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Libertarianism has never worked except in frontier areas like the old west.  We need a solution like a communist revolution.   We need equality for the people.  A five year plan.  No more bourgoise "pump and dump"

Communism has never worked in history.
It will be worse under communism. Look at China, it has denounced communism and embraced a market economy.

Well crypto is really rhetorical libertarianism like China is rhetorical Communist.  We need rhetorical communism.

Well, communism has worked even less than libertarianism... In addition we are not equal at all. Some ppl are more talented in some areas while others are not. So this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

Welcome to the new west, comrade.

The main problem with crypto at the moment is the developers are the only ones doing anything. We need communities to grow and users to focus, not chase every new skirt that comes prancing into town.

This will occur over time as it dawns on the participants themselves that their own crypto countrymen are the heart of their currency. We can't compete with bitcoin until we organize, unify, and consolidate. Let's get this down to just a zillion or two coins and maybe we can win the battle.

I think it's the other way round. We need more Libertarianism and less Communism so I'd support a Libertarian revolution but not a Comunistic one. Isn't Libertarian (non Marxist) Socialism just another term for Anarchy as well?

True Marxism has never been tried. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc... has tried to impose Marxism on a society that is not economically ready for it. True Marxism can only come from a capitalist economy that has taken the natural (according to Marx) step to Marxism only AFTER that capitalist economy has grown to the limits that Capitalism will allow.

Communist economies of the past and present have been rushed into existence without the technology and production capabilities that can only grow under Capitalism. According to Marx, Communism is the final and most advanced step in an economy's evolution.

Is Marx right? Who knows. No society has grown to the limits allowed by Capitalism yet.

move to venezuela or north korea and enjoy your communism there for some time, then come back and post this stupid shit again.
we live in a new marxist world in case you didn't realise. Its called corporatism , the first form of socialism where they managed to account everything that goes wrong in it to capitalism so that the most stupid and untalented of society are constantly running around screaming for even more state involement and "equality".

Soviet union and china was marxism like auroracoin was, just an elaborate scam, using the excuse of equal re-distribution to keep all the money.

Airdrop has never happened in any so said " marxism-inspired"  country.

Communism is Central Planning. There is a leader! He plans.

But we need no leader, we need no planning. Bitcoin works without a leader and a planner.

Bitcoin is Anarchy. Federal Reserve and EZB is Communism. They plan the yield and money supply. Federal Reserve and EZB are obsolete. They do not contribute. What does not contribute gets whiped out by evolution.

I do not want to hurt your feelings. I am sure you would like to become a great leader and make a plan for a better world. Just do it! (-Nice)
Make a plan and get your sheeps.

Satoshi Nakamoto is another kind of human being. He changed the world by contributing. He served and took his share. I admire him more than anyone else (well even more than maybe Leonardo Davinci).

I tend to align more with this thinking. Bitcoin is still in it's baby years. Planning too far ahead will only create high expectations. We should adapt the system as we go according to what works at the present time and foreseeable future. For now let's just concern ourselves with encouraging adoption.

Socialism > *

OP have you heard about Bitshares?

Move to the Congo to enjoy your libertarianism for some time.

Nice punt. I really mean that: it's a change to bump into someone who actually read Marx and is following what he actually wrote. Even if it leaves you with the awkward burden of showing that every Communist leader, from Lenin onwards, is a heretic. ;)

While it lasts....

Well, there will always be a frontier somewhere.

I can´t believe my eyes.

I think that you guys have words like marxism and commnunism connected with practical cases of when those ideas were hijacked by speculators and manipulators, who in capitalist society, would probably lead some sects or financial schemes to gain money (power).

But in general marxism and communism dont really advocate leader nor central planning. Communism is actually stateless society  -  pure libertarianism, but without private property. Problem is how to get to that stage of society and moral level, when person will just share everything and will work just for the good feeling that he is enriching society, while other in society are enriching him. That is were state came into. Ofcourse state will manage this middle phaze and that is where hijacking happens.

