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Title: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 19, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
A woman deemed the world's oldest person died in Michigan, about a month after her 116th birthday.

Jeralean Talley died Wednesday evening at her home in the Detroit suburb of Inkster, according to her daughter, Thelma Holloway. Holloway said Thursday that her mother was recently hospitalized and treated for fluid in her lungs before returning home "just where she wanted to be."

Talley turned 116 last month. She celebrated at her church and a local office of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. Attendees at the second event included U.S. Rep. John Conyers. The Democrat is the longest-serving member in the House, but even at 86 he was still three decades younger than Talley.

"People asked her, 'How do you feel about being the oldest person in the world?'" Holloway said of her mother. "She said, 'I still feel the same. That's God's work, not mine.' ... She enjoyed life as long as she was here."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/woman-deemed-worlds-oldest-person-dies-116-michigan-31865460 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/woman-deemed-worlds-oldest-person-dies-116-michigan-31865460)


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2015, 02:14:22 AM
RIP Jeralean Talley. She was just 6 years short of the all time record, currently being held by Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who died at the age of 122. The medical sector is getting more and more innovative now, and new drugs are being found. So in the future, it won't be unusual for people to live up to 120 years.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: melody82 on June 19, 2015, 02:30:49 AM
116, it is amazing to think a handful of people live that long.  Who knows, maybe with all of this longevity research some of us might have a shot at living an unusually long life.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Possum577 on June 19, 2015, 06:42:08 AM
RIP Jeralean Talley. She was just 6 years short of the all time record, currently being held by Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who died at the age of 122. The medical sector is getting more and more innovative now, and new drugs are being found. So in the future, it won't be unusual for people to live up to 120 years.

Yes but will the medical community be able to improve the quality of life at that age? Living that long would be great! Spending 30+ years as very elderly with limited mobility or freedom would be a challenge. (Not awful, just a challenge).

How long could you, would you want to, live elderly?


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2015, 06:55:02 AM
Yes but will the medical community be able to improve the quality of life at that age? Living that long would be great! Spending 30+ years as very elderly with limited mobility or freedom would be a challenge. (Not awful, just a challenge).

The medical community has improved the quality of life already. In 1900, the average life expectancy in the third world nations stood at just 22 years (for the United States it was 44 years). It has increased by more than 3 times now. And earlier, people used to retire at 45 or 50. Now, I am seeing people working at even 80 years of age.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Amph on June 19, 2015, 12:22:51 PM
RIP Jeralean Talley. She was just 6 years short of the all time record, currently being held by Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who died at the age of 122. The medical sector is getting more and more innovative now, and new drugs are being found. So in the future, it won't be unusual for people to live up to 120 years.

i remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning

these old men are a well of wisdom


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 19, 2015, 12:44:04 PM
I remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning

It will work with some people, and will not work with someone else. In the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union, there was a man called Shirali Muslimov (died in 1973), who claimed that he was 168 years old. Some Russian researchers also confirmed his claim, from the census records. He claimed that yoghurt was the secret for his longeivity. The Danone company made a lot of publicity about it, to sell their yoghurt products.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: moneyflow on June 19, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
How many of you guys think you can make it till 70?  :D


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Possum577 on June 19, 2015, 04:55:47 PM
Yes but will the medical community be able to improve the quality of life at that age? Living that long would be great! Spending 30+ years as very elderly with limited mobility or freedom would be a challenge. (Not awful, just a challenge).

The medical community has improved the quality of life already. In 1900, the average life expectancy in the third world nations stood at just 22 years (for the United States it was 44 years). It has increased by more than 3 times now. And earlier, people used to retire at 45 or 50. Now, I am seeing people working at even 80 years of age.

