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Title: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Coma on May 31, 2011, 07:12:40 PM By regular people I mean non close to the IT related world.
I was wondering how one regular person perceives the concepto of Bitcoin and how I perceived it being a software developer. Tried to explain it to some people and I frquently ended up explaining what a hash is, and once I could do it, still had a hard time explaining how a currency was based on that. I even had problems explaining it to people from IT. I even still have some minor doubts, which I think are mostly about economy more than technology-wise. I also think the begginer guides are not efficient and/or even slightly misleading. It would be cool if some of you could share your experience on how did you explained the Bitcoin system to someone. http://urielmania.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hackers_ver1.jpg Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Jaime Frontero on May 31, 2011, 07:25:11 PM "it's like PayPal without the fees."
easy. (forget who first said that - sorry. it wasn't me.) just get them pumped about commerce in Bitcoin. explain the security and how fast it is. and how unstoppable and essentially unregulatable. and how appreciation of the exchange rate is beneficial in commerce. skip the tech, and the mining. if they want to know, they can find out. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: FreeMoney on May 31, 2011, 07:28:03 PM "it's like PayPal without the fees." easy. (forget who first said that - sorry. it wasn't me.) just get them pumped about commerce in Bitcoin. explain the security and how fast it is. and how unstoppable and essentially unregulatable. and how appreciation of the exchange rate is beneficial in commerce. skip the tech, and the mining. if they want to know, they can find out. You need to say that it isn't dollars or they are going to think they have to chance of losing value. PayPal means to people that they get their dollars back (eventually, lol). Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Sukrim on May 31, 2011, 07:29:14 PM I sometimes compare it to gold/diamonds:
* It is a rare, limited ressource * It's value compared to EUR/USD... can rise and fall, based on demand (supply is more or less constant) * BTC themselves are not very valuable/useful (like gold which has only limited chemical uses, diamonds can be used industrially as they are hard stones, but no need for "nice, shiny" ones...) the value they have is artificial * Even though they are "computer stuff" and a lot of people believe "everything can be hacked" (and also "the police can hack everything" interestingly... hello Hollywood/CSI/24!), great care has been taken that they can NOT be cloned/copied/"hacked" - as long as the own "wallet" is kept safe, the coins in there are safe too * They are a mixture between "cash money" (anonymous, no fees [well, not really true, there can be tiny fees] when paying in cash) and "online banking money" (transactions take a little bit of time, ~1 hour, you'll need to send transactions online) Actually I don't really see the need to explain how a hashed blockchain works when explaining Bitcoins. Do you start to explain the SSL-protocol when telling someone how to do online banking?! The currency is based on processing the current transactions. This requires enormous computing power and until the whole 21 million BTC are "mined" (like gold/diamonds are being mined) a few of these are being generated and given to the people that provide this computing power. This will however become less and less until the 21 million limit is reached and after that it is anticipated that people will include small "tips" to get their transactions done. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Jaime Frontero on May 31, 2011, 07:30:34 PM "it's like PayPal without the fees." easy. (forget who first said that - sorry. it wasn't me.) just get them pumped about commerce in Bitcoin. explain the security and how fast it is. and how unstoppable and essentially unregulatable. and how appreciation of the exchange rate is beneficial in commerce. skip the tech, and the mining. if they want to know, they can find out. You need to say that it isn't dollars or they are going to think they have to chance of losing value. PayPal means to people that they get their dollars back (eventually, lol). true. but that's where this comes into play: Quote and how appreciation of the exchange rate is beneficial in commerce. