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This is a throwaway account created specifically to raise these points, I do not want to start a possible trust war. Even my writing style has been changed for the purposes of this thread to try and make me unidentifiable. I am an experienced Bitcointalk member, and I'll give you the following details about my account: 2+ years registered, Legendary, decently high trust (dark green before it became easy as fuck to get). On DefaultTrust, depth 2. If a staff member (preferably global mod/admin) wants to verify this that is fine, I can get my more experienced account to PM them but that information is confidential, must not be disclosed and I will not verify to non-staff. This is on the condition that they MUST keep it 100% confidential and not disclose it EVEN to other staff.

In light of the recent possible framing of ndnhc I have decided to put the following information out here for now for you guys to think on. I will not put an overall opinion in yet but this is the information I've gathered. Do with it as you will. This thread is not per se an accusation thread but a gathering of a mixture of info and my personal opinions on what may have happened (this may be all false - I am not guaranteeing it's true at this time).

The main points of this list start at #7.

1. Quickseller was recently removed from the DefaultTrust list, perceivably for being unethical with his ratings. He has now been re-added, however.

2. marcotheminer is a signature campaign manager. ndnhc is also a signature campaign manager.

3. I have reason to believe marcotheminer wanted to take over ndnhc's campaign with DaDice, but that this failed. I will not verify this with ndnhc in PM by asking for proof, if he wants to publicly do that on this thread if he is allowed to then that'd be nice.

4. It is perceivable that Quickseller is somewhat friendly with marcotheminer, even using neutral DefaultTrust feedbacks to communicate with him. This is speculation but either way it doesn't really need to be said, I just decided to. It doesn't particularly matter if QS is friends with marcotheminer but it's worth noting.

5. Point #3 resulted in a fail as ndnhc remained the manager of the campaign. However, what better way would there be to take control of the signature campaign than to get ndnhc kicked...for extortion?

6. ndnhc did not visit Bitcointalk on the 28th, 29th or 30th of May.

7. On May 26th, the DaDice Bounty Prediction contest closed. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11458306#msg11458306) It is understood that all guesses after that date would have been rendered invalid.

8. On the same thread page, only 4 posts after the announcement of the contest closing, question2 posted an entry using the address 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE. Timestamp: May 27, 2015, 09:44:49 PM. This timestamp is important. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11467648#msg11467648) Why would someone be entering when it's clear the contest is over?

9. On May 28, 2015, at 02:18:36 PM forum time, question2 edited the post changing a "1" in the address to an "I". ndnhc was away at this time and unable to access bitcointalk. There is also no sane reason ndnhc would decide to change it if he was honestly guilty, as this increased suspicions.

10. Timestamp: May 27, 2015, 10:30:41 PM. Quickseller opens the "ndnhc is an extortionist" thread with only 45 minutes, 46 seconds having passed since question2 posted the address. That is an extremely fast response time for a read in a section that is not even popular for most users (Games and Rounds? You trying to tell me that's a main section?).

11. Quickseller must have done all of the following in 45 minutes and 46 seconds:

- Looked through an obsolete section
- Looked through a sea of threads
- Happened to find that post
- Looked up the address
- Looked at transaction logs and actually (assuming he uses blockchain.info as that is what he linked to) happened to have just clicked on the first transaction id on the address page to find the second address used to sign - the transactions on the address page (https://blockchain.info/address/12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE) do not show other input addresses
- Looked up this second address
- Found it matched to ndnhc with thread proof
- Typed up the entire accusation with archive links, quotes, "proof", etc.

12. Quickseller is either a heavy user of steroids and in training with Usain Bolt, or something is wrong here.

13. Quickseller has been reported to have a history of unethical ratings.

14. Even if he managed to *somehow* do that in 45 minutes, 46 seconds (which let's be honest, could you do all that from scratch with no idea of what was going to happen, just randomly browsing bitcointalk?), he didn't even give time to consider the report.

15. Let's go back to point #9. Why did this happen? Did someone want to strengthen the case?

16. Wait, strengthen the case? Who in their right mind would do something to make themselves look more suspicious...? Unless...it was a framing?