I'm not sure that length of life always correlates to quality of life. I also don't think that comparing today with 115 years ago is fair either.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 19, 2015, 05:10:44 PM
Since most of world people eat fast foods more than healthy foods nowadays, and surely I do too, I think it will be hard for us to live until our ages over 100 years old. The other factors that affected our life expectancy are quality of air, water, global warming, traffic accidents, and war. RIP Jeralean Talley


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: gentlemand on June 19, 2015, 08:28:34 PM

i remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning


Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

If I was still above ground at 115 I'm not sure I'd be too pleased unless I'd been thoroughly upgraded along the way.




Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bitcoin1992 on June 19, 2015, 10:01:43 PM
I don't think I'd ever want to be the oldest person. Seems like it's a pretty dangerous position. Everyone always ends up dying.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: BLKBITZ on June 20, 2015, 01:12:23 AM

i remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning


Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

If I was still above ground at 115 I'm not sure I'd be too pleased unless I'd been thoroughly upgraded along the way.




its a lot like anything else in life its just luck because even if you have the genetics you could still be killed by other things.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 20, 2015, 05:38:37 AM
I don't think I'd ever want to be the oldest person. Seems like it's a pretty dangerous position. Everyone always ends up dying.

Yeah I'm little bit hesitate here whether my family or my grandchild want to take care of me when I am over 100 years old or they will send me to nursing home LOL. Atleast we need to fulfill all of our wishes before we get old, so it doesn't matter until when we are living.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2015, 05:45:06 AM
Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 20, 2015, 06:41:11 AM
Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.

Yeah because that people never eat something delicious like BigMac, French Fries, and coke lol. We need to change lifestyle and live in the village with fresh air to improve our life quality, but I don't see what's the point of we live that long if we can't take care ourselves anymore and just become a burden to our family.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2015, 10:55:59 AM
Yeah because that people never eat something delicious like BigMac, French Fries, and coke lol. We need to change lifestyle and live in the village with fresh air to improve our life quality, but I don't see what's the point of we live that long if we can't take care ourselves anymore and just become a burden to our family.

I am not an expert, so I can't comment on the effect which processed food can have on longevity. That said, I don't know whether living in villages can shield you from pollution. With advancement in transportation and industry, there is no area within the earth which is not polluted. Even areas bereft of human inhabitation, such as Antarctica are polluted.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: gentlemand on June 20, 2015, 11:06:25 AM

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.


It's been repeatedly proven to be possible, but that doesn't mean it's viable or intended. Mother nature has little use for a 115 yr old quietly farting in the corner of the cave.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 20, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
Yeah because that people never eat something delicious like BigMac, French Fries, and coke lol. We need to change lifestyle and live in the village with fresh air to improve our life quality, but I don't see what's the point of we live that long if we can't take care ourselves anymore and just become a burden to our family.

I am not an expert, so I can't comment on the effect which processed food can have on longevity. That said, I don't know whether living in villages can shield you from pollution. With advancement in transportation and industry, there is no area within the earth which is not polluted. Even areas bereft of human inhabitation, such as Antarctica are polluted.

You are right, no place that not polluted, but atleast there are some place that have cleaner air than urban areas. I think it can make us be healthier and our age can be little longer.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: dblink on June 20, 2015, 05:53:19 PM
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"People asked her, 'How do you feel about being the oldest person in the world?'" Holloway said of her mother. "She said, 'I still feel the same. That's God's work, not mine.' ... She enjoyed life as long as she was here."

Indeed it is a God's gift to that respected oldest woman. Whenever God wish to take back any soul, it takes on its own time and with his own wish. If she was spending her life with happiness among her kids, definitely it was blessed life and she had more time to understand every human character and it's purpose of creation. Really she experienced so many wonderful things in this world than any others.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: TrianglePythagoras on June 20, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
I was the youngest person in the world once.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: BigBoy89 on June 20, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
That is some age which people don't tend to come even closer nowadays due to the increasing pollution in a global scale, i am a bit curious what diet these people who live so long stick to.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Chef Ramsay on June 20, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
The amazing thing to me is to think about all the eras this woman lived through. I only wish she had written an autobiography to share all these interesting stories about what she lived through.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: BigBoy89 on June 20, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
The amazing thing to me is to think about all the eras this woman lived through. I only wish she had written an autobiography to share all these interesting stories about what she lived through.
That would be great to read, a person who has seen the current generation and lived through many generations.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 21, 2015, 05:36:23 AM
That is some age which people don't tend to come even closer nowadays due to the increasing pollution in a global scale, i am a bit curious what diet these people who live so long stick to.

