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1. He put 200% in the original title and not 100%
2. He couldn't get the deadline to the bet correct and backpedaled that it was corrected on IRC.
3. He did a live interview with micon where he says the most stupid things now that contradict his actions and words:
http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2012_08_22_19_00_07.mp3
4. He did not teach anyone anything that he said he wanted to be taught. All it was was a big troll because he needed attention given Pirateat40 was getting all the attention.
5....????

By my estimation all of his own mistakes are actually fucking funny. He has show how unwitty he really is. LOL can't even get the subject title right nor the deadline time. LOL

As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?


Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

Yes

No, that is not correct. Many people used Matthew to hedge against Pirate in lieu of other methods. They will lose money. This scam, although Matthew did not directly profit, certainly caused losses.

If this situation were to be left unchecked, it sets a precedent that you can back out of any bet on a grammatical technicality. Taking actual coins or not paying promised coins is the EXACT SAME THING.

It falls closer to a service rendered, In this case the fulfillment of the agreement was entering the betting information in the forum and having the bet accepted. This is no different than doing a logo design and then not getting paid for your end of the agreement because "you design my logo and I'll send 20BTC to that address".

5. He got his own saying wrong. It should read "Remember, Remember, the 10th of September"

I'm seriously thinking he trips over his own shoe laces with the amount of mistakes he has made on his "bet".

Is the failure MNWs?

Everyone here is so quick jump on a "sure thing" and then cry foul when it didn't satisfy your hip pocket properly.

The lesson learned is.. you are collectively a greedy bunch.
/me is slightly less greedy but only slightly.

HOW MUCH DID YOU BET ?

Really? :D

Maybe vindication, if he wasn't such a lying scumbag.

6: If you've got some brilliant idea that no-one else around you seems to be smart enough to grasp despite ample opportunities, such as trying to weasel out of a bet with some clever wording, there's a good chance the reason no-one else has done it is because it's a fucking stupid idea for reasons you're too dim to realise.

What incentive? Uhm, how about proving the kangaroo court wrong?

The lesson here: Everyone opens up their mouths too quickly.

I called Pirate out because HE FUCKED ME OVER. You called Matthew out because YOU SUSPECTED THAT THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS.

There's a big difference.

I don't regret anything that I said to Trendon, as it was all true. Everyone here jumped on the 'smear Matthew' bandwagon on day 1 of teh bet and rode the shit out of it, right to the bitter end. So, with his so-called 'forum reputation' and Bitcoin reputation in general already damaged by the retards here, what incentive did he have to pay anyone anything ? Were you all going to say SORRY and delete all of your trolling posts and tell everyone else that you were joking ?
You all did the damage before the 'bet' even ended.
There's your lesson.

Right, cause Matthew totally would have paid if only everyone hadn't been so mean, right?

We will never know....but at least everyone can rest easy now, that they were right this entire time about him being a scammer  ::)

I wasn't refering to you smoothie...it was a generalization of what I saw...that's all.

/Backpedal

 :D

Sadly enough...yes.

Actually it took about 3 days before anyone said anything about Matthew's bet. Even then it was met with overwhelming support on Matthew's side saying he would pay. Not until he kept raising the limit did more and more people start to consider that he might not pay out. His reason to pay regardless of what "trolls" said would to make us look stupid and keep his job(s). Instead he just made a fool of himself and has made sure any bitcoin business he associates himself with will fail. He really fucked over Vladimir and friends. He fucked over Pirate bond holders. And the people he thinks he's "teaching a lesson" never bet with him to begin with. We are trolling harder than ever with yet another "told ya so"

The whole stunt was to give him a slim chance to line his pockets and also because he needed ATTENTION given PIRATEAT40 was getting it all.

Talk about jealousy huh. lol ::)

In the original bet thread Matthew offered up his own reputation as collateral.


His reputation is his own to enhance or squander, so if he decides to cheapen it I'm going to honor his choice.

I think he succeeded at achieving his aims...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.msg1173889#msg1173889 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.msg1173889#msg1173889)

If his aim was to let everyone know he can't be trusted, then yes he succeeded.

He set the rules.
He broke the rules.
He got hit with a punishment of his own making.

This isn't like people are setting out to lynch an innocent man.
If he had won, some people would have paid him, and some wouldn't have. The ones that didn't pay him would have received the scammer tag, exactly like his original post stated, just like he eventually received when he failed to honor his word.

Would you be arguing so much if he had won the bet and people who didn't pay him were receiving the scammer tag?

Well, I'm pretty new around here, but I've been reading up and it seems to me that Matthew said, in his very first post on the bet, that the purpose was to teach you guys a lesson. And so you took the bet and now he's taught you a lesson that you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone a scammer because sometimes if you do that you'll just make the guy mad and he'll wind up scamming you because you ticked him off. So maybe everyone here should just consider this a lesson learned and the next time you think someone might be a scammer you should just keep your mouth shut.

SO he loses the bet, tries to "repay" all betters with a stupid technicality that allows him to pay himself and we are the ones that needed to learn a lesson?

What lesson is that? That Matthew is full of fully potent, grade-A, gorilla crap?

I feel sorry that Vladimir got screwed over by Matthew. That is all.

This right here.... 

Wrong.
 Its never an excuse to steal peoples money because "they made you angry". Its never an excuse to rape a woman because "she asked for it". Its never an excuse to beat your wife "because she nagged you".

Scammers should be called out always and you dont shoot the messenger.

Why are you pretending like he did nothing wrong? The man let his ego run fucking wild and he now gets to deal with the consequences. Let him take what is coming.

The reason he welched on the bet isn't the same reason he started the bet. What point was he trying to prove?

So this is bitcoin.

"You hurt my feelings so I no longer have to hold up my end of the deal".

Sounds great, where do I sign up?

Here's a hint.  His incentive was to fulfill the promise he made.  In business, this is actually a valuable thing.  He made a promise, and should be expected to follow through.  That people didn't believe him is not a good reason to break that promise. 

Or hey, what about reputation?  Isn't that a good incentive not to welch on a bet?  Isn't reputation supposed to be massively important in your fantasy society?  Had he kept his end of the bargain (even ignoring the post, he did obligate himself verbally in that interview of his), his reputation would have been considerably improved.  He just ruined it now.

No wonder this board is so jam-packed with scammers and deadbeats; people like bitlane defend them to the bitter end.