That's all for me. If you want to donate in some hope you'll be able to track the transaction later on to find that I signed it with another address so that you can find out (No, that isn't happening, I'll use a mixer) then my (fresh) address is 18zoAoKTgTv5NJqEvLSwFWoxGWf5MQZVGv.

Also, I may if this boils over well, decide to reveal my identity. Maybe.

Some extra butter: Anything that may lead to who framed ndnhc, if you think it wasn't QS, is appreciated. I want to find out who this bugger is.

I don't have the time right now to read everything you've written but I do have the time to answer your thread question.

"Did Quickseller & marcotheminer frame ndnhc?" No, I did not frame ndnhc. This sound like one heck of a conspiracy theory.

I'm fairly sure I know your main account, doesn't matter though.

Doesn't answer for Quickseller though. The events are curious.

I'm not speaking on behalf of any other user. I edited the quoted post by the way.

I don't think QS and/or Marco framed ndnc nor do I think ndnc is extortionist. Only thing ndnc has to do now is to prove that 1GjMtZop3K6JZW7emBWXC11ZhdQ1xEJwpm is a deposit address.


People do enter after contest is over. Go through threads and you will see.

You actually kinda sound like me, other than the depth 2 part.

It is ndnhc ;D

I clearly said it need not be a deposit address after all. It could be a wallet address (or a shared wallet) more likely. The address is 17 months old, so I am still trying to figure out where it came from. It will make things more clear. But it won't prove me true or false. Just make me know what happened with a little more clarity. :)
I found a btcoracle link (I posted it there) which meant it could both send and receive with the same address.



The point is I don't. Plus, I will use my real account as I used to.
I read the thread before posting.

Maybe I am.

Probably my last post with this account;

@Zakir Please let me bring your attention to the following quote. I'm not sure how this isn't suspicious:


Peace.

I don't know what good this thread does other than needlessly confuse the situation. It looks to be purely opinionated and not actualy based on any evidence. I think it's unfair to try blame QS or Marco just as much as it is to blame ndnhc in the first place. Without more evidence I don't think its fair to blame any of them in my opinion.

:)
Quickseller just removed his negative trust too. :)

I honestly don't know who did it or who is to blame. Although I still have a list of suspects.  ;D

Nope. I did not try to frame him. I explained how I made the connection between the two accounts here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072408.msg11478448#msg11478448).


Your point 9 is also invalid, as this fact takes someone's word as fact which is heresy.

#1 is wrong, as this was not the reason. BadBear removed me because I had gotten two alts wrong with my trust, however he wouldn't tell me which ones. It had nothing to do with ethics.

#4 - being friendly with someone has nothing to do with one's willingness to abuse the trust system to further their profits

#13 - No I don't.

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I cannot speak to anything that anyone else did or did not do. However using a throwaway account is not straightening your case IMO.

lol this forum gets crazier by the minute...


https://i.imgur.com/8wGqQlU.jpg

Interesting read,it did cross my mind as a possibility also, however highly unlikely that anything can be proven, it's all insinuations.
Too bad we dont have the ability to track login IP's to clear things up a bit.

I didn't mean to log into this account again, but seeing that kind of pissed me off...

I wouldn't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory. I don't appreciate your spam-esque response, especially as I think you're generally an alright guy Blazedout.

Note I'm merely pointing out things I find weird, mainly the time it took QS to respond. I appreciate that QS made a response, so thanks for that @QS.

But if you think I shouldn't take ndnhc's word, are you implying you think he wasn't framed?

That likely wouldn't sort the situation either. If it was one of the three I'm sure they'd be wise enough to use tor or not their normal IP. Since QS has removed the feedback and I'm sure vod will to I think this should just be marked as inconclusive but there's definitly not enough evidence to pin any wrong doing on anyone in my opinion.

I seriously don't think that Marco or any other pirated copy of James Bond will try to frame ndnhc. It's most probably a member who was a part of the dadice campaign and who recently was removed/denied payment by the campaign tried to frame ndnhc. Only ndnhc would be able to check this and expose him as other members here aren't even interested in finding out the culprit. The newbie account hasn't been active since May 28th and it's likely that he/she would try to come back with another account and scam someone else. Rather than arguing about the former case, the forum needs to know the real culprit.

