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Title: Does this exist?
Post by: mfkgxjgu on May 30, 2015, 06:52:31 AM
I'm just wondering if such a service exists.

Is there a service like this... for example

Lets say I wanted someone to pay some money to me, IE i sell some software or something to them..

the service deals with the payment, then gives me bitcoins in exchange for the payment.

Sorry if this seems confusing but it should be like this

person enters credit card information or pays money though service >--- the service pays me in bitcoin instead of direct money.

- Mfkgxjgu


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Amph on May 30, 2015, 07:01:46 AM
you mean that the service pay for you in bitcoin instead of money, while you can send to them fiat ?

basically internal autoconversion, like circle or coinimal, but you can't buy stuff through those...


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: sherbyspark on May 30, 2015, 07:07:36 AM
I'm just wondering if such a service exists.

Is there a service like this... for example

Lets say I wanted someone to pay some money to me, IE i sell some software or something to them..

the service deals with the payment, then gives me bitcoins in exchange for the payment.

Sorry if this seems confusing but it should be like this

person enters credit card information or pays money though service >--- the service pays me in bitcoin instead of direct money.

- Mfkgxjgu

What you are basically looking for is something like the reverse of Bitpay. I don't think anything like that exists presently. However if the buyer is based in Canada or a country which offers a service like QuickBT, then you can possibly walk them through and have them enter your Bitcoin address in the field to send coins to, and they can pay with Credit cards on there.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Possum577 on May 30, 2015, 07:24:19 AM
I'll offer that service for you. I'll charge only 1% of the transaction amount - fairly cheap! I've only heard of individuals doing this for any sort of transaction. However, I know some companies are providing the service you're describing for businesses. There's also a payroll service that will convert your paychecks to BTC for you.

Let me know if you need any service...I'd be happy to help!


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Jeremycoin on May 30, 2015, 07:36:02 AM
Why don't you just convert your fiat money to Bitcoin by yourself? I think it will be more easier ;)


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Kyraishi on May 30, 2015, 08:06:27 AM
I don't think a service like this exists (or will anytime soon) because of chargebacks.

Let's say you sell software.
The buyer pays the service with credit card, the service converts it to BTC and sends it to you.
You send the software and the buyer calls for a chargeback.
The service get's fucked.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Fedoraeuphoria on May 30, 2015, 08:24:54 AM
I'm struggling to see what the advantage of an automated process is as opposed to converting the fiat currency yourself? You could perform this conversion yourself without inducing any extra processing fees and also control the exchange rate on your own terms.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: sherbyspark on May 30, 2015, 10:15:19 AM
I'll offer that service for you. I'll charge only 1% of the transaction amount - fairly cheap! I've only heard of individuals doing this for any sort of transaction. However, I know some companies are providing the service you're describing for businesses. There's also a payroll service that will convert your paychecks to BTC for you.

Let me know if you need any service...I'd be happy to help!
How would you offer such a service ? The payment from his customer could be in paypal or credit card, and could very well be chargedback. So you would be taking a big risk here.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: pedrog on May 30, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Payza does offer something like that:

https://www.payza.com/business

Quote
Your customers can pay you instantly using their e-wallet, their credit card, or a variety of local payment solutions tailored to their country. When you give your customers choice, you’ll keep them happy and improve your bottom line.

And then you can withdraw bitcoin:

https://helpdesk.payza.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/974/0/how-do-i-withdraw-funds-by-bitcoin


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: mfkgxjgu on May 30, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
Payza does offer something like that:

https://www.payza.com/business

Quote
Your customers can pay you instantly using their e-wallet, their credit card, or a variety of local payment solutions tailored to their country. When you give your customers choice, you’ll keep them happy and improve your bottom line.

And then you can withdraw bitcoin:

https://helpdesk.payza.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/974/0/how-do-i-withdraw-funds-by-bitcoin

Exactly what I need... but.....

If you are a Payza member located outside of the U.S., Canada, the UK, Bangladesh or India, you can become verified by submitting the following two (2) identification documents:

• Proof of address, such as a recurring bank statement, credit card statement, phone bill or utility bill. The name and address must match with the information listed in your Payza account. Please ensure that the name and recurring statement date are visible and that it is dated within the last 6 months.

• A government issued photo identification document, such as a passport, driver’s license, country/state ID. Your name and date of birth must be visible and must match the information in your Payza account. The ID number must also be visible. This identification document must be valid and not expired, and three (3) edges of the document must be visible. Please note that we do not accept photo IDs as a proof of address.

Please ensure that the documents are clearly visible, are in .jpeg or .pdf format, and are under 3 MB in size . Once your documents have been submitted, they will be reviewed for approval. Please allow up to 7 business days for your documents to be reviewed for approval.

I can't provide identification because I don't want it linked back to me. any other sites that don't require stupid ID? All I'm going to say, Is I  have to not be linked to anything, I don't want my name assigned to anything.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on May 30, 2015, 01:45:35 PM
I don't think a service like this exists (or will anytime soon) because of chargebacks.

Let's say you sell software.
The buyer pays the service with credit card, the service converts it to BTC and sends it to you.
You send the software and the buyer calls for a chargeback.
The service get's fucked.

