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Can anyone shed some light on what is going on?

I'm not a Monero holder, but I occasionally trade it and would be very interested in knowing what you're talking about. Please provide some references.

Is this in reference to the newb account on reddit who made claims about Monero, but won't provide evidence because "they are protecting their source themselves?"  Or in plain speak: a shorter probably went rogue and decided rumor might destroy what facts can't.  ;)

*www.reddit.com/r/CryptoMarkets/comments/39hdqh/xmr_trading_is_suspended_on_bter_and_trademark_cd/

I was off and on both the forums he mentioned most of yesterday and didn't see a thing posted on this. Unless others can corroborate,  the guy or girl is most likely lying.

any links on this other then the bs post on reddit?

Polo trollbox MOD said it's FUD. Good luck with your short positions.  ;D

Citations needed--asking for proof is not keeping things under wraps, it is not jumping to the wrong conclusion in what so far has been a newb post (that i had to find) on reddit that has zero citations. By the way, if you look at the copyright for Moneero it is for 2015 and not 2014 when Monero was branded. I'm guessing Moneero added an e to keep from being sued by Monero, not vice versa.

Until some proof is provided, I'm going to err on the side of motivated party spreading FUD.

Actually, if a Cease and Desist order is ignored, they may be sued.

After looking at this a bit closer, it appears to be nothing but BS. If Monero actually received such an order, my guess is that they will just ignore it. It's simply an harassment C&D (if it exists at all).

This is unfortunate for Monero, but MONEERO has every right here.  They where first and Monero should have done some basic due dilligence.

However, a did a basic trademark search in the U.S. and it does not appear to be registered.  So at least in the US they may have a fighting chance.

moneero is a small uruguayan BTC startup, they are going to shutdown monero worldwide once and for all  ::)

so much BS talk just hurts...

W0w anyone that believes this is a retard, it's not even spelled the same.  ::)

There is a registered trademark for Moneero in the United States to as per the USPTO. They claim The registration number is  86158015. so far so good. I see however a problem here: Most if not all the services they claim trademark / servicemark rights over require registration with FinCEN and there is no record of a FinCEN registration for Moneero S.A at http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html (http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html).

I do not know if any cease and desist letters have been sent and to whom. The first question that comes to my mind is does the defence of "Unclean Hands" http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/unclean-hands/ (http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/unclean-hands/) apply to a situation where a company is claiming trademark infringement in the United States over services that require registration with FinCEN, and the company is not registered as an MSB with FinCEN?

Now where else did I see the defence of "unclean hands" claimed in trademark disputes involving crypto-currencies?

Interesting, so founded in 2013.

I can see why they are pissy but I'm not sure who exactly they are sending the C&D orders.

Here's a question. If Monero is decentralized and without central authority, who could they send such a letter to? And if someone or some organization is held liable (if they ignore the letter), what would that say about the decentralized status of Monero in particular as well as decentralization of all digital currency?

More importantly, being a decentralized body with no real representative or responsible party, could they send the cease and desist letters to github and/or sourceforge regardless of whether there is someone to send the letter to

It is a great question and the decentralized status of Monero could easily make the term Monero impossible to trademark especially given that it is also used as a noun. The International Trademark Association has a brochure on what happens to trademarks when they are used as nouns or verbs. http://www.inta.org/Media/Documents/2012_TMUseMediaInternetPublishing.pdf (http://www.inta.org/Media/Documents/2012_TMUseMediaInternetPublishing.pdf). In reality this can become no different than trying to trademark "gold" as a form of money. Now if we are dealing with a centralized form of digital currency this is another matter entirely.

Edit: Sending a cease and desist letter can also open the possibility of litigation against the sender by those who are impacted. In the case of a decentralised currency such as Monero this can be anyone who holds, trades or does any business involving Monero.

Excellent points - especially the noun part.

While this seems like a negative in the very near term, the publicity may not be all bad.

My thoughts exactly. My guess is this would go differently than what was the case with the Kanye West coin 'Coinye'. In that case they sent the C&D letter to an email address of the presumable creators of the coin (coinyewest@gmail.com). Among other hilarious things like the dev team sending their own C&D letter to Kanye, there was a lawsuit against the creators of the coin prompting them to sell their Coinye holdings and leave the project. Eventually they dumped their coins and abandoned the project but the lawsuit probably had nothing to do with that.

"Moneero" is registered in a small South American country  and has no ties to "Monero" which stands for a decentralized currency. They are words in different languages, presumably, so this c n d is worthless. I believe it's all lies/fud regardless.

For starters I have not seen any evidence of Moneero S.A. sending any c&d letters to anyone.

Doesn't matter if the words are spelled differently.  The two names are similar and fall under the same Goods and Services category.

It's like if I were to open a hamburger restaurant, and name it "Whendees"

Something interesting I saw here: http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-sell-bitcoin-trademark-buyer-enforce/

"Saper suggested that Tibanne was granted the bitcoin trademark because at the time, the digital currency was not well known among government officials and regulators. As a result, it’s possible that the company acquired the trademark simply because whoever approved it didn’t know that bitcoin was a generic term, she said, explaining:"

"First, because Tibanne was not the originator of the term, anyone who subsequently purchases it would have to prove that the word hadn’t entered general usage prior to time the trademark was first acquired. The word first appeared in 2009 in Satoshi Nakamoto’s original white paper."

-The word "Monero" has been around a lot longer than when "Moneero" got trademarked in 2013 and seems generic enough considering it means "coin" in the Esperanto language, so goodluck with the fake C & D. (Not much into law, just pointing it out).

examples ? that sounds like bs..

what, you came back from retirement and forgot how to fucking google something? really?

It's bullshit, there's probably hundreds of companies who have trademarked 'nxt' 'bit' 'byte' etc, monero translates to currency, it's stupid to believe this is even enforcable.

Well, it goes like this:

"Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun."

Except if whendees started using that phrase, little oompa loompas would come out and take augustus out of the chocolate factory.

Kinda like that.

I usually place cease and desist letters where they belong, in the trash.

Take action if they file a lawsuit which will probably never happen.

Far-fetched

What would they even do? File a lawsuit against who exactly? The devs? Are the devs even responsible for the name of a decentralised system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

Ridiculous. IF there was a name violation, then it would have been by moneero...
A registered trademark can be rejected easily, if someone else had already a webpage before.

Hm, I think I returned them feedback that moneero might be confused with the Monero Project when they solicited the BitAngels mailing list in April.  

r.laverde@moneero.com
"BizDev Jedi of moneero"


A cease and desist notice is kind of a scummy move. Guy never responded to me either.

Not to mention (guess I am) that even if this coin ever changes it's name it would not be a rebrand apparently the OP doesn't even know what a rebrand is.

Yeah because that always works out nicely. /s

Why are you making such a fuss on bitcointalk then?

Someone huh? Lol

This is like someone issuing a cease and desist for someone using the word Money and the party has a trademark called Moneey.

You can't sue. Fucking stupid!

Mooney. :)