, when we google "Bitcoin". The result would be a list of ad sites :D And then after the ads, it would be bitcoin.org.
Google products, then ad sites, then search results. I regret the old AltaVista sometimes... :(


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Havelivi on May 21, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
when googled Bitcoin i did not got coindesk at the top as i think google shows different result on location base and i have bitcoin.org as top site.

https://i.imgur.com/lNDR057.png


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Madness on May 21, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
I'd say maybe because of the number of the unique visitors in a certain period of time .
Coindesk.com is 8,968 Ranked if you see at Alexa ranking , and on the other hand there is Bitcoin.org is 17,108 in the Global Rank . so I guess that's the reason , even if I'am not sure how Google Algorithms works exactly for searching


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: WhatTheGox on May 21, 2015, 06:12:45 PM
In the past, when we Google Bitcoin the results would be Bitcoin.org with no other additional material. Sometime this or last year, I noticed that Google add in a 'box' which fetch text from Bitcoin.org. Those text explain what is Bitcoin. Just last month or so, Google switched the site to Coindesk.com. I wonder why. Anyone have an answer? I feel that Bitcoin.org explanation is simple and easy to understand. Coindesk.com explanation is long and not easy to understand. Which one do you prefer?

I which I could have the old Bitcoin.org text..

Use duckduckgo then you get to see the search results without country bias  ;D


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Slark on May 21, 2015, 06:18:44 PM
Do you guys realise that you can have different result from google search? It is true, google is personalized to certain extent and you can have different first page that somebody else - searches are based on your location, language preferences, previous searches and so on. For me coindesk is not even showing in top 5 links, instead it is like 10th link or something.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: Madness on May 21, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Do you guys realise that you can have different result from google search? It is true, google is personalized to certain extent and you can have different first page that somebody else - searches are based on your location, language preferences, previous searches and so on. For me coindesk is not even showing in top 5 links, instead it is like 10th link or something.

Mmm...you got a point .
After brining this up , I checked and I guess you are right . It's the same for me, Coindesk isn't even showing on the first page . wierd tho because I read a lot of articles on Coindesk .




Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: cakir on May 21, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
There're 3 ways for Google to show the website's short explanation on search results;

1- If the website has a meta description shows it
<meta name="description" content="Bitcoin is an innovative payment network and a new kind of money. Find all you need to know and get started with Bitcoin on bitcoin.org.">

2- If it doesn't then checks it from dmoz.org
http://www.dmoz.org/search?q=bitcoin.org If the meta description wasn't existed then it probably uses this one;
"Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins. "

3- If none of those exists then it uses the indexed home page's first lines as short description.



Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: virtualx on May 21, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
it's better that you get coindesk instead, because he can teach you much more with all the news that come there, and anyway i'm still getting the org site, when i type bitcoin

Google searches are personalized. The page you get in one computer when you search Google is not the same page you get on another computer. That is to say, the search results vary based on the computer you use (if you do not login). You can verify this by doing the same search query on different locations in the area.



didn't know about that, but i did not personalize anything, it coul be because of the login, if i log out, it would re-index something different, or you are saying that it is just based on ip and nothing else?

It helps to give better search results.  Given a query, good results for one person may not be good results for another person.
I don't know exactly all the details of that algorithm. If you try it on different computers you can see the results.



Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: x128 on May 21, 2015, 07:04:05 PM
There're 3 ways for Google to show the website's short explanation on search results;

1- If the website has a meta description shows it
<meta name="description" content="Bitcoin is an innovative payment network and a new kind of money. Find all you need to know and get started with Bitcoin on bitcoin.org.">

2- If it doesn't then checks it from dmoz.org
http://www.dmoz.org/search?q=bitcoin.org If the meta description wasn't existed then it probably uses this one;
"Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins. "

3- If none of those exists then it uses the indexed home page's first lines as short description.



The meta tags don't matter much these days. It used to back in the days (I guess) but now, no.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: gogxmagog on May 21, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
keywords work on placement on page as well as relevance. Also, if you are enrolled in the google adsense program, showing adsense ads on your site and sharing revenue, you can target certain keywords in the adsense settings, "bitcoin" being probably the most obvious choice in this case. Then you need to have the targeted word appear throughout the page. There is no number of times, minimum or maximum, recommended, but it is said that having your targeted keywords appearing in the first and last paragraphs and several times in the body of the article is most effective. There is also talk that certain areas of the page design get optimal results too.

this article lays it out pretty clear https://moz.com/blog/visual-guide-to-keyword-targeting-onpage-optimization (https://moz.com/blog/visual-guide-to-keyword-targeting-onpage-optimization)

This works for whatever keywords you might be trying to target as a webmaster with adsense enabled. What it does is optimize your search engine availability AND brings related advertizing to your site. If you have the words "Diabetic socks" targeted and also appearing liberally throughout your website, you will appear high up in searches for "diabetic socks" and get lots of ads selling diabetic socks. When google sees you are getting targeted searching traffic PLUS ad clicks for diabetic socks, those ads pay significantly more than random ad clicks.

it is all algorithms, logic and science, but it makes money and tons of sites are all over it. Unfortunately, it is also why an earnest search for simple information often leads to hundreds of links to empty, information-less, puppet articles that serve little other purpose than to attract traffic and ad revenue. There is no algorithm for QUALITY.


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: ibminer on May 21, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin
nobody's really searching anyway  :D

EDIT: I do find it interesting that Estonia is at the top of the regional interest  :o


Title: Re: Google "Bitcoin"
Post by: gogxmagog on May 21, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin
nobody's really searching anyway  :D

EDIT: I do find it interesting that Estonia is at the top of the regional interest  :o

even crap keywords can make money, if you have targeted those keywords and used them in proper context within good quality original content, optimized your SEO and have good "click-through-rate" meaning, people actually click the ads on your site after searching Google for your targeted keywords.

but, yeah, clicks from estonia are worth about 2 cents max. You also want to "geo-target" meaning reach the American market. Those clicks are golden.

if you just want to run a website to make money on ads, write about insurance! http://www.wordstream.com/articles/most-expensive-keywords (http://www.wordstream.com/articles/most-expensive-keywords)

I used to write a blog that targeted Insurance, Mortgage, Attorney, Lawyer, and Degree. It wasnt really about any of those things, just used the words extensively within the context of a serialized work of fiction. I literally had a paper with my keywords on it and I would write goofy stories using those words as much as possible. I made pretty good money before google got wise and b& me  :P

the blog is still there, but no more ads... a sample; http://gogxmagog.blogspot.ca/2012/02/medical-emergency.html (http://gogxmagog.blogspot.ca/2012/02/medical-emergency.html) to read it in order you have to start there and go to "new posts" every time. serialized work only works in chronologically reversed order on blogger

note; to be perfectly honest, I made such good money because I fraudulently inflated my traffic stats and secretly asked several American friends to click the ads. ahhh the good old days....