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Title: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: knolix on June 05, 2015, 02:00:17 AM
What do you guys think ?


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: jbrnt on June 05, 2015, 02:07:43 AM
Definitely halving I think. We are a long way to 1M on every block mined. I do not think we will suddenly have many merchants adopting bitcoin and an explosive number of new bitcoin users.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: subSTRATA on June 05, 2015, 02:11:16 AM
ill agree and say halving will definitely come first, the proposed 20 MB block size change is for the long term scalability, and we are still far from reaching the 1 MB size cap on every block mined currently.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: cryptoforcause on June 05, 2015, 02:13:19 AM
Halvening is going to come first and as reported it is supposed to come by the end of this year which shall cause a boom in the prices.
Maximum transactions would take another 2-3 years minimum.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: achow101 on June 05, 2015, 02:14:40 AM
Definitely the block reward halving. That occurs next July, and the 20 MB blocksize increase is planned for early 2016, a few months before the block halving. The block size increase is planned to occur way before the max transactions with the current block size.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: knolix on June 05, 2015, 02:22:48 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for bouth bitcoin and gavin coin ?


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: MicroGuy on June 05, 2015, 02:31:41 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for both bitcoin and gavin coin ?

Satoshi built Bitcoin, the currency we all use and love.

He selected the supply cap, the inflation rate, the mining algorithm, etc., etc. Let's not forget, he also selected Gavin. And Gavin is more important than the 21 million bitcoin cap. So if you want to throw Gavin under the bus, you might as well throw everything else there too.  


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: achow101 on June 05, 2015, 02:37:16 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for bouth bitcoin and gavin coin ?
There is no gavincoin, there is only Bitcoin. The block size increase is planned for a hard fork in Bitcoin when more than 90% of the network uses the proposed protocol.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: knolix on June 05, 2015, 02:50:04 AM
Satoshi built Bitcoin, the currency we all use and love.

He selected the supply cap, the inflation rate, the mining algorithm, etc., etc. Let's not forget, he also selected Gavin. And Gavin is more important than the 21 million bitcoin cap. So if you want to throw Gavin under the bus, you might as well throw everything else there too.  


Some of us might hate bitcoin if it lose us money

I would rather throw the 21 mil then Gavin ofcourse humans are more important then money.


But about 10 from the 21 mil it's mine and i want to know what i got into :)


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Alley on June 05, 2015, 03:27:04 AM
Most likely the halving unless all these institutions start using the blockchain for trading.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: anderson00673 on June 05, 2015, 04:36:00 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for bouth bitcoin and gavin coin ?

I think you are confused about this.  There will not be a second coin, no gavin coin, no double coin, none of this nonsense you have been reading from the noobswarm.  Oh, wait.  I get it.  Never mind, carry on.  Nothing to see here.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Lauda on June 05, 2015, 04:54:02 AM
If everything stays quiet in the Bitcoin world then yes. Otherwise don't be so sure about it. The halving will happen around ~29.07.2016. If we see another spike before that it is likely that we will exceed the maximum transactions (at least or a few blocks).

Halvening is going to come first and as reported it is supposed to come by the end of this year which shall cause a boom in the prices.
Maximum transactions would take another 2-3 years minimum.
Your estimation is wrong, but that is wrong. However, you're posting nonsense because of your signature. It takes a maximum of 10 seconds to check when the halving is (if you're slow). It took me literally 2 seconds to verify before posting.

I think you are confused about this.  There will not be a second coin, no gavin coin, no double coin, none of this nonsense you have been reading from the noobswarm.  Oh, wait.  I get it.  Never mind, carry on.  Nothing to see here.
Everyday it is the same thing..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1079743.msg11531999#msg11531999


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Amph on June 05, 2015, 07:13:01 AM
probably halving, because the 20mb transaction limit is expected to enter in play by march, and from march to july, there is not enough time for skyrocketing to 20mb, and saturate it


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Brewins on June 05, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
If the number of transactions get dangerously close to maximum block limit something will be made quickly, because no one would like to risk the whole Bitcoin system.



Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Amph on June 05, 2015, 10:29:15 AM
probably halving, because the 20mb transaction limit is expected to enter in play by march, and from march to july, there is not enough time for skyrocketing to 20mb, and saturate it

I'm pretty sure he meant 1MB limit.

then this discussion is pointless, because it is expected to be fully saturated around march, and tx limit is increasing on average every day, he just need to take a look at the chart



Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: newIndia on June 05, 2015, 10:45:19 AM
If the number of transactions get dangerously close to maximum block limit something will be made quickly, because no one would like to risk the whole Bitcoin system.