I tend to disagree with that argument. The life expectancy is increasing every year, despite the pollution and climate change. And I have strong reasons to suspect that it will continue to tick upward, until a saturation point is reached. For sure, we are seeing a rise in cancer and other diseases due to the increasing pollution. But at the same time, the medical science is getting more and more advanced.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Amph on June 21, 2015, 10:37:22 AM

i remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning


Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

If I was still above ground at 115 I'm not sure I'd be too pleased unless I'd been thoroughly upgraded along the way.




yes it is, but it has also been scientifically proven that a healthy diet , prolongs your life

I remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning

It will work with some people, and will not work with someone else. In the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union, there was a man called Shirali Muslimov (died in 1973), who claimed that he was 168 years old. Some Russian researchers also confirmed his claim, from the census records. He claimed that yoghurt was the secret for his longeivity. The Danone company made a lot of publicity about it, to sell their yoghurt products.

it seems more of a joke, my example can more resemble the true, eggs are the superior choice in terms of food, they have everything, vitamins minerals and the best proteins, they also contain some omege 3

there is no comparison with youghurt or any other food


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 21, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
I remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning

It will work with some people, and will not work with someone else. In the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union, there was a man called Shirali Muslimov (died in 1973), who claimed that he was 168 years old. Some Russian researchers also confirmed his claim, from the census records. He claimed that yoghurt was the secret for his longeivity. The Danone company made a lot of publicity about it, to sell their yoghurt products.

it seems more of a joke, my example can more resemble the true, eggs are the superior choice in terms of food, they have everything, vitamins minerals and the best proteing, they also contain some omege 3

there is no comparison with youghurt or any other food

Some parts of the Caucasus region are renowned for the longevity of its inhabitants. The case of Shirali Muslimov is not an isolated one. A few other cases (Mahmut Eyvazov, Sarhat Rashidova.etc) have been reported from that area. And as far as I know, the people there are not especially fond of eggs. However, they do consume a lot of milk products. Especially yoghurt, and Kefir (a fermented milk drink).


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Miracal on June 21, 2015, 12:19:50 PM
How many of you guys think you can make it till 70?  :D

I certainly don't think so, haha. Healthy living matters. Even the right diet matters. But a long life is nothing if you haven't done anything worthwhile, anything productive, anything that has changed lives for the better. I thrive on positive living and change.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: gentlemand on June 21, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
How many of you guys think you can make it till 70?  :D

I certainly don't think so, haha. Healthy living matters. Even the right diet matters. But a long life is nothing if you haven't done anything worthwhile, anything productive, anything that has changed lives for the better. I thrive on positive living and change.

My heart's genetically programmed to explode like a hand grenade between 55-60. In the meantime I maximise what's left by regularly staying up all night and doing whatever I feel like doing.

I don't get why anyone would fear death. It's a rapid solution to every conceivable problem. I am shitting myself at the prospect of it hurting though.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Balthazar on June 21, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.
There are some physiological limits. Approximated limit of average lifespan is about 250 years. If we solve genetic issues then there still would be another limitation due to nature of our brain. To be exact, there is no possibility to remember more than 4000-5000 years of living experience. You won't die but you'll forget anything what happened before last 4000-5000 years of your hypothetically unlimited life. And there will be no way to recover these memories.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: erikalui on June 21, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
May her soul RIP.

