Title: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on June 24, 2015, 06:48:47 AM P2Pool mining pools If you are interested in p2pool specifically there maybe useful information here: http://poolnode.info/ http://nodes.p2pool.co/ http://minefast.coincadence.com/ DGM mining pools
PPLNS mining pools
PPS mining pools WARNINGS Be careful of low fee PPS-only pools that do not explain how they will afford to pay miners when the pool has a downturn in luck.
I think BTCMP is offline and perhaps not a valid pool any longer. I currently show 0 H/s PPS variant mining pools
Proportional mining pools
Slush exponentially scored mining pools
Solo-mining pools
Proxy mining pools The pools do not solve blocks themselves, but send your work to other pools. You should make sure you are satisfied that they will not send your work to a pool you do not wish to support.
REDUCING REWARD VARIANCE You do not have to mine at only one pool. In order to reduce your income variance, you should mine at multiple pool. As well as reducing variance, this will also help decentralize the network. Details in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78031.0 Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on June 24, 2015, 06:50:48 AM Summary of mining pool reward systems (https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_summary.pdf) Reproduced here with permission from Meni Rosenfeld
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For a more comprehensive discussion of these methods, see [4]. This post will start as a direct copy of the original post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104664.0) by organofcorti (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118) so that I may assume the role of maintaining the list. All permissions previously given to organofcorti (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118) in regards to the original post, [ref_0] will be inherited by innerchaos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=514265) with the sole purpose of maintaining the list and associated information for the benefit of all. if you would like your permission rescinded please inform me via PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=514265) and I will of course respect your demands. References (0) Original Post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104664.0 [1] Pplns. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39832. [2] Meni Rosenfeld. Double geometric method: Hopping-proof, low-variance reward system. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39497. [3] Meni Rosenfeld. Geometric method: New cheat-proof mining pool scoring method. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4787. [4] Meni Rosenfeld. Analysis of bitcoin pooled mining reward systems, 2011. https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf. [5] slush. http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002. [6] TheSeven. http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12181.msg378851#msg378851. NOTE FOR BITCOIN POOL OPERATORS: If your pool doesn't appear here please post the pool's statistics in the following format: Quote Pool: <Pool name> Website: <Pool URL> Proxy: Are you a proxy pool? Options: Yes / No Generation address: If you are not a proxy pool, what is the address to which block rewards are paid? Coinbase signature: If you sign the coinbase, what string do you use to identify your blocks? Payout method: eg DGM, PPLNS, PPS Fee: Percentage of reward taken as fee Pay Tx Reward: Do you pay the tx fees to the miners? Vardiff: options: "User defined" or if automatic quote the shares per minute you're aiming at, eg "20 SPM" Local Work: options: stratum / gbt / p2pool Pay Orphans: Do you reward miners even if a block is orphaned? Options: Yes / no. Min Withdrawal: What is the minimum amount a miner can withdraw? Merge Mining: Options: Yes / No Support V3 Block: Options: Yes / No Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: jonnybravo0311 on June 24, 2015, 05:06:06 PM Couple of things...
1) Why do you call multipool.us/cryptopros.com "p2pool proxy pools"? They don't, as far as I know, contribute hash rate to the p2pool network. The only p2pool proxy pool I can think of is OgNasty's "NastyPoP"... where he's got a ckpool instance on top of the p2pool framework. 2) P2Pool does indeed merge mine if the node operator configures it. NMC, IXC, HUC, I0C, FSC, DVC, etc are all merge mined on p2pool. Also, the fees are dependent upon the node operator as well. It also can be configured to donate to the author of p2pool (forrestv). Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on June 24, 2015, 11:43:19 PM Couple of things... 1) Why do you call multipool.us/cryptopros.com "p2pool proxy pools"? They don't, as far as I know, contribute hash rate to the p2pool network. The only p2pool proxy pool I can think of is OgNasty's "NastyPoP"... where he's got a ckpool instance on top of the p2pool framework. 2) P2Pool does indeed merge mine if the node operator configures it. NMC, IXC, HUC, I0C, FSC, DVC, etc are all merge mined on p2pool. Also, the fees are dependent upon the node operator as well. It also can be configured to donate to the author of p2pool (forrestv). 1. Multipool - I will move it to proportional I think it is a better fit there..it fits under proxy mining and proportional.. Cryptopros is on my short list ... I will delete it soon if it does not work Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on June 25, 2015, 12:01:14 AM Couple of things... 1) Why do you call multipool.us/cryptopros.com "p2pool proxy pools"? They don't, as far as I know, contribute hash rate to the p2pool network. The only p2pool proxy pool I can think of is OgNasty's "NastyPoP"... where he's got a ckpool instance on top of the p2pool framework. 2) P2Pool does indeed merge mine if the node operator configures it. NMC, IXC, HUC, I0C, FSC, DVC, etc are all merge mined on p2pool. Also, the fees are dependent upon the node operator as well. It also can be configured to donate to the author of p2pool (forrestv). Community members or pool ops told us that the pools were p2pool nodes. If this isn't the case., that needs to be changed. innerchaos: is multipool.us still proportional? If thought they were PPS? (can't access their site from work to check). If Multipool is still a proxy pool but *not* a p2pool proxy, then I'd list them under "proxy pools" at the end. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on June 25, 2015, 12:09:06 AM actually was adding it to both pools I see on their website they offer both
Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on June 25, 2015, 12:16:02 AM actually was adding it to both pools I see on their website they offer both Both proportional *and* PPS? Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on June 25, 2015, 12:32:04 AM proxy
"Our modified proportional payout system means that you can be sure every share you submit will be paid. No shares are discarded without being paid. Our method is resistant to pool hoppers." Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on June 25, 2015, 01:13:29 AM proxy "Our modified proportional payout system means that you can be sure every share you submit will be paid. No shares are discarded without being paid. Our method is resistant to pool hoppers." Weird. If they're a proxy, I can't see hoe they could use any reward other than PPS since they're not solving the blocks themselves. If you have time it might be an idea to email them for clarification. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: os2sam on June 27, 2015, 02:27:27 PM It's a nice start I think. :)
I think Slush is now PPLNS, but I don't know how to confirm that. Thanks for your effort so far, Sam Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on June 27, 2015, 02:36:04 PM It's a nice start I think. :) I think Slush is now PPLNS, but I don't know how to confirm that. Thanks for your effort so far, Sam It's a sort-of PPLNS. Unless I've misunderstood, it's a PPLNS with exponentially decaying share values. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: os2sam on June 27, 2015, 02:38:17 PM It's a nice start I think. :) I think Slush is now PPLNS, but I don't know how to confirm that. Thanks for your effort so far, Sam It's a sort-of PPLNS. Unless I've misunderstood, it's a PPLNS with exponentially decaying share values. Ah, ok. Thanks, Sam Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on July 02, 2015, 12:38:31 AM I would like to add mintsy to this list but, as of yet I cant get it to work with my antminer.
Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 02, 2015, 01:51:42 AM I would like to add mintsy to this list but, as of yet I cant get it to work with my antminer. Mintsy is doing bitcoin mining? Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on July 02, 2015, 01:59:53 AM I would like to add mintsy to this list but, as of yet I cant get it to work with my antminer. Mintsy is doing bitcoin mining? Yea, I login and see they have a BTC Mining Pool currently at 1.223 PHs I never saw thier name on the blockchain but according to them the last block they found was Block #363243 Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 02, 2015, 02:06:37 AM I would like to add mintsy to this list but, as of yet I cant get it to work with my antminer. Mintsy is doing bitcoin mining? Yea, I login and see they have a BTC Mining Pool currently at 1.223 PHs I never saw thier name on the blockchain but according to them the last block they found was Block #363243 It's possible. Block #363243 sent the block reward to 1NY15MK947MLzmPUa2gL7UgyR8prLh2xfu, which had an average hashrate of ~ 2.8 Phps last week. It's labeled as "digitalbtc' (who own mintsy) at blocktrail.com and blockchain.info, but there's no proof of that offered. Edit: do you have a link for their stats page? Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: innerchaos on July 11, 2015, 05:12:44 PM I am trying each of these pools to legitimize they work... any interest in results added to this list... something like :
Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 12, 2015, 07:36:02 AM I am trying each of these pools to legitimize they work... any interest in results added to this list... something like :
Tricky. I wouldn't include anything that wasn't either provably correct or only from your own experience, or start up a thread that discusses your experiences with various pools. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: -ck on July 12, 2015, 07:49:58 AM Tricky. I wouldn't include anything that wasn't either provably correct or only from your own experience, or start up a thread that discusses your experiences with various pools. I'd go further and say just include objective information. That table is all subjective stuff.Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 12, 2015, 08:37:38 AM How about listing those pools that are churning out empty blocks & therefor not contributing to the Bitcoin Network?
We will continue do SPV mining despite the incident, and I think so will AntPool and BTC China. Another very good reason people should not mine on Chinese pools. This is EXTREMELY bad for the Bitcoin network. It would help miners make a more ethical decision about what pool to use & also help decentralize the hash power away from the bigger pools who aren't towing the line ;) Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 12, 2015, 12:06:07 PM How about listing those pools that are churning out empty blocks & therefor not contributing to the Bitcoin Network? We will continue do SPV mining despite the incident, and I think so will AntPool and BTC China. Another very good reason people should not mine on Chinese pools. This is EXTREMELY bad for the Bitcoin network. It would help miners make a more ethical decision about what pool to use & also help decentralize the hash power away from the bigger pools who aren't towing the line ;) Do you have any data on percentage of empty blocks per pool? Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 12, 2015, 12:21:48 PM I've read various figures scattered around the forum, you'd definitely have a better idea than I on how to acquire that kind of info - your expertise is a few divisions above mine..... :D ;)
Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: eleuthria on July 12, 2015, 04:42:42 PM Just going to point out that the quote above with my comment on SPV mining is not directly related to 1tx blocks. You can do 1tx blocks without SPV mining.