It isn't exactly as complicated as a conspiracy theory.

A hated B and C. A blackmailed B. Then an idea struck him! A framed C. Done.

Anyway, I am sure A has been active at least recently, since it struck him to change the address posted then.





Fair point. That is why my list of suspects isn't just 2 or 3 members.  ;D
I am not going to bother about this. I got to manage and fix the campaign I am responsible for.

Everyday a new fantastic story http://techforum.it/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/asd.gif What will it be the next one?  Without real proof an  accusation can't stay up or am I wrong? However I also don't think Quickseller or marcotheminer were the responsible.

It actually does look like he was framed... I guess you have never seen that movie.

I do not think QS or Marco did this though.

Also the picture was apparently a failed attempt at some humor - We will now start seeing lots of conspiracy theories here now that someone has been framed.

I think you might be right that we should draw this as inconclusive. I never claimed my evidence was good, I just think it is something that should definitely be considered due to strange implications. So there you go.

This 360 second posting timer is such a pain.

Maybe you should use your main account or are you worried of/by something/someone?

Maybe Quickseller should identify himself first? Might shed light on the whole thing.

Maybe you guys should also read the theory I posted why it could be Quickseller. Anyways, I am tired of trying to defend myself for the negative trust on my account, specially by TBZ at first, even after posting all the proof. It clearly shows how broken the trust system is.

What I was going to say. If the accusation had any truth to it there would be no problem using your main account, but it is a conspiracy based on no evidence and just opinion and I think that's why you chose to use another account.

If you had followed the thread I had created, you would have seen that question2 had posted in the DaDice signature campaign thread, which I follow pretty closely which is what got my attention to the post that question2 had made in their giveaway thread.

I am saying that ndnhc's inability to access the forum for those three days is heresy and is impossible to prove. I would not take that as evidence to support his guilt or innocence.

As I mentioned to ndnhc via PM, the reason why I removed the trust was because:

Yes, @redsn0w and @311, if you had actually bothered to read the whole thread properly:


I have also stated I will verify who I am to a staff member if they really want to know as long as they do not disclose who I am. I also do not want to risk breaking any possible deals in the future by pissing someone off unintentionally ;)

I don't see how timestamped proof can have no truth to it because I'm on a throwaway. Christ above, what is wrong with some of you today? I have no problem with you defending Quickseller (I ain't like those tools who shill-fight dogie and Vod), none at all, but you're doing it blindly.

To build on "I have no problem with you defending Quickseller" I actually want to see responses from him defending himself. I would rather him be innocent than guilty. I'm just very confused by the speed.

@QS: Thanks for your response again. That does make sense.

If Quickseller didn't frame ndnhc, however, we should move onto the question of: who did? Can we determine that? Is it worth trying? Et cetera.

You don't need to bother about finding the culprit dear but just be alert now as the scammer can try to attack you once again (hatred being the reason). I'm sure there are many members here who are experienced in finding about such scammers.  ;)

Then you should not say :


However this is only another speculative thread without some real proofs. I am sure if you were courageous you will post from your main account, but I really doubt you will do it.


Really impossible without the help of an admin, I am still searching who (almost) screwed up me and the other user during my escrow service....  ::)

One thing also to note , not that it matters but even if in the future you happen to scam , it can easily be concluded to say you are being framed  :P
I still believe QS to be responsible for this though , and he made it quick before people started pointing more fingers at him. Right now resolving the negative trust on you was the best move for him , to avoid any questiosn raised whether it was him who tried to frame you.

This is the kind of thing that I would have hopped that BadBear would have addressed by outing the alts of question2, however for some reason he has not done so.

I don't know if it can be determined who was behind question2 or not. I somewhat doubt that whoever is behind it will ever login to the account again. The best bet to finding who is behind question2 is BadBear looking into alts.

However I have asked ndnhc for a list of the people who have been kicked from the DaDice campaign and I will put them on my radar so to speak. I don't think I will be able to find who did with that information, however if they are willing to do something like this then they are likely willing to do other shady things as well, and it will only be a matter of time before they pull off some other scam.