I think under certain conditions voluntaristic communist society could work. But whole planning would have to be managed by software and computers, that would daily create quotes based on ever updating info about society. Also decentralised system would fit it best. But we have to get to that phaze through capitalism...this system will create technology, that will create abundance, then futuristic communist society is quite possible.

Also new communism wont be about workers, but jobless people who will be majority, their work will be done by robots.

"Too many useful things will render too many people useless" Karl Marx  :)

I don't get the point of this post.

We have freedom here, if you want your communism or equality or whatever - you just bring them on board and do your thing in the crypto world. No restrictions here, you're free to do as you please. (We don't even have good fraud protection mechanisms yet besides intelligence.)

 ::) we need less politics  ;)

this is the most ignorant post I've ever read, congrats

Mankind is not ready yet

Communism professed to be about the redistribution or sharing of wealth, in fact, the Bolshevik revolution was funded by, and for the benefit of the Bankers.
Read Prof Anthony Sutton, Eustace Mullins and many others on this.
Communism was set up by and for the benefit of the Banking elites.
Promising to redistribute wealth was merely their way of getting the hungry jealous masses to go along with the mass killings and confiscation
(Robbery and Murder).

When they said redistribution, what they meant was, redistribution, up into their vaults, and they hate competition, look at Liberty dollars etc.
They hate limited commodity monetary systems as they can't just print money out of thin air and lend it to us as a debt, so they are
especially concerned about cryptocurrencies.

Name one Communist country where the masses ended up healthy, wealthy, and independent.
We don't have capitalism now either, one simple way to show this is the trillion dollar bailouts.
In a real capitalist, libertarian system, failed banks would be allowed to go to the wall.
The fiat monetary system we have now is engineered to syphon the wealth of nations up into the vaults of a very very few
wealthy elite families, call them the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, whatever, but it's the same Banking families.
Cryptocurrencies go some way to challenging the control these globalist charlatans have on the issuance and control of money
and as such a big step step in the right direction.

We don't have a free market, libertarian, capitalist system right now, we live under the same kleptocratic system that took over China and Russia and dozens of smaller states where the country was taken over, millions killed and the wealth 'redistributed' up into the vaults of the Banking elites who
fund these 'revolutions'.
We haven't had true capitalism for well over 100 yrs, certainly not in the US where the privately owned Fed was set up in 1913 on jeckyl Island.
Shortly after the titanic disaster.

Even Lenin said something like, I'm in the driving seat of the car, but it's not responding to my input, someone else has control.

We don't need more Marxism, Communism, we need to try, perhaps for the first time ever, true, Capitalism, Libertarianism.

i agree that there is a problem, the devs do work and dont get paid. It is a design flaw.
But the funny part is, this problem is caused by a communistic idea (free software).

Dont get me wrong, i like free software. But it doesn't work or make sense in all cases (for the dev).

In an increasing amount of places, it's software that makes the grass grow.

...man

Why don't you start OP by giving the community the private keys to your BTC wallet?

Commies not used to give anything what belongs to them to the community :). They used to take yours and give it to their supporters.

That what you said here is true but this is not limited to commies or communism (which never existed in reality),
this is the rotten human nature.
As you can see when there is austerity to be implemented in system like capitalism
the 1st target are the common people (working class)
that are targeted by the political elite by rising taxes and the (supporters) of the political elite
(banking sector, multinational companies, military ) is not targeted but instead money taken from the working class
is given to them ;)

to me libertarianism is synonymous with lassaiz faire capitalism, meaning the individual is free to operate without force or controls. (that's a good thing ).... anything else sooner or later requires force against the individual to support 'higher causes' or bend them to the will of some centralized planning or authority.. and that is something I don't think is good.  I still believe in the rule of law to prevent people from initiating force, threats, or fraud against others, but beyond that, I believe in freedom.  The government which governs best, governs least.

That's my view also, although I'd replace "capitalism" with "free market economy".

The word capitalism has a pejorative connotation, and in fact can mean a system
where a portion of business is in cahoots with the state, recieiving subsidies and privileges like
artificial monopoly, all which distorts the free market.

Which is really just one of the many flavors of Statism.

Well, not just to be even more controversial but here's a both left libertarian and communist idea in planning stage - https://antok.co

 :-*