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: PLATO on May 31, 2011, 07:45:25 PM Quote from: PLATO irl Bitcoin's the first mainstream internet currency. We have dollars, pesos, yuan, and now Bitcoins. The system's brand new, which is why you're hearing about it now. It's snowballing right now; in a few years everyone will have heard of it. There's a few big advantages of using Bitcoins over Dollars. First, Bitcoin is decentralized. There's no bank or government that's in charge of the system. Instead, Bitcoin users agree on a common set of rules, and thanks to open source programming and cryptography, the system is secure. This decentralization means that unlike previous digital currencies, there's no one in the middle - Digicash, EGold, Liberty Dollars all failed due to noncompliance or poor business management or whatever, but Bitcoin will exist as long as people use it. Second, there's a limited supply of Bitcoins. A coke cost your grandma a nickel, but costs you a buck fifty, because the Federal Reserve keeps printing more money, making each dollar worth a bit less. No one can 'print more Bitcoins' - one bitcoin will always be the same slice of the Bitcoin pie. [There are 21 million Bitcoins, but, you can split them up - I can senddue to inflation you 0.0005 Bitcoins, etc.] Third, it's a democratic system. Using Bitcoins is as simple as getting a Bitcoin receiving address and telling people the address. Any Bitcoins sent to that address are now yours. It's just as easy to start receiving Bitcoins as it is to send Bitcoins, but if you want to accept Visa, it's a lot more difficult than simply using your Visa on Amazon.com. [How does it work?] Every Bitcoin transaction, ever, is stored in something called the Blockchain. This is like an accounting ledger that tracks which addresses are authorized to spend Bitcoins. When Alice's address sends Bob's address a bitcoin, this shows up in the block chain, at which point Bob is now the owner of the bitcoin. If Alice tries to send that same bitcoin to Carol, Carol's Bitcoin software will check the blockchain, and notice that she's no longer authorized to spend it, and reject the transaction. [Who makes Bitcoins? How are they created?] Right now there are 6 million bitcoins. They're generated at a predictable rate, as rewards for "miners" processing transactions for the network. This keeps everything secure - the more miners there are, the harder it is to attack the network. There is a competitive market to earn these coins; since they're in high demand. Anyone can use their computer to try and mine Bitcoins, but practically speaking, you need a high-end ATI graphics card to see much profit. The total computing power of the Bitcoin network is bigger than Folding@Home. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Horkabork on May 31, 2011, 07:49:29 PM Knowing that my shady friends are more interested in things that are framed as being either dangerous or illegal, I just lie and say that it's a big Ponzi scheme. This makes them more inclined to join in than if I tried to explain bitcoins for real. Later, when they've had a chance to mine or trade bitcoins, we'll both know that I lied and have a laugh and then probably go eat some Thai food or something.
Then, much like what happened with bitcoins, someone will try to eat a really hot Thai dish and I'll say, "I don't know man. I think that's too hot for you." and they'll eat it just to prove me wrong and set their mouth on fire. This is how my relationships go. People are more likely to learn or do things if it is to prove me wrong. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: PLATO on May 31, 2011, 07:56:06 PM horkabork do you have a twitter feed I enjoyed that last post
Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: airdata on May 31, 2011, 08:08:15 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?"
Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Jaime Frontero on May 31, 2011, 08:16:39 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?" the BitStork. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Horkabork on May 31, 2011, 08:18:18 PM horkabork do you have a twitter feed I enjoyed that last post Not anymore. The only twitter account I ever used was for the sole purpose of tweeting while I was pooping or when I saw someone heading to the bathroom to poop. It was all just gross pooping details and postulating what coworkers ate the previous day based on my observations. Friends all thought it was some sort of commentary on how I thought that they should stop tweeting and facebooking mundane crap in their lives that nobody cares about. But the real purpose was that I had an office right next to a bathroom and devised the scheme as a way to make coworkers walk to another floor to do their business. It worked. In this tale there is actually some sort of half-assed lesson about explaining bitcoins. People are less inclined to eat sausage if you truthfully and accurately explain sausage-making to them, unless they are huge sausage nerds who are really into sausage production. If your goal is to get people into bitcoins and they aren't massive finance nerds, sometimes it's best to just talk about delicious sausages and how you are able to buy them and eat them with your profits from bitcoin mining. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: BombaUcigasa on May 31, 2011, 08:32:11 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?" Computing Power / ( Electricity + Time ) You are buying bitcoins in your own house while sitting on your couch. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Sukrim on May 31, 2011, 08:35:39 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?" Tell your wife to imagine a blank sheet of paper. Then she should imagine whoever in your country prints money (federal bank...) printing a bank note on that paper. Ask her "Were did the 100 Dollar/Euros/... come from, that were printed on this sheet of paper?" Answer: Someone calculated that it's ok and reasonable at this point of time to issue x amount of bank notes. They come from nowhere. The same goes for bitcoin, only that it has been predetermined far longer than with other money (as the boss of the central bank might have a good day and decide to print 2 million dollars more, because it's Tuesday) since after the money has been released, there is no longer someone controlling it. It has rather been said "This is how much there will be, ever!" and if anyone in the network tries to change this, the rest of the network will just say "you don't play by the initial rules, I don't believe you!". Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: PabloW on May 31, 2011, 08:37:41 PM When I explain people I have to go all back and explain them why the money (a piece of paper) has a value, and I tell them to think about how money was created in first place :)
Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Coma on May 31, 2011, 08:39:35 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?" That's what I'm talking about. Great posts guys, keep 'em coming. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: kjj on May 31, 2011, 08:53:20 PM My wife said " but where does the money come from?" the BitStork.+1 Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: nazgulnarsil on May 31, 2011, 09:11:58 PM I generally lead strong.
U WANT MIRRION DOLLAR?! Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: hazek on May 31, 2011, 09:44:06 PM Would this be a valid way of how to explain it?: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10502.0
Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Coma on May 31, 2011, 10:47:58 PM Would this be a valid way of how to explain it?: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=10502.0 I think the content is important, but it should be as didactic and sythetic as possible. Maybe too much information can be counterproductive. Still thinking of it. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: nazgulnarsil on June 01, 2011, 12:13:16 AM I just tried explaining BTC to an old person IRL. They don't believe that anything that you can't hold in your hand has any value. The example of chinese people mining gold in WoW as a full time job didn't phase them.
Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: kjj on June 01, 2011, 12:25:55 AM I just tried explaining BTC to an old person IRL. They don't believe that anything that you can't hold in your hand has any value. The example of chinese people mining gold in WoW as a full time job didn't phase them. Generally speaking, this is because people think that there is something backing the dollar, or whatever. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Coma on June 01, 2011, 12:49:13 PM I just tried explaining BTC to an old person IRL. They don't believe that anything that you can't hold in your hand has any value. The example of chinese people mining gold in WoW as a full time job didn't phase them. Generally speaking, this is because people think that there is something backing the dollar, or whatever. I believe that one of the benefits of Bitcoins over traditional currencies is that it pushes you to actively find out what is it about. Traditional currencies are considered "given" and taken for granted. Maybe with a more concious population Greece, Ireland and US crisis wouldn't have happened at all. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: hazek on June 05, 2011, 10:52:54 PM I believe that one of the benefits of Bitcoins over traditional currencies is that it pushes you to actively find out what is it about. Traditional currencies are considered "given" and taken for granted. Maybe with a more concious population Greece, Ireland and US crisis wouldn't have happened at all. Yeah dream on. History shows us that the vast majority of people are sheep who see only what's right in front of them and are very susceptible to trickery and fraud. If you are right and people could understand how the fiat money hurts them, they would have never given up the privilege to own real money in the first place. If and when Bitcoin will be used by these general types it won't be because they understand it like we early supporters do but because they see others use an trust it. And you can count on it. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Frozenlock on June 05, 2011, 11:10:58 PM I believe that one of the benefits of Bitcoins over traditional currencies is that it pushes you to actively find out what is it about. Traditional currencies are considered "given" and taken for granted. Maybe with a more concious population Greece, Ireland and US crisis wouldn't have happened at all. Yeah dream on. History shows us that the vast majority of people are sheep who see only what's right in front of them and are very susceptible to trickery and fraud. If you are right and people could understand how the fiat money hurts them, they would have never given up the privilege to own real money in the first place. If and when Bitcoin will be used by these general types it won't be because they understand it like we early supporters do but because they see others use an trust it. And you can count on it. +1 If someone doesn't already understand the difference between fiat and gold, don't bother. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: just_someguy on June 05, 2011, 11:22:09 PM I've had a hard enough time explaining it to people who are software developers with crypto backgrounds.