Being so fast and eager to leave ratings shows that the person itself is doubtful. There is a saying in hindi "Jaldi ka kaam shaitaan ka hota hai" which means "Working faster than expected is the devil's work"

Being it ndnhc or any other reputed DF member being a scammer is possible but I've noticed that people who are usually hot tempered/abusers/bashers who are actual scammers. The people who abuse and insult usually do it because they have nothing to say to defend their statement/claim. They scam not to feed themselves but to show how the person they scammed is a fool and they think it's right.

Ndnhc seemed quite cool and jovial and hence I never doubted him but I wish I could say the same about others here. Now I hope some people don't jump to conclusions too fast and at least spend some time in talking to the person whom they doubt and finding a reason to claim them as a scammer.

Anyone ask this already? Why from so many people posting address in Dadice prediction thread, he stalk in question2?

Most people will not even check the address posted there, especially if it is a newbie account

Newbies' posts are far more easier to find than others. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

Why question2? Apart from so many newbie or new account posting address for giveaway? Normal people will not even bother about it

If you checked that link I gave, you can see it only consists of newbies' posts. The link I gave is used to moderate/report spams by newbies. I don't know about QS but IIRC, I have seen him saying that he reports posts. So it is possible he saw it when he was going through patrol page. As it is known that question2 is an extortionist, QS may have checked about the address posted by him/her. I don't know how he did but there is an easier way -- https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE/links. He may or may not used this and we will have to ask him to know the answer. QS have a scambusting behavior, so it is also possible he is following that account closely or username in patrol page catched his eye or it is also possible he framed ndnhc(though I don't believe this).

I already checked out question2, didn't find anything conclusive. Using Tor, and not enough data to use other methods.

Is there any chance of getting the TXID that he used to pay the units of evil fee?

Did we check into why Quickseller was so unbelievable fast to falsely accuse a reputable member of the forums?

Will the mods/admins investigate the accusations leveled at Quickseller or Marcotheminer?

Any sanctions if either / both set up this frame job?

Can't access specific txid's right now (related to the proxy unban fee also not currently working). 

This one is important. Is there are way to see if google indexed this address & thread by the time he posted?

Actually, there's an itemized list of evidence 1-16 in the OP.  The most damning, IMO, is the incredibly fast response time from QS in finding it.  He made the same mistake when trolling me with an alt, necrobumping an old thread then "finding it" with his main within a super-short amount of time.  Anyway, obviuosly the evidence isn't conclusive, but inconclusive evidence is still evidence.


The spanish inquisition cries "heresy!".  (lol, couldn't help myself; given that QS's overzealousness is basically his downfall, this typo was too ironic)

Whoa, even more heresy!  Okay, time to be more helpful: quickseller, click here (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+heresy) Wait, if taking someone else's word is heresy, then I think QS is asking us to become heretics too!

I think he means "strengthening", but now I'm just being mean. :)

Why do you always assume they paid one? They could have easily just used a proxy to register then move on to tor.

I framed him.

Can you check the Login IPs?

I can't personally but I think IPs are only logged with your posts. If the person used a proxy to sign up their log-in IP will probably be irrelevant anyway.

Still, Can we try this?

If there was any evidence either for or against the accusation BadBear would have had access to it when he checked:


There's probably nothing else to be gleaned from it.

Because every time that I try to register an account while using a proxy there is a proxy ban fee to pay. If they used a proxy then they would probably still have a fee to pay, but if they somehow managed to not pay a fee with a proxy then it is most likely much more information would be available on the culprit.

I am not sure about login IP's but I know registration IP's are logged - they were leaked as part of the most recent hack, and they are used to calculate units of evil.

BadBear said that he doesn't have access to the txid's of the tx's that were used to pay the proxy ban fee right now. If this was the case when he checked then there could be additional information that has not yet been looked at.

Was this really you that was behind this?

https://blockchain.info/tx/e06fefd577ddc0005223d300e59f6f083252d043b0e200500ed84cddb0b9d714

BadBear, could you please check your PMs?

This is a interesting thread, seems a murder mystery....every day new episode...but i think ndnhc is a legit user, still i am watching this thread everyday. I hope ndnhc everything goes well for you.

