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Ryan pumper , Bob surplus, and all they have a good P& D Group
But im not want to join him, i think we can learn with read grafick and learn from more source
also we can watching how P & D group action, emm when accumulation and when time to sell

we can see it but some people still join to P & D group give some BTC to him and pump will be do with him use your money

(sorry my english not bad ? ;D)

You can learn by watching various occurrences, trends, and flows. Like all things, all coins are good, it's all good.

Most would join them to make btc. Maybe they make some mayBe they don't.

if you are a trader then joining a pump group is the only way to make real money

People who join P&D group are trying to make money off it.
Sometimes master of the P&D group dumps his/her holding onto their followers so it is good to stay away from these groups.

All is in numbers. If you are in a fair P&D group, the group will pump higher than you could do alone.
But in a group you can be burnt - you can "dump" (too) late.

But I don't know any fair P&D groups. Most only try to get some money of you by asking for "subscription".

If you join one of these group keep your wits about you and don't spend more than you can afford to walk away from.

Either way - as part of a pump group or on your own - you have to learn: unless you're very lucky, you have to learn the hard way. There's no way around it.

When you look at trading from this angle, the best that a pump group can offer you is the chance to learn in a relatively sheltered environment. If you're not part of one, you learn on your own: that's the difference.

Good luck. :)

i think it is dangerous to not be with pump group

when i trade by myself i only lost money, when i join with them i make instantly $3000, maybe because i learn fast and smarter than most people I dont know

this is how i have seen it here

a simple calculation if you join Ryan pumper the cost is 0.5BTC , my opinion not all his pump is succes some of that failed with only 5-6 BTC volume
and not all of your sell wall filled
or you just make 0.2BTC profit from that pump, totally you lose

+1
i like your coment, we join P & D group to learn science, trick, tips how to pick coin, when we must pick coin, how to calculate suply demand and future, and the most important thing is when we sell that coin

after it we can stand alone to analyze cryptocoin  ;D

I don't think joining a group is worth it.  You can study the markets on your own and not waste money by giving it away .  Buyer beware!

You dont need a P&D group, you only need The Collective.

i agree it im not join at P & D group but i can make profit with collective to select which coin will be i trade

better joining a trading group, because there you can increase your weekly profit man, trust me, it works  ;D

If you want to make money in crypto...create your own coin with few trustworthy people you know in real life. There is no point in joining pump group with strangers online who'll burn you if they get the chance.

All pump groups are fake..only one person makes the money while others end up with pennies. coyotewallstreet charges people to join his pump group yet he does nothing but tweet all day and rely on other whales to pump.

Right now pumping is worthless because less people are interested in shit coins and good coins aren't easy to pump because distribution is in the hand of right people.

If you want less risk stick with coins that have shown stability overtime...don't touch coins that go from 10 to 500 then back to 10 within few days..that's your best best if you want to make money.

Volume can be faked to make fool out of you.

You can still make money with selected coins that move slowly....profit isn't 500% but it's still profit. If you want 500% profit you might as well throw your money in casino because that's exactly what you're doing when you're investing in shit coins and relying on some pump group to help you climb the ladder. Pumping isn't same as it used to be..now it's different game..that's the main reason you're seeing lot of shitcoins but that seems to be fading away too.

are you have a great trading group ? can i join to your comunity :)

ok time for an actual real post ITT.

the biggest reason not to join Ryan "Scammer" is because:

1. there is no "group". Perhaps you and 1-2 more victims each weeks (and perhaps some bots), that's the max amount of activity you'll see in his chatroom. pro-tip: the chat sections of his site will often be "down" the first days or so of your subscription for "technical reasons". all communication with ryan will be very slow and over PM, perhaps one per day. any important questions about your subscription will be avoided. this is because 90% of your communication with ryan will be COPY & PASTE. he takes very little time to actually bother writing unique texts to each victim.

2. there is no "profit" or "strategy". Ryan just tells you which coin he wants to dump on you.