When I read the wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people) article, it wasn't surprising to see that there are more females who have been in the list compared to men. May it be heart attacks and being housewives, it's always women who win in this matter and after completing all the house work and looking after their childre, women don't get much tired compared to men who keep complaining about their office workloads. In India, women who live in villages have a very good immunity system as they don't eat the food which city people eat like oily food and spicy food.

An interesting article: http://news.health.com/2014/10/13/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men/


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 21, 2015, 03:09:05 PM
May her soul RIP.

When I read the wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people) article, it wasn't surprising to see that there are more females who have been in the list compared to men. May it be heart attacks and being housewives, it's always women who win in this matter and after completing all the house work and looking after their childre, women don't get much tired compared to men who keep complaining about their office workloads. In India, women who live in villages have a very good immunity system as they don't eat the food which city people eat like oily food and spicy food.

An interesting article: http://news.health.com/2014/10/13/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men/

I strongly agree with you. I should stop eat fast food again, but for me the main point is not to live longer, but live healthy and happily. If we eat healthy food and living in fresh air area, so we will be health. Live longer is a plus from that. I have ever heard a news about 100yo woman that always drink milk everyday from her cow livestock in her village. She said the best way to keep health is get your fruits and vegetables from your own farm.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 21, 2015, 03:51:20 PM
I remember one of those super old lady, they asked her what was her secret to live so long, and she said that she was eating 3 eggs per day

after that day i started eating 3 eggs a day as well, now i feel more fuller in the morning

It will work with some people, and will not work with someone else. In the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union, there was a man called Shirali Muslimov (died in 1973), who claimed that he was 168 years old. Some Russian researchers also confirmed his claim, from the census records. He claimed that yoghurt was the secret for his longeivity. The Danone company made a lot of publicity about it, to sell their yoghurt products.

The matter of longevity in the Caucasus region has been investigated thoroughly. It turned out that people living there tend to add years to their real age, since the older they are, the more respect they get in the society. Regarding that elder who allegedly lived up to 168 years old, you should remember that the Caucasus region had been an arena of ferocious warfare through the whole 19th century (and well into the 20th), so I doubt that there can be reliable sources of census data that old...


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: erikalui on June 21, 2015, 04:13:57 PM
I strongly agree with you. I should stop eat fast food again, but for me the main point is not to live longer, but live healthy and happily. If we eat healthy food and living in fresh air area, so we will be health. Live longer is a plus from that. I have ever heard a news about 100yo woman that always drink milk everyday from her cow livestock in her village. She said the best way to keep health is get your fruits and vegetables from your own farm.

Living a healthy life in today's time is very tough and since we are used to eating the "unhealthy" food, we obtain a carefree nature that "When our time comes, we'll die. Why should we deprive myself of good food." Fruits, vegetables and milk is the best diet we can adopt but if you ask me to eat only boiled food stuffs or fruits everyday, I will not do it as I'm so used to my daily food that I can't give it up even for a healthy and long life. I've heard of women who exercise daily even when they cross 70-80 yrs. That's because they have been doing it all their life and can manage to walk without any support.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 21, 2015, 05:00:21 PM
The matter of longevity in the Caucasus region has been investigated thoroughly. It turned out that people living there tend to add years to their real age, since the older they are, the more respect they get in the society. Regarding that elder who allegedly lived up to 168 years old, you should remember that the Caucasus region had been an arena of ferocious warfare through the whole 19th century (and well into the 20th), so I doubt that there can be reliable sources of census data that old...

The case of the 168-year old guy seems to be very unreliable, and your argument might be one of the reasons why so many people from the Caucasus claim that they are super-centenarians. That said, these stories continue to pour in from the region. One of the examples is here:

http://rt.com/news/oldest-man-labazanov-dies-dagestan-902/

And also, the Caucasus republic of Daghestan is having the highest life expectancy in all of Russia, at 75.6 years.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Bizmark13 on June 22, 2015, 01:12:39 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.
There are some physiological limits. Approximated limit of average lifespan is about 250 years. If we solve genetic issues then there still would be another limitation due to nature of our brain. To be exact, there is no possibility to remember more than 4000-5000 years of living experience. You won't die but you'll forget anything what happened before last 4000-5000 years of your hypothetically unlimited life. And there will be no way to recover these memories.