Bitcoin network will not break down if 1 MB limit is reached. Recently there was a spam test in bitcoin network which artificially created huge Tx volume to jam the network. It just took some extra time for those transactions to be confirmed and everything came back to normalcy. If the cap is not increased but Tx volume keep increasing, then network will just be a bit slow and that's all.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: medUSA on June 05, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
Halving is mid 2016. and we're at mid 2015 with avg block size of over 900KB!

^ These figures are a bit different to what I remember

Halving is estimated to be around 2016 July
Source: http://bitcoinclock.com

Average block size is ranging from 0.35M to 0.45M
Source: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=180days

and there is no need for bad language in discussions  ;)


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: unamis76 on June 05, 2015, 01:10:10 PM
Halving will come first, definitely... IF we solve the block size issue ASAP


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: DarkHyudrA on June 05, 2015, 01:27:12 PM
With the 20MB per block limit, definetely the block reward halving of course.
That's the idea of why the limit per block is so high: it's a long term "fix".
But with 1MB there's chance to be a block that is fully filled before the halving.

Halving is mid 2016. and we're at mid 2015 with avg block size of over 900KB!

^ These figures are a bit different to what I remember

Halving is estimated to be around 2016 July
Source: http://bitcoinclock.com

Average block size is ranging from 0.35M to 0.45M
Source: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=180days

and there is no need for bad language in discussions  ;)

Average isn't the max.
We can't wait to the Average to be 1MB. Even if the Average was 750KB it would be bad, it would be a signal that some blocks on critical times are being fully filled.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: knolix on June 06, 2015, 12:07:52 PM
With the 20MB per block limit, definetely the block reward halving of course.
That's the idea of why the limit per block is so high: it's a long term "fix".
But with 1MB there's chance to be a block that is fully filled before the halving.

Halving is mid 2016. and we're at mid 2015 with avg block size of over 900KB!

^ These figures are a bit different to what I remember

Halving is estimated to be around 2016 July
Source: http://bitcoinclock.com

Average block size is ranging from 0.35M to 0.45M
Source: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=180days

and there is no need for bad language in discussions  ;)

Average isn't the max.
We can't wait to the Average to be 1MB. Even if the Average was 750KB it would be bad, it would be a signal that some blocks on critical times are being fully filled.


I think even if we reach Avarage of 1MB and no fork happens bitcoin won't suffer will just test what will hapen when the 21 mil cap is reach and the fees are the only revenue for miners who support the network


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Herbert2020 on June 06, 2015, 12:35:39 PM
i think we still have time until max transaction limit is reached, so block having IMO is going to be here sooner than any changes in block size.
besides changing the block size still needs much more arguing and work to be implemented.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on June 06, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
What do you guys think ?

new account but you seem to have at least a little bit of understanding - and the question is nice too. so welcome here  ;)

halving i would say too. (but i want the fork before the halving if this is possible :-X )


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: kelsey on June 07, 2015, 09:12:15 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for both bitcoin and gavin coin ?

Satoshi built Bitcoin, the currency we all use and love.

He selected the supply cap, the inflation rate, the mining algorithm, etc., etc. Let's not forget, he also selected Gavin. And Gavin is more important than the 21 million bitcoin cap. So if you want to throw Gavin under the bus, you might as well throw everything else there too.  

why keep lying to everyone, you hate bitcoin and have trolled it for the longest time, now you spam throughout the forum with going Gavin's fork only cause you want to see bitcoin fail (in some vain delerious hope ur own shitcoin will make it).


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: S4VV4S on June 07, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
Is the 20 MB blocksize increase planned for both bitcoin and gavin coin ?

Satoshi built Bitcoin, the currency we all use and love.

He selected the supply cap, the inflation rate, the mining algorithm, etc., etc. Let's not forget, he also selected Gavin. And Gavin is more important than the 21 million bitcoin cap. So if you want to throw Gavin under the bus, you might as well throw everything else there too.  

I don't know how you made that speculation, but Gavin is not more important than anything when it comes to Bitcoin.
That would defy the whole principle of being decentralized.
Apart from that, if Gavin was to depart, Bitcoin would take a hit but it would survive it as it did many other obstacles.

On topic: I think halving will come first.
I believe we still have a long way until we hit the 1mb limit.


Title: Re: Which comes first: Halving or max transactions exceeded?
Post by: Possum577 on June 07, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
Halvening is going to come first and as reported it is supposed to come by the end of this year which shall cause a boom in the prices.
Maximum transactions would take another 2-3 years minimum.

You should read more about the impact of the halving. It's definitely not a guarantee that it will cause "a boom in the prices." Halving may have very little impact at all, particularly if demand remains the same as it is now. Supply is important but without increased demand, significant increase in demand you won't be seeing any moon-rise mornings.