3. you will be at least 1 BTC poorer than the week before you joined. You see first he takes .5 from you as an "entry fee" then he tells to invest at least .5 more in some coin which he dumps on you.

4. you will never see any money you send him ever again.

5. when you ask "hey ryan why did u just post that "we" made 300% profit from this coint this week when u still say I should be holding and wait for the pump?" he'll respond with something like "oh the 300% is not actually profit but is more an indicator how much a coin has moved up or down...just wait eventually you'll be able to sell it". of course you never will.

IB4 "wow illuminati dont join!" and "wow it's soo scammy to make $1000 per day from dumps!!! he and his followers might succsseful but not good person!!" posts.

I believe Ryan is a group of 4-5 people who actively spams this board to scam as many people as possible and drown any real discussions with brainless comments. that's the only way they'll be able to cover up the obvious scam, by drowing it with BS.

Someone should make a topic and bump it every single time Ryan bumps his, to always inform people not to waste their time & money. And make it self moderated like his is to remove all "wow lookout illuminati" posts.

I HATE ALLL PUMP GROUPS DO NOT JOIN, TRUST ME

Not every one is smart some people dont know anything about trading so they will lose if they are in a group or not in a group

I have made thousands of dollars with p&d groups but i have been trading for 4 years so unless you have as much or more experience than me, i say be careful or stay away from p&d groups and trading completely

p&d groups are the ones that create the coins so if you are not trading on their side it is like playing with fire because things can blow up in your face at any time and you wont even know it

so my advice is if you are not experienced then just dont trade at all, and if you cant afford to join a p&d group then just dont trade at all

Don't worry about it.  We don't speak chinese that well too...  Ching chong chang ching.

I know several who where in pump groups and they made good btc and they where not the runner just people that joined one.

yes i think we are in same group together i see you before

I thought to join a group too but wasn't sure which ones are the best and you can learn from.

The only thing most people learn from joining a P&D group is not to join a P&D group, and some people don't even learn that.

some people join for get profit in money and he didn't know how to read pumper work

The Problem with P & D is, that there are 3 ways it could fail

1. Individial or Group buys a coin over the point of supply so it is visible in the chart, but there are no followers to by his dump so the price wents down from where it came.(they make a loss)

2. Individial or Group buys a coin but cant drive price higher, because players which arent visible(flat) on the order table step in and sell off in to the pump. (I use this method sometimes when it is useful, to not show your own intensions&volume)

3. a scammer accumulates before he tells his group, so who come last pays the bill xD

What i read own his site is trading education. Somehow classic "price action" , known from Fiat trading.
P&D is a market manipulation method.
But that must be bad, because it is not limited to a criminal group.
Everybody can do the same since Crypto is to this date not limited by trading rules like the Stockmarket.

I am always sceptical when i hear about a group thing.
As a trader you usually act alone, so your personality is also not towards groups.

Maybe he is just someone who wants to teach people his methods.
Or he gets his earnings by the group fee's and scamming (buying before his group announcements).

I dont know , not my business :)

Yep...and 1 & 2 are the reasons why most pumps fail.

well i myself is no longer interested to those P & D group
I just study bitcoin's price everyday and makes an analysis by myself before buying and selling bitcoins
i think many users do the same way too

it is easier said than done. but i totally agree with what you said.
i think mostly people join these groups because they don't have any prior knowledge about trading at all. then they start trading a little and just lose money in almost every trade they make. then they look for a solution, and that is where they encounter these groups with nice profits (numbers they show) and logically they want to try them

I agree. With stocks or commodities, newbies usually start looking for a guru when they find that they can't make money in the market. In crypto, the P&Ders are the closest thing that we have to a guru, so they join them.

Sounds pretty smart to me.

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+1.  You can profit in alt coins, just work a little harder...research the data, choose "good" coins, learn from trading mistakes,  practice with play money, and take smaller profits.