Chargebacks will be possible in the blockchain... or "sort of" chargebacks". Antonopoulos posted about a proposal for a solution for the chargeback problems in his reddit AMA.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: qwk on May 30, 2015, 01:52:04 PM
person enters credit card information or pays money though service >--- the service pays me in bitcoin instead of direct money.
I can't provide identification because I don't want it linked back to me. any other sites that don't require stupid ID? All I'm going to say, Is I  have to not be linked to anything, I don't want my name assigned to anything.
In short, you're looking for a service who will process e.g. credit card payments and send bitcoins to an unidentified address.
Such a service cannot legally exist in any country with "normal" anti-money-laundering laws, sorry.
So, the answer is no.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Kyraishi on May 30, 2015, 01:58:12 PM
I don't think a service like this exists (or will anytime soon) because of chargebacks.

Let's say you sell software.
The buyer pays the service with credit card, the service converts it to BTC and sends it to you.
You send the software and the buyer calls for a chargeback.
The service get's fucked.

Chargebacks will be possible in the blockchain... or "sort of" chargebacks". Antonopoulos posted about a proposal for a solution for the chargeback problems in his reddit AMA.

What do you mean?
That you will be able to do a chargeback with Bitcoin?

Or protect from Credit Card chargebacks?
Because the latter is not possible.


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Amph on May 30, 2015, 02:47:58 PM
I don't think a service like this exists (or will anytime soon) because of chargebacks.

Let's say you sell software.
The buyer pays the service with credit card, the service converts it to BTC and sends it to you.
You send the software and the buyer calls for a chargeback.
The service get's fucked.

Chargebacks will be possible in the blockchain... or "sort of" chargebacks". Antonopoulos posted about a proposal for a solution for the chargeback problems in his reddit AMA.

you need an hardfork to change that in the code, unless you mean something else, i doubt there will be the needs of a chargeback for bitcoin


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: pedrog on May 30, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
Payza does offer something like that:

https://www.payza.com/business

Quote
Your customers can pay you instantly using their e-wallet, their credit card, or a variety of local payment solutions tailored to their country. When you give your customers choice, you’ll keep them happy and improve your bottom line.

And then you can withdraw bitcoin:

https://helpdesk.payza.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/974/0/how-do-i-withdraw-funds-by-bitcoin

Exactly what I need... but.....

If you are a Payza member located outside of the U.S., Canada, the UK, Bangladesh or India, you can become verified by submitting the following two (2) identification documents:

• Proof of address, such as a recurring bank statement, credit card statement, phone bill or utility bill. The name and address must match with the information listed in your Payza account. Please ensure that the name and recurring statement date are visible and that it is dated within the last 6 months.

• A government issued photo identification document, such as a passport, driver’s license, country/state ID. Your name and date of birth must be visible and must match the information in your Payza account. The ID number must also be visible. This identification document must be valid and not expired, and three (3) edges of the document must be visible. Please note that we do not accept photo IDs as a proof of address.

Please ensure that the documents are clearly visible, are in .jpeg or .pdf format, and are under 3 MB in size . Once your documents have been submitted, they will be reviewed for approval. Please allow up to 7 business days for your documents to be reviewed for approval.

I can't provide identification because I don't want it linked back to me. any other sites that don't require stupid ID? All I'm going to say, Is I  have to not be linked to anything, I don't want my name assigned to anything.

In that case, you can only accept payments in bitcoin and altcoins, no major payment processors can serve anonymous users...


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: TwinWinNerD on May 31, 2015, 12:02:00 AM
I'm just wondering if such a service exists.

Is there a service like this... for example

Lets say I wanted someone to pay some money to me, IE i sell some software or something to them..

the service deals with the payment, then gives me bitcoins in exchange for the payment.

Sorry if this seems confusing but it should be like this

person enters credit card information or pays money though service >--- the service pays me in bitcoin instead of direct money.

- Mfkgxjgu

Yes this exists for european customers. And its instant! Your counterparty buys Bitcoins with SOFORTÜberweisung, EPS, GIROPAY, NETELLER or SEPA and then puts your Bitcoin address as the receiver. The otherway around works too. Someone wants to pay in bitcoin but the other party doesn't want to hold bitcoin. They can instantly sell Bitcoins via same day SEPA on Coinimal!

You can find the service here: https://www.coinimal.com

Regards


Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Brewins on May 31, 2015, 12:23:16 AM
I'll offer that service for you. I'll charge only 1% of the transaction amount - fairly cheap! I've only heard of individuals doing this for any sort of transaction. However, I know some companies are providing the service you're describing for businesses. There's also a payroll service that will convert your paychecks to BTC for you.

Let me know if you need any service...I'd be happy to help!

This kind of service can't be made by a person because credit cards numbers will be evolved and I guess it would to be automated.





Title: Re: Does this exist?
Post by: Jamacn on June 01, 2015, 06:31:01 AM
if you can describe more details...

by my understanding about your words, you mean that you pay btc while he recive fiat, or he pay fiat while recive btc?

may us need an exchange to come to this.