Where did you get that number from? Even with huge advances in medical technology and a significantly larger population, the maximum lifespan of humans seems to have a hard limit of about 120 years - not 250. The oldest people today aren't significantly older than the oldest people who lived 100, 200, or 300 years ago even though far more people are now reaching old age than previously. Jeanne Calment was the only person to live past 120 years and she was definitely an outlier.

The same pattern can be seen with animals too. For example, there are several dogs that have reached 27-29 years of age, but none so far have reached 30.

A cure for all cancers (ignoring the fact that cancer is a collection of diseases with a myriad of causes far too complex to have a single cure) would increase the average lifespan by approximately 10 years. Curing heart disease would probably increase it by another 10 years. But even with the average lifespan at close to 100, I would still expect the oldest humans living in such a world to be no older than 120 years old.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2015, 01:35:06 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Yup... there are two of them. Susannah Mushatt Jones (b. 6 July 1899) from the United States and Emma Morano (b. 29 November 1899) from Italy. The former will be 116 years old, in two weeks from now.

One interesting fact which I have noticed is that 20 out of the 45 oldest living people (as of now) are from Japan. What is the secret behind their longevity? Organic food? or better medical care?


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 22, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Yup... there are two of them. Susannah Mushatt Jones (b. 6 July 1899) from the United States and Emma Morano (b. 29 November 1899) from Italy. The former will be 116 years old, in two weeks from now.

One interesting fact which I have noticed is that 20 out of the 45 oldest living people (as of now) are from Japan. What is the secret behind their longevity? Organic food? or better medical care?

It is sea food actually that seems to be a main contributing factor here. The primary cause of death in the old age seems to be problems with the cardiovascular system (e.g. arteriosclerosis), which sea food rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids (known as Omega-3 acids) basically eliminates...


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: engwell on June 22, 2015, 10:26:10 AM
It's not easy being the oldest person in the world.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Bizmark13 on June 22, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Yup... there are two of them. Susannah Mushatt Jones (b. 6 July 1899) from the United States and Emma Morano (b. 29 November 1899) from Italy. The former will be 116 years old, in two weeks from now.

One interesting fact which I have noticed is that 20 out of the 45 oldest living people (as of now) are from Japan. What is the secret behind their longevity? Organic food? or better medical care?

According to this article, it's likely to be a mix of different factors at play - including food and medical care:

http://www.agewatch.org.uk/secrets-of-longevity/japanese-longevity/

Quote from another article which gives pretty much the same reasons as above:

Quote from: Daily Express
The secret of that longevity is a traditional diet of fish, rice and simmered vegetables, easy access to healthcare and a comparatively high standard of living in old age.

Link: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/407445/What-is-the-Japanese-secret-of-living-to-100

Also notice how virtually all of those who live past 110 are thin. Japan happens to be the thinnest country in the developed world and calorie restriction (with optimal nutrition) has been proven to extend lifespan across a range of different species so perhaps there is a link somewhere there as well.

Chart showing the percentage of obese people in 34 developed countries:

http://s23.postimg.org/o0im60c3f/English_chart_obese.jpg

People with obesity have a much greater risk of developing cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, and diabetes which probably affects the average life expectancy quite a bit in countries where obesity is more common. According to this link (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/lifestyle-secrets-of-the-worlds-healthiest-countries-20130522-2jyld.html), Japan has an average BMI of 22.5 while the United States' average is 26-29 (depending on what source you're using). Another study (http://asserttrue.blogspot.com/2013/03/body-mass-index-vs-longevity-latest.html) shows that BMI and life expectancy has a very strong correlation.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Amph on June 22, 2015, 10:37:38 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Yup... there are two of them. Susannah Mushatt Jones (b. 6 July 1899) from the United States and Emma Morano (b. 29 November 1899) from Italy. The former will be 116 years old, in two weeks from now.