Common folk have no chance. When I do try to explain it I have to basically simplify it to the point that what I'm saying is completely incorrect. I leave out the part that only a fraction of the 21M exist. Then I just say there is a closed system of 21M tokens that will not get larger and they are spent by encrypting them to someone else. None of that is correct but its the closest I can get without having peoples eyes glaze over. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: mikewillz on June 05, 2011, 11:40:29 PM I've had a hard enough time explaining it to people who are software developers with crypto backgrounds. Common folk have no chance. When I do try to explain it I have to basically simplify it to the point that what I'm saying is completely incorrect. I leave out the part that only a fraction of the 21M exist. Then I just say there is a closed system of 21M tokens that will not get larger and they are spent by encrypting them to someone else. None of that is correct but its the closest I can get without having peoples eyes glaze over. +1 It's a doozie for all those Zombies out there I tell ya. I just want them to stay sleep a lil while longer, so mt. gox and dwolla won't be so backed up. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Karmicads on June 06, 2011, 12:08:46 AM "it's like PayPal without the fees." easy. (forget who first said that - sorry. it wasn't me.) It kinda reminds me of the Einstein quote explaining how radio works. "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat." --Albert Einstein, when asked to describe radio. Long cat is looooooooooooong. ;) Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Lynzoi on June 06, 2011, 12:22:33 AM I describe it as a new form of electronic currency. Most don't get it, but the real problem is, most people simply don't care. Before someone can understand Bitcoin, they need to understand money. Most people simply do not understand money... at all. Think about how many people spend recklessly and have tons of debt thanks to their habit of buying stupid things. They don't care enough to develop any coherent thoughts about money. Only someone who understands that money has no basis in reality will understand that it's okay for money to be based on data. It's not the tech savvy who will understand Bitcoin, it's the finance savvy people who are most likely to get it. There's no need to explain the cryptography to anyone. Most people use email, yet they know nothing about the mechanics of email. It doesn't matter.
The biggest problem I had was explaining this to my dad. When I first told him I spent $40 on Bitcoin, he reacted like I had been indoctrinated by a cult that incinerates money for fun. Eventually I got through to him, which is important because I'm still young/irresponsible enough to financially leech off of my parents. My mother, on the other hand, understood and liked Bitcoin immediately, despite the fact that my Dad is an extremely good computer programmer and my mom's not a programmer at all. I think it's because my dad has poor investment sense, unlike my mom. I managed to get two of my close friends into Bitcoin so far. The first one understood immediately but did not find it interesting. He only started to like it when he realized Bitcoin could "finally take down the government." The second one struggled to understand and still doesn't get it, despite multiple attempts on my part to explain the basics of economics to him. He started mining, hoping it would make him rich, but he still believes Bitcoin is a bubble, or better yet a ponzi scheme. Some people... I made several facebook status updates about it and nobody cares. I guess facebook only cares when I post links to hilarious videos. Someone make a hilarious Bitcoin video please. Title: Re: Explaining Bitcoin to regular people Post by: Coma on June 06, 2011, 02:54:53 AM When I do try to explain it I have to basically simplify it to the point that what I'm saying is completely incorrect. I think that we need to address this. It's our responsability. I think the introduction video could be more accurate in some aspects. |