I do think that 1tx blocks are completely stupid and bad for network health, but SPV mining is at the malicious level of recklessness. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: p3yot33at3r on July 12, 2015, 04:47:35 PM Just going to point out that the quote above with my comment on SPV mining is not directly related to 1tx blocks. You can do 1tx blocks without SPV mining. I do think that 1tx blocks are completely stupid and bad for network health, but SPV mining is at the malicious level of recklessness. Thanks for clarifying that eleuthria - if you'd like me to add/edit the quote in any way, just let me know - it's not my intention to mislead or misquote anyone ;) Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: -ck on July 12, 2015, 10:02:43 PM How about listing those pools that are churning out empty blocks & therefor not contributing to the Bitcoin Network? We will continue do SPV mining despite the incident, and I think so will AntPool and BTC China. Another very good reason people should not mine on Chinese pools. This is EXTREMELY bad for the Bitcoin network. It would help miners make a more ethical decision about what pool to use & also help decentralize the hash power away from the bigger pools who aren't towing the line ;) Do you have any data on percentage of empty blocks per pool? Empty blocks at least someone has already done an analysis on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0 Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 12, 2015, 10:14:41 PM How about listing those pools that are churning out empty blocks & therefor not contributing to the Bitcoin Network? We will continue do SPV mining despite the incident, and I think so will AntPool and BTC China. Another very good reason people should not mine on Chinese pools. This is EXTREMELY bad for the Bitcoin network. It would help miners make a more ethical decision about what pool to use & also help decentralize the hash power away from the bigger pools who aren't towing the line ;) Do you have any data on percentage of empty blocks per pool? Empty blocks at least someone has already done an analysis on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0 I think number of 1 tx blocks should be a) per n blocks solved by entity rather than by time period to reduce variance, and b) be normalised by the size of the tx queue at the time the block was solved. b) is hard and I haven't figured out a good way to do that yet. I think I should be able to use my mempool, but how do I determine the number of tx in mempool when the block was solved? Just use the local maxima before I got the block notification? Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: eleuthria on July 12, 2015, 10:21:51 PM I think number of 1 tx blocks should be a) per n blocks solved by entity rather than by time period to reduce variance, and b) be normalised by the size of the tx queue at the time the block was solved. b) is hard and I haven't figured out a good way to do that yet. I think I should be able to use my mempool, but how do I determine the number of tx in mempool when the block was solved? Just use the local maxima before I got the block notification? I don't see much point in B. I doubt there has been a time in 2015 where a block has ever been solved with the mempool being *empty* of valid transactions that the pool would not include if it were operating without purposely making empty blocks to make up for poor optimization. Similarly, I don't see why A would matter much when it's already being expressed as a percentage of their blocks solved. The network is so big at this point that it is virtually impossible for a pool to have an empty memory pool. Pools don't push out block templates every time they see a new transaction, so the only way it could possibly happen is if the pool pushes out a block template including their entire memory pool, and a miner solves the block, sends it back to the pool, the pool verifies it, and broadcasts that block clearing their entire memory pool before a single new transaction arrives. Yes, it could happen, but the likelihood of that event happening enough to actually taint your results seems slim-to-none. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: organofcorti on July 12, 2015, 10:41:52 PM I think number of 1 tx blocks should be a) per n blocks solved by entity rather than by time period to reduce variance, and b) be normalised by the size of the tx queue at the time the block was solved. b) is hard and I haven't figured out a good way to do that yet. I think I should be able to use my mempool, but how do I determine the number of tx in mempool when the block was solved? Just use the local maxima before I got the block notification? I don't see much point in B. I doubt there has been a time in 2015 where a block has ever been solved with the mempool being *empty* of valid transactions that the pool would not include if it were operating without purposely making empty blocks to make up for poor optimization. There were times not so long ago this year when the Statoshi dashboard clearly showed dips to close to zero tx in mempool after a few very short interblock durations. the point is that creating a 1 tx block is clearly more a egregious action when there are ten thousand waiting tx than just a few. Similarly, I don't see why A would matter much when it's already being expressed as a percentage of their blocks solved. Variance. Same as the reason why I prefer to treat orphaned blocks the same way - variance should be the same for everyone which make anomalies much harder to hide, and this can only happen if you summarise thedata over similar numbers of blocks. Title: Re: Bitcoin Mining Pool List Post by: sloopy on July 15, 2015, 05:16:46 PM How about listing those pools that are churning out empty blocks & therefor not contributing to the Bitcoin Network? We will continue do SPV mining despite the incident, and I think so will AntPool and BTC China. Another very good reason people should not mine on Chinese pools. This is EXTREMELY bad for the Bitcoin network. It would help miners make a more ethical decision about what pool to use & also help decentralize the hash power away from the bigger pools who aren't towing the line ;) Do you have any data on percentage of empty blocks per pool? Empty blocks at least someone has already done an analysis on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1085800.0 I am happy to see you guys being the voices of reason with these issues. The people running Antpool and F2Pool sure aren't, and the only way they will is if we are somehow able to get more attention paid to these problems. Like the Fork of July and the issues with transactions not being processed. |