One interesting fact which I have noticed is that 20 out of the 45 oldest living people (as of now) are from Japan. What is the secret behind their longevity? Organic food? or better medical care?

emma morano was the one i was talking about, she eats 3 eggs per day, but raw

for japan it could just be that their genetic is different, they belong to a different kind of people

some say that it is for their food, other that it is because their life is less stressfull, it must be a combination of multiple factors


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 22, 2015, 10:47:59 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.
There are some physiological limits. Approximated limit of average lifespan is about 250 years. If we solve genetic issues then there still would be another limitation due to nature of our brain. To be exact, there is no possibility to remember more than 4000-5000 years of living experience. You won't die but you'll forget anything what happened before last 4000-5000 years of your hypothetically unlimited life. And there will be no way to recover these memories.

Where did you get that number from? Even with huge advances in medical technology and a significantly larger population, the maximum lifespan of humans seems to have a hard limit of about 120 years - not 250. The oldest people today aren't significantly older than the oldest people who lived 100, 200, or 300 years ago even though far more people are now reaching old age than previously. Jeanne Calment was the only person to live past 120 years and she was definitely an outlier.

I also heard that number. It is thought that 250 years (or something around that) is the potential longevity of the brain, that is, how long humans would live if their bodies didn't deteriorate with age. Though it is nothing more than speculation of course

A cure for all cancers (ignoring the fact that cancer is a collection of diseases with a myriad of causes far too complex to have a single cure) would increase the average lifespan by approximately 10 years. Curing heart disease would probably increase it by another 10 years. But even with the average lifespan at close to 100, I would still expect the oldest humans living in such a world to be no older than 120 years old.

I read that the total elimination of all forms of cancer would only add up 3 to 4 years to the average lifespan. On the hand, the naked mole-rat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat), the only mammal (with a few species of other mole-rates) which doesn't suffer from cancer at all due to its very special immune system, lives up to amazing 30 years (given that rats live only a few years)...


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: shevon on June 22, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
THAT'S OLD NEWS!


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 22, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
THAT'S OLD NEWS!

Jeralean Talley died just 5 days ago, and that is old news for you? With her death, just two individuals who were born in the 19th century remains alive. It will be better if you vent your anger against a particualr person, who has been bumping dozens of 1-year and 2-year old threads in this section for the past 2-3 weeks.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Bizmark13 on June 22, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
There are only two living people now who were born in the 19th century - both of whom were born in 1899. Just two years ago, that number was six. It's likely that there will be nobody born in the 19th century who is still living in a year or two from now. :(

Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.
There are some physiological limits. Approximated limit of average lifespan is about 250 years. If we solve genetic issues then there still would be another limitation due to nature of our brain. To be exact, there is no possibility to remember more than 4000-5000 years of living experience. You won't die but you'll forget anything what happened before last 4000-5000 years of your hypothetically unlimited life. And there will be no way to recover these memories.

Where did you get that number from? Even with huge advances in medical technology and a significantly larger population, the maximum lifespan of humans seems to have a hard limit of about 120 years - not 250. The oldest people today aren't significantly older than the oldest people who lived 100, 200, or 300 years ago even though far more people are now reaching old age than previously. Jeanne Calment was the only person to live past 120 years and she was definitely an outlier.

I also heard that number. It is thought that 250 years is the potential longevity of the brain, that is, how long humans would live if their bodies didn't deteriorate with age. Though it is nothing more than speculation of course

A cure for all cancers (ignoring the fact that cancer is a collection of diseases with a myriad of causes far too complex to have a single cure) would increase the average lifespan by approximately 10 years. Curing heart disease would probably increase it by another 10 years. But even with the average lifespan at close to 100, I would still expect the oldest humans living in such a world to be no older than 120 years old.

I read that the total elimination of all forms of cancer would only add up 3 to 4 years to the average lifespan. On the hand, the naked mole-rat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_mole-rat), the only mammal which doesn't suffer from cancer at all due to its very special immune system, lives up to amazing 30 years (given that rats live only a few years)...

Hmm... You're right. I remembered seeing that 10 years figure on a blog/forum somewhere and never bothered to check it. It seems that curing cancer would only increase the average lifespan by slightly over three years while a cure for cardiovascular disease would increase it by just under seven years.

I wonder if curing both at the same time would yield a far better result, however. The reason why a cure for cancer only results in a three year increase in life expectancy is because of Taeuber's Paradox which states that those who would have died from cancer but didn't would have died from cardiovascular disease or some other age-related condition shortly afterwards anyway (and vice versa).


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: Mehek on June 22, 2015, 11:41:44 AM
How many of you guys think you can make it till 70?  :D

I will easily make it to 70, I have been exercising and eating well. I visit the doctors often, have a stable life and have my amount of fun. An occasional drinker of red wine, nothing else. So until I die due to accidents or one of my old bitches come try to kill me, I think my health will somehow make it till the 70 border line.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 22, 2015, 11:54:09 AM
How many of you guys think you can make it till 70?  :D

I will easily make it to 70, I have been exercising and eating well. I visit the doctors often, have a stable life and have my amount of fun. An occasional drinker of red wine, nothing else. So until I die due to accidents or one of my old bitches come try to kill me, I think my health will somehow make it till the 70 border line.

It is actually beneficial to your health that you are thinking that you will make it to 70 (80, 90, or just believing in living forever). I understand that I will sound like a wet blanket, but I knew a few guys (among my personal acquaintances) who died really young (in their twenties and early thirties), all of a sudden, due to some unsuspected heart problem (otherwise being completely healthy and sporty)...

And one of them died of a stroke


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 22, 2015, 12:32:44 PM
I will easily make it to 70, I have been exercising and eating well. I visit the doctors often, have a stable life and have my amount of fun. An occasional drinker of red wine, nothing else. So until I die due to accidents or one of my old bitches come try to kill me, I think my health will somehow make it till the 70 border line.

That's great buddy. I think you can reach 80 if you do that routinely.


Living a healthy life in today's time is very tough and since we are used to eating the "unhealthy" food, we obtain a carefree nature that "When our time comes, we'll die. Why should we deprive myself of good food." Fruits, vegetables and milk is the best diet we can adopt but if you ask me to eat only boiled food stuffs or fruits everyday, I will not do it as I'm so used to my daily food that I can't give it up even for a healthy and long life. I've heard of women who exercise daily even when they cross 70-80 yrs. That's because they have been doing it all their life and can manage to walk without any support.

lol I'm not forcing you to eat the healthy food, I just gave you my opinion about the key of live longer  ;D  And yeah, we will face our die someday, but I think it would be better if we don't shorten our life with eat unhealthy food everyday. Atleast we can eat healthy food in one time per week. Btw, I have one advice else; don't be stress, and just laugh  :D


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: ObscureBean on June 22, 2015, 02:08:25 PM
Seriously though, why anyone would want to prolong their stay on earth? If you naturally live to be 100 or more fine but actively trying to avoid death feels kinda warped to me. I suppose everyone has their own reasons why they want keep on living.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 22, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
Yup... there are two of them. Susannah Mushatt Jones (b. 6 July 1899) from the United States and Emma Morano (b. 29 November 1899) from Italy. The former will be 116 years old, in two weeks from now.

One interesting fact which I have noticed is that 20 out of the 45 oldest living people (as of now) are from Japan. What is the secret behind their longevity? Organic food? or better medical care?