The scam accusation against ndnhc is already solved so thats that, the OP is obviously someone that doesnt like quickseller and is trying to say shit about him, will we see another thread accusing OP of tryig to frame quickseller?

Well this conspiracy stories are getting ridiculous. No one will know who did it and besides anyone can have done those things. Possibly it can be a bored troll.

Wow, when did this forum start doing conspiracy theories?

Op, what made you start all this in the first place, boredom? it makes no sense to attack someone based no facts..

It seems to be fair game for Quickseller to run people's good name into the ground plenty of 'tinfoil' to go around. Fail.

Sadly it looks like this is a dead end :/

The following is based on the assumption that 1Bbi8eJbabgpAQcaYpTowtL6dG28xjygn5 belongs to theymos/bitcointalk

I believe that the input from the transaction is from 1Fr5mvdScKGt3zaS3Ws8ijvbakvohB2cjE which leads back to Localbitcoin after ~22 hops.

I believe the change address is 1CkGGk7MDqytUviQkdQV6CDjUmudwjpqD which is part of wallet  8baffa0123 (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/8baffa0123980887?from_address=1CkGGk7MDqytUviQkdQV6CDjUmudwjpqD). Initially I thought there might be something here, however I believe that wallet to have inputs from the following wallets:

• 604d02d2af (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/604d02d2aff0f0fe) - can be traced to LBC after 10 hops if following the largest inputs
• 044b5af06d (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/044b5af06dc70bd9) - can be traced to LBC after 10 hops if following the largest inputs
• 52512044d8 (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/52512044d8a960f5) - an be traced to LBC after 27 hops

As a result of the above, I believe that the input address belongs to LBC and the proxy fee was paid directly from someone's LBC account.

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I still believe that twipple (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90747) was still involved, however at this point this is still speculation.

He had posted an address that was associated with ndnhc here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=254871.msg11247161#msg11247161) (which was deleted within ~45 minutes of creating this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.0) thread - I was able to grab a screenshot (http://imgur.com/BLaV6yS) of it before it was deleted).

Also the thread that he created above (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473399#msg11473399)) has a writing/posting style that is very similar to ndnhc when he was previously (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=903908.msg9946303#msg9946303) accused of being a scammer. It is also similar to when he denied (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072408.msg11495198#msg11495198) being a scammer this time around (both were similar because other threads were directly quoted). (note: to be clear, I am not accusing ndnhc being the same person as twipple, but rather twipple trying to impersonate ndnhc).

The above is what I believe to be two instances of twipple trying to make it look like he was ndnhc. The first was too subtle and it would not make sense for that address to be posted because an address was not required for that giveaway. The second was something that I retroactively noticed while reviewing previous threads.

Twipple also started spamming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072408.msg11475858#msg11475858) the ndnhc thread that I opened with the above post several times accusing me of trying to frame ndnhc so he (twipple) would get a "permanent" negative rating.

It should be noted that the posting/writing style of twipple was different in other threads he created (1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.0), 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035687.0)).

Also once twipple received his negative rating from me, almost all of his posts were in 'quickseller' threads, and the ones that were not in 'quickseller' threads was him discussing me in someway. With that being said, twipple even went as far as 'egging on' joca97 here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1056790.msg11340848#msg11340848) when he was being blackmailed.

Most of this is circumstantial evidence against him, however it is a lot of such evidence.

This thread now is really looking like a thriller movie!  8)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Usual_suspects_ver1.jpg
ndnhc's suspects  ;D


A self-confession of a guilty user.  :D

okay, so if the rep have been removed, op just close the thread since everythings resolved?

It's not resolved because we still don't know who perpetrated this nonsense.  In my opinion, it's unlikely we will ever know, but just to be clear, the issues in the OP are not resolved.

Great movie. Quote that reminds me of a few members here:

Fenster: They treat me like a criminal, I'll end up a criminal.
Hockney: You are a criminal!
Fenster: Why you gotta go and do that? I'm trying to make a point.

 ;D

There certainly are a number of "accounts" looking to bury this thread before anyone does answer those questions. Who benefits when those questions stop being asked?