According to this article, it's likely to be a mix of different factors at play - including food and medical care:

http://www.agewatch.org.uk/secrets-of-longevity/japanese-longevity/

It is noteworthy that in Japan the highest rate of centenarians is on the island of Okinawa (22 centenarians per 100,000 inhabitants), being the highest in the world, save for one place only, the Italian island of Sardinia, where the rate is the same. But the total population of Sardinia (as of 2011) is 1,639,362, while the population of Okinawa is 1,301,462 (as of 2014). Thereby Sardinia has more centenarians than Okinawa in absolute strength...



Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: jayce on June 22, 2015, 04:44:55 PM
Seriously though, why anyone would want to prolong their stay on earth? If you naturally live to be 100 or more fine but actively trying to avoid death feels kinda warped to me. I suppose everyone has their own reasons why they want keep on living.

I think it would be great if we can live longer, watch everything that is being happening year by year, and then we tell what we experienced to our grandchild even to great-grandchild. But, the main point is keep healthy, I don't want keep on living sickly, because it's a just self-suffering and we would be a burden to our family.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: gentlemand on June 22, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Seriously though, why anyone would want to prolong their stay on earth? If you naturally live to be 100 or more fine but actively trying to avoid death feels kinda warped to me. I suppose everyone has their own reasons why they want keep on living.

My grandma absolutely loved to tell us all about how she couldn't wait to shuffle off her mortal coil. If you caught her first thing in the morning you'd see an entire kitchen table filled with vitamins ready for her to slurp up so she could dramatise another day.

It's like everything. You'll never know how it feels until you get there. I'm very intolerant of my body going wrong but if I was 100 and could still bench 15,000 pounds I'd probably still be curious to see what tomorrow had in store.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: greBit on June 22, 2015, 07:26:31 PM
RIP Jeralean Talley. She was just 6 years short of the all time record, currently being held by Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who died at the age of 122. The medical sector is getting more and more innovative now, and new drugs are being found. So in the future, it won't be unusual for people to live up to 120 years.

Yes but will the medical community be able to improve the quality of life at that age? Living that long would be great! Spending 30+ years as very elderly with limited mobility or freedom would be a challenge. (Not awful, just a challenge).

How long could you, would you want to, live elderly?

I agree, the quality of life is important indeed. My aunts got so frustrated with not being able to do the simplest of things like picking up the TV remote and changing the channel themselves, because they weren't sick. They were just weak. They had lived their lives fully, and their quality of life had fallen to such a level that they wished they would leave for their heavenly abode as soon as they could.


Title: Re: Woman Deemed World's Oldest Person Dies at 116 in Michigan
Post by: deisik on June 22, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Surely it's just a genetic lottery win? Humans certainly aren't designed to live that long and people with perfectly respectable lifestyles drop dead in their 50s and 60s every day.

I am not sure whether the secret for longevity lies in the genes or in the lifestyle. But you can't say that humans aren't designed to live that long. There are references from 400 or 500 year ago, about people living up to 100 year or more. As the living standards increase, along with the advancement in the medical science, longevity will increase further.
There are some physiological limits. Approximated limit of average lifespan is about 250 years. If we solve genetic issues then there still would be another limitation due to nature of our brain. To be exact, there is no possibility to remember more than 4000-5000 years of living experience. You won't die but you'll forget anything what happened before last 4000-5000 years of your hypothetically unlimited life. And there will be no way to recover these memories.

This wouldn't a problem at all if we are able to prolong our life even 10-15 years beyond our genetic limits (which would be a huge advancement and step forward, still not possible today). The signal patterns that constitute memory can be recorded and duplicated later in a neural implant. Rats have already been successfully tested with such artificial memory brain implants substituting for their long-term memory, thus the technology, however rudimentary as of now, is already here...

Besides, we seem to forget insignificant details of our life and remember the most important (emotional) ones. In short, brain is not a primitive